October 30, 2006
Two Men Questioned Near Scene of Deadly California Wildfire
Filed under: National — Kerry Fox @ 8:23 pm
Fox News

CABAZON, Calif. —  Investigators swooped down Monday on a home only one-quarter mile from where a deadly arson wildfire was started last week and took the two residents into custody for questioning.

The investigators, including the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department Riverside County Sheriff’s Department, the Cabazon Fire Department’) and the California Department of Forestry, entered the house around 5 p.m. ET (2 p.m. PT).

Neighbors told FOX News one of the men taken into custody and placed in the back of a sheriff’s patrol car was named “Jason,” and described him as “a skin head.”

Investigators, including the FBI, have been searching since last Thursday for the arsonists responsible for starting the deadly Esperanza wildfire, which killed four firefighters and critically injured another.

The firefighters were trapped when a wall of flames engulfed their engine while they were trying to protect a nearby home. Officials immediately declared the fire the work of arsonists, and said that the firefighters’ deaths was an act of murder.

The fire, fed by Santa Ana winds, continues to burn and has claimed nearly 50,000 acres, but fire officials said Monday they have it more than 85 percent contained.

Officials are offering $500,000 for information leading to the arrest of the arsonists.


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When I was younger the tradition was to TP the home of a girl you liked.

It used to be in most cultures that the penalty for arson was death… we need to return to that position.

ANdy

Quoted: It used to be in most cultures that the penalty for arson was death… we need to return to that position. ANdy

It maybe still for these guys.

California Penal Code Sections (excerpts)

CALIFORNIA CODES
PENAL CODE
SECTION 187-199

187.  (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a
fetus, with malice aforethought.

188.  Such malice may be express or implied.  It is express when
there is manifested a deliberate intention unlawfully to take away
the life of a fellow creature.  It is implied, when no considerable
provocation appears, or when the circumstances attending the killing
show an abandoned and malignant heart.
  When it is shown that the killing resulted from the intentional
doing of an act with express or implied malice as defined above, no
other mental state need be shown to establish the mental state of
malice aforethought.  Neither an awareness of the obligation to act
within the general body of laws regulating society nor acting despite
such awareness is included within the definition of malice.

189.  All murder which is perpetrated by means of a destructive
device or explosive, a weapon of mass destruction, knowing use of
ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, poison,
lying in wait, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate,
and premeditated killing, or which is committed in the perpetration
of, or attempt to perpetrate, arson, rape, carjacking, robbery,
burglary, mayhem, kidnapping, train wrecking, or any act punishable
under Section 206, 286, 288, 288a, or 289, or any murder which is
perpetrated by means of discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle,
intentionally at another person outside of the vehicle with the
intent to inflict death, is murder of the first degree.

190.  (a) Every person guilty of murder in the first degree shall be
punished by death, imprisonment in the state prison for life without
the possibility of parole, or imprisonment in the state prison for a
term of 25 years to life.  The penalty to be applied shall be
determined as provided in Sections 190.1, 190.2, 190.3, 190.4, and
190.5.

190.2.  (a) The penalty for a defendant who is found guilty of
murder in the first degree is death or imprisonment in the state
prison for life without the possibility of parole if one or more of
the following special circumstances has been found under Section
190.4 to be true:

(17) The murder was committed while the defendant was engaged in,
or was an accomplice in, the commission of, attempted commission of,
or the immediate flight after committing, or attempting to commit,
the following felonies:

(H) Arson in violation of subdivision (b) of Section 451.

451. A person is guilty of arson when he or she willfully and
maliciously sets fire to or burns or causes to be burned or who aids,
counsels, or procures the burning of, any structure, forest land, or
property.
  (a) Arson that causes great bodily injury is a felony punishable
by imprisonment in the state prison for five, seven, or nine years.
  (b) Arson that causes an inhabited structure or inhabited property
to burn is a felony punishable by imprisonment in the state prison
for three, five, or eight years.

Although I expect that Life without Parole is more likely in their future if they get caught.

But as a note, in CA a lot of older juvenile offenders or younger adult offenders can volunteer to be fire fighters on trail crews.  In some cases they get squared away, in some they don't.  Frankly I don't think I'ld want to end up in Folsom or San Quentin with a bunch of trail crew graduates.  Especially somebody who may have fought on the firelines with one of the firefighters.  If anything, there is a lot of respect generated between the firefighters and the trail crews, that kind of band of brothers relationship.

"I hate Esparanza Nazis"

Fifth firefighter dies; "person of interest" arrested in California wildfire
By Associated Press
October 31, 2006

BEAUMONT, Calif. (AP) - Authorities arrested a man Tuesday who is suspected of intentionally starting two wildfires this summer and is considered a person of interest in a blaze started last week that killed five firefighters.

Raymond Lee Oyler, 37, of Beaumont was arrested on two counts of arson related to wildfires in June, the Riverside County Sheriff's Department said in a statement. Oyler was not named as a suspect in the wildfire that started last week and roared across more than 60 square miles.

Four U.S. Forest Service firefighters died shortly after the blaze began Thursday when flames overran them as they tried to protect homes in the area. A fifth firefighter died Tuesday evening.

www.komotv.com/news/4536326.html

 i finally agree with andy on something!  this shithead needs to meet his maker like real soon.

Quoted:  i finally agree with andy on something!  this shithead needs to meet his maker like real slowly soon.

fixed it.

Good news the fire is just about fully put away finally.

Quoted: "I hate Esparanza Nazis"

were they nazi lowriders?

www.towncrier.com/pages/stories/story8.html

From the Aug. 31, 2006 issue of the Town Crier


Forest Service crew
delivers baby boy



By J.P. Crumrine
Assistant Editor

On Sunday in the midst of the musical pandemonium at the Jazz in the Pines, another bit of pandemonium occurred within a mile of the Forest Service’s Alandale Guard Station.
 
Engine 57’s crew, led by Capt. Mark Loutzenhiser, delivered a baby. “This was first time I know of anything like this,” he said.
 
Jody and Claudia Posey of Idyllwild left home to deliver their baby at a midwife’s in Indio. They barely got beyond Alandale. Jody flagged down a car and asked the driver to alert the Idyllwild Fire Department, according to Claudia.
 
Fortunately, he stopped at the first fire station, Alandale, and crew 57 responded. With two paramedics on his crew, Loutzenhiser felt comfortable dealing with the emergency, so he began directing traffic while Jesse MacLean and Jason McKay helped the mother who was already having contractions.
 
According to Loutzenhiser, McKay delivered the baby boy or at least was the official catcher.
 
“It was the most painfree delivery I’ve had,” Claudia said. Brodyn Posey is her third child.
 
Eventually, an ambulance arrived and took the mother and child to a hospital, but both are well and at home now.

Editor's note: All of the Alandale firefighters mentioned in this story died in the Esperanza Fire Thursday, Oct. 26.