I hate the blue states.

I would be willing to forgive all y'all Yankees, if you would just join with us and push them blue states into the sea!

Offer void where prohibited by law.

Eric The(Well?)Hun

Quoted: So does anyone see a way to heal and come together as a Nation?   I don't

I do.
The problem can be summarized in one word: diversity.
The comment about 'African American from France' during the Olympics signifies the problem.  Every group has to have their recognition, to the point where we are no longer Americans, but rather part of some ethnic group.
The other half of that is the idea that we are 'citizens of the world', instead of American citizens.  We mustn't think of what is good for America, but what is good for the rest of the world.
In the respect that I have just described the basic Democrat's concept of how things should be, there is no way to heal and come together as a nation.
Did I just contradict myself?  Yes, and no.  Figure THAT out.

I'm afraid "The Cold War" will someday be a "Hot War" and there's no stopping it.  Hopefully it will not be in our liftime but won't count on it.

Family values and self help have been the foundation of the freedom once known in this country.  Sadly these days I see more of it in our newest immagrants than I do in those who have been here for centuries.  More and more of our citizens believe the government owes them a living even though they have not paid a dime of the cost.  Why not?  A broken family on welfare lives better than a traditional family with both the mother and father working at minimum wage.  Right now a broken family on welfare has better medical coverage than most working families with incomes over $100,000 a year.  

The same left that fights for this government handout also clammours for world solidarity however we as a nation are at a dissadvantage since our lack of family structure is what our world competition in third world countries have.  The middle class in America is dying.  The result will be the haves and the have nots.

Ultimately there will be tyrany and economic collapse.  We are seeing it now.  As China emerges as the worlds largest economic power, we will continue to decline.  Nothing in life is free and the entitlement bill has to be paid at some point.  When this happens the same ones leading us down this path will clammor for what wealth is left by taking from the rich and giving to the poor. Sound familliar?

The socialistic path we are on is leaning communistic.  Unlike the countries where communism flourished but failed, the US does not have a history of generations of  people accustomed to tryany but the opposite.  Those with will not tolerate those without taking what is there's while those without feel entitled to what those with have.  

It doesn't take a rocket scientest to see that what we now see as polarization may someday be confrontation.

Tj

They got the colors mixed up.

PRIOR to the 2000 election, historically speaking, red represented the Democrats and blue represented the Republicans when it came to electoral vote maps.  

These days, it would make more sense than ever to assign red to the dems because red is the
color of communists and socialists, and what are liberal democrats but socialists wanting to be full-blown commies?

Me,  I have no affection for liberals.   I also have none for conservatives, though I am nominally aligned with the more conservative Republican party.

My affection is reserves exclusively for FREEDOM.   My allies are those who would protect all my remaining freedoms and my best friends are those who wish to restore freedoms that have been stolen from me by the actions of Congress, our judicial system, and any other entity or organization.

I believe that MOST of the important laws that have been enacted since the early 1900s are unnecessary and constitute infringements on my Constitutionally guaranteed rights,  and my freedom of self determination.


Dems vs. Reps:    It boils down to what you believe.   If you believe that the government is there to give you what you want, even if it has to be taken from other people,  or hold your hand, blow your nose, wipe your ass, and keep you safe,  you're probably a Democrat.    You believe that it's quite all right for the government to tax everybody heavily and use the funds to pay for something that YOU want, but of course you don't believe that it's fair to you to pay taxes at the same rate as those other people.    You believe there's something wrong with being rich,   and you want rich people to be punished for it by means of high taxes.   Of course, this doesn't apply to YOU no matter what you may be making.

If you believe that the purpose of government  is to perform certain important tasks that need lots of manpower and materials (like defending this country) but not to intrude upon the private lives of its citizens more than is absolutely necessary,  you're probably a Republican.  You believe that the government's
role is to keep very large services (like the air transportation system,  the roads,  the military, etc) working smoothly.   And you want the government to be very responsible and accountable for every tax dollar they spend.  It's your money, afer all.

CJ

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Goatboy has specifically requested NO HOTLINKS TO DU So, I'll respect that. Me too. I'm just curious if anyone other than GB knows the reason for the request. No one else needs to. It's his board. Period. Hasn't this been beaten to death already?

Yes--the answers are the same as they were last week when this was beaten to death because Red_Beard "had nothing better to do than argue."  I do, so reread last week's session:  www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=281328&page=2

Quoted: I am shocked at how personal and nasty people are getting in this election. I have never seen the country so divided, not even during Viet Nam did people literally want to KILL each other over a variance in politics. I have seen people on both sides actually wish DEATH upon fellow Americans for holding the opposite view. This is utterly un-American. We are ALL Americans first and foremost, and we have the absolute right to whatever opinions we may choose to hold. I suppose you all are cheering that perhaps half of the folks killed on 9/11 were Democrats? Shame on both sides for being so hateful over something as controlled and bought-off as politics. Americans need to stand together, not be divided by something as stupid as partisan politics. Hell, both parties are bought and paid for by the corporations anyway.

How can the two opposing views POSSIBLY be reconciled?  Example:
The left says that nothing in the Constitution wouild prevent complete disarmament of the general citizenry, because the 2nd Amendment only prohibits states from disarming their National Guard units.
How can YOU honestly just 'agree to disagree' with that?  Do you think the left will agree to disagree, or do you think that they really do have complete civilian disarmament in mind?
That's just one issue.  The problems are seen on both sides as so fundamental to our way of life that neither side can compromise or back off from their beliefs.

They're breeding faster than we are.

that's why minguns were...uh...nevermind! j/k!!!

i don't think there will be a (hot) civil war. we just disagree and we'll continue to disagree and let the process sort things out. there will be no revolution and it will not be televised.