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Posted: 2/13/2017 12:49:10 AM EDT
No more Muslim outreach for NASA?
DONALD Trump wants to put astronauts back on the moon by 2020 and claim it for America, according to a leaked report. The new President’s administration also plans to privatise space travel as it believes it is a ‘trillion-dollar a year’ business opportunity. Documents reveal Trump’s business team is looking to put ‘private’ astronauts back on the moon within three years. It also wants to kick-start a programme developing private space stations, according to internal documents obtained by Politico. “NASA’s new strategy will prioritise economic growth and the organic creation of new industries and private sector jobs over ‘exploration’,” reads the NASA action plan. “Done correctly, this could create a trillion-dollar per year space economy, dominated by America.” “This may be the biggest and most public privatisation effort America has ever conducted,” says the report’s summary. According to the documents, Trump’s team wants to “see private American astronauts, on private space ships, circling the Moon by 2020; and private lunar landers staking out de facto ‘property rights’ for America on the Moon, by 2020 as well.” However, this approach would seem to violate the United Nations Outer Space Treaty – a set of principles all nations have followed since the 1960s. Trump said throughout his Presidential campaign that NASA and space exploration are essential to his vision of America’s future. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2831486/donald-trump-nasa-moon/ |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 12:50:59 AM EDT
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MMGA !!
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Posted: 2/13/2017 12:52:06 AM EDT
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I'd settle for being able to get to the ISS without Russia's help by 2020.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 12:55:53 AM EDT
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I'll be good with that tax break if we can skip the moon thing.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 12:58:03 AM EDT
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That's sexist.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 12:59:26 AM EDT
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Get aboard the Trump Train or get ran over!
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:00:05 AM EDT
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3 years....to get back to the moon?! Is he smoking crack?
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:09:59 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:12:18 AM EDT
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Nothing in the Outer Space Treaty forbids private development of the moon or even private claims of ownership.
It forbids states from making claims of ownership based on occupation. See all the flags on Antarctica in anticipation of the coming international settlement over who gets what on that continent for why that is a thing in the OST. The only thing keeping people from going there now is that it's an uninhabitable wasteland with nothing anyone wants. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:14:43 AM EDT
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3 years....to get back to the moon?! Is he smoking crack? They went to the moon using slide rules and chalkboards, don't tell me it can't be done. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:25:36 AM EDT
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3 years....to get back to the moon?! Is he smoking crack? Lol We went to the moon using early 1960s technology. You're telling me it's impossible to do it within 3 years with today's tech? |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:27:58 AM EDT
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Mars mo'betta
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:28:52 AM EDT
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Lol We went to the moon using early 1960s technology. You're telling me it's impossible to do it within 3 years with today's tech? No but it is impossible with today's government purchasing requirement nightmare. It would take 3 years to get the paperclips approved for bidding. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:29:01 AM EDT
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3 years....to get back to the moon?! Is he smoking crack? http://www.boeing.com/space/space-launch-system/ We can do it |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:29:35 AM EDT
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A permanent base would be a very expensive venture. I hope that we do it.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:30:14 AM EDT
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MMGA !! 
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:30:28 AM EDT
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Talk about the high ground...
I wonder if there is any tungsten or similar minerals on the moon? Get up there and start making Tungsten Rods... |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:35:16 AM EDT
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Lol We went to the moon using early 1960s technology. You're telling me it's impossible to do it within 3 years with today's tech? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3 years....to get back to the moon?! Is he smoking crack? Lol We went to the moon using early 1960s technology. You're telling me it's impossible to do it within 3 years with today's tech? We had funding and, best of all, lack of bureaucratic interference. Just look at the F-35 project and how it has turned out. I seriously doubt we could replicate a program the size of Apollo in less than 6 years and the funding....where is it going to come from? I want to believe.... |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:38:44 AM EDT
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Does anybody remember that list of things Trump won't do ending with "You are here?" I seem to remember us going to the moon or mars to be on that list.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:44:30 AM EDT
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Somebody should tell Trump that our flag is already on it.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:44:44 AM EDT
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No more Muslim outreach for NASA?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/nintchdbpict000294858685.jpg?strip=all&w=960 DONALD Trump wants to put astronauts back on the moon by 2020 and claim it for America, according to a leaked report. The new President’s administration also plans to privatise space travel as it believes it is a ‘trillion-dollar a year’ business opportunity. Documents reveal Trump’s business team is looking to put ‘private’ astronauts back on the moon within three years. It also wants to kick-start a programme developing private space stations, according to internal documents obtained by Politico. “NASA’s new strategy will prioritise economic growth and the organic creation of new industries and private sector jobs over ‘exploration’,” reads the NASA action plan. “Done correctly, this could create a trillion-dollar per year space economy, dominated by America.” “This may be the biggest and most public privatisation effort America has ever conducted,” says the report’s summary. According to the documents, Trump’s team wants to “see private American astronauts, on private space ships, circling the Moon by 2020; and private lunar landers staking out de facto ‘property rights’ for America on the Moon, by 2020 as well.” However, this approach would seem to violate the United Nations Outer Space Treaty – a set of principles all nations have followed since the 1960s. Trump said throughout his Presidential campaign that NASA and space exploration are essential to his vision of America’s future. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2831486/donald-trump-nasa-moon/ Horseshit political Derp from the Haters... |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:47:59 AM EDT
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So many haters on here....guess they don't want to MAGA
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:48:27 AM EDT
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Somebody should tell Trump that our flag is already on it. That flag is white now. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:49:30 AM EDT
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Lol We went to the moon using early 1960s technology. You're telling me it's impossible to do it within 3 years with today's tech? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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3 years....to get back to the moon?! Is he smoking crack? Lol We went to the moon using early 1960s technology. You're telling me it's impossible to do it within 3 years with today's tech? Agreed. If we wanted to, we could easily make it. It just requires will and money. Probably, we'd lose a few people, but it could absolutely be done. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:49:56 AM EDT
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That flag is white now. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Somebody should tell Trump that our flag is already on it. That flag is white now. That's racist. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:50:11 AM EDT
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What we need to do is develop Fast Than Light capability that way we can find the 12 colonies of Kobal and claim them for the USA. I'm sure after 150,000 years the radiation from the Cylon attacks has cooled down enough to make them habitable.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:53:28 AM EDT
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So many haters on here....guess they don't want to MAGA Of course we want to MAGA, but let's be realistic. Right now we can't even put an Astronaut into orbit without the Rooskies. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:56:58 AM EDT
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Good. We should have had a Moon base a long time ago.
Having a Moon base would make Mars a lot more feasible. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 1:59:58 AM EDT
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Trump is expanding the brand.
MTSSGA Making the solar system greater again It's gonna be out of this world! |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:02:37 AM EDT
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No but it is impossible with today's government purchasing requirement nightmare. It would take 3 years to get the paperclips approved for bidding. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol We went to the moon using early 1960s technology. You're telling me it's impossible to do it within 3 years with today's tech? No but it is impossible with today's government purchasing requirement nightmare. It would take 3 years to get the paperclips approved for bidding. The way I read it, he wants to make it easier for private companies to do it. Not gov organizations (although NASA is invaluable in many other ways). There are multiple technologies that are about to start changing the world if we can hold on just a little longer. Private space exploration, unmanned systems (encompassing driverless cars, industrial drones, automated deliveries and shipping, etc), 3D printing and several more. If anybody can figure out how to make a crapton of money off of space and the exploration and exploitation thereof, it's private American industry. Riches are the great motivator. And once someone starts it, the floodgates will open. We will see the first trillionaire in our lifetimes. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:03:29 AM EDT
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Three years? Absolutely can be done especially with today's tech.
If it's as simple as landing there, planting another flag and taking off for Earth. Probably pushing 5 years if we were going to establish a permanent moonbase. We have the money, know-how, and technology to pull it ALL off. We just don't have the motivation to do so. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:04:19 AM EDT
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So many haters on here....guess they don't want to MAGA You mean MMGA? (Make the Moon Great Again) Yup don't support that here. Waste of money, take all that money whatever it is and put it towards a tax refund, the border wall, homelessness, paying NFA tax stamps for us, hiring more ICE agents, or put it toward bombing ISIS more. Really almost anything is better. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:05:22 AM EDT
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Nothing in the Outer Space Treaty forbids private development of the moon or even private claims of ownership. It forbids states from making claims of ownership based on occupation. See all the flags on Antarctica in anticipation of the coming international settlement over who gets what on that continent for why that is a thing in the OST. The only thing keeping people from going there now is that it's an uninhabitable wasteland with nothing anyone wants. Cue the "That's where you're wrong, kiddo" meme. The moon is the best possible source of Helium-3 right now. On earth, is it prohibitively expensive to synthesize. Once we figure out a cost-effective means of collecting it on the moon and shipping it back to earth, that's going to provide a major leap in fuel and medical technology, among other things. Secondly, we don't definitively know what's on the moon. We've never done proper geological surveys. There could be a literal gold mine of rare minerals under Luna's surface. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:05:50 AM EDT
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The way I read it, he wants to make it easier for private companies to do it. Not gov organizations (although NASA is invaluable in many other ways). The Outer Space Treaty? Really? Nobody takes the fucking UN seriously. What are they going to do? Issue a firm statement of being mad 
Give SpaceX the money to get to the moon and they'll make it happen. No doubt. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:05:55 AM EDT
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You mean MMGA? (Make the Moon Great Again) Yup don't support that here. Waste of money, take all that money whatever it is and put it towards a tax refund, the border war, homelessness, paying NFA tax stamps for us, hiring more ICE agents, or put it toward bombing ISIS more. Really almost anything is better. If you read the article Trump is pushing hard to privatize space travel. That means less tax money. I think space travel and advancing the human race is pretty cool. Guess I'm a minority on here. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:08:41 AM EDT
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But, there is very little holding private companies back. The Outer Space Treaty? Really? Nobody takes the fucking UN seriously. What are they going to do? Issue a firm statement of being mad
Give SpaceX the money to get to the moon and they'll make it happen. No doubt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way I read it, he wants to make it easier for private companies to do it. Not gov organizations (although NASA is invaluable in many other ways). The Outer Space Treaty? Really? Nobody takes the fucking UN seriously. What are they going to do? Issue a firm statement of being mad
Give SpaceX the money to get to the moon and they'll make it happen. No doubt. That was my point  With NASA in a supporting role and actually backing private space ventures, we'll move forward REALLY quickly.
Hell of a lot more effective than Muslim outreach IMHO
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:08:47 AM EDT
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Some cool stuff will start flying soonish, but we ain't putting men on the moon by 2020. I'd bet on it.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:09:35 AM EDT
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Go back? We haven't been there yet...
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:12:30 AM EDT
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This is part of Trumps plan to continuously scare the hell out of his opposition. Keep it up Don.
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:18:01 AM EDT
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3 years....to get back to the moon?! Is he smoking crack? |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:22:24 AM EDT
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The F-1b says "don't be a bitch"
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:25:13 AM EDT
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Mars mo'betta 2025. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:27:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:29:52 AM EDT
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Some cool stuff will start flying soonish, but we ain't putting men on the moon by 2020. I'd bet on it. Saying he's going to put people on the moon by 2020 sounds crazy because it's OMG only three years away! http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/12/071211-nasa-moon.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(spacecraft) Prepping to put people people back on the moon by 2020 has been the plan for YEARS. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 2:53:35 AM EDT
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That flag is white now. That just means it's surrendered to MAGA! 
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Posted: 2/13/2017 3:22:10 AM EDT
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That just means it's surrendered to MAGA! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That flag is white now. That just means it's surrendered to MAGA! Quoted for amusement. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 3:37:23 AM EDT
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What we need to do is develop Fast Than Light capability that way we can find the 12 colonies of Kobal and claim them for the USA. I'm sure after 150,000 years the radiation from the Cylon attacks has cooled down enough to make them habitable. All this has happened before, and it will all happen again. In other news... Does anyone else have this weird song stuck in their heads for some reason? There must be some kind of way out of here... |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 3:46:20 AM EDT
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I'd love to see us establish property right precedent for extraterrestrial resources. This will be a big deal towards development of space. Landing on the moon would be a huge effort by 2020. Not a technical impossibility but it'd require a total change in project management policy
Let's see it happen |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 5:16:10 AM EDT
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"Leaked report"
thesun.uk I doubt it. FAKE NEWS. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 6:12:48 AM EDT
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No but it is impossible with today's government purchasing requirement nightmare. It would take 3 years to get the paperclips approved for bidding. That's kinda the point, indirectly. Trump's been portrayed by many as a "big government" guy, but I think, above that, he's all about efficiency. I don't think he wants government to be big so much as be efficient. And the first step towards improving efficiency is to start identifying the bottlenecks. Great Things aren't achieved by following the path of least resistance and modifying your goal to match the end result. They're achieved by setting the goal first, then removing the obstacles to achieving it. Having built the entire Revell Saturn V rocket, Command Module and LEM plastic model series as a young lad, I'm something of an authority on space exploration . It probably is an underutilized resource that some bright folks will be making lots of money from at some point. Whether Trump really said that, or if he did, whether this is really the time to get neck-deep back into it, I dunno. If nothing else, it could just be his way of introducing the public first-hand to another area of government rife with waste and mismanagement, and subtly guiding them towards reaching the conclusion that here indeed is another area that will be needing attention.
Trump's list of accomplishments isn't going to reflect the great things he's done. It's going to reflect those great things he convinced the public to do. |
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Posted: 2/13/2017 6:14:04 AM EDT
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Astronauts are fags. Aquanauts are cool. Seriously, who gives a shit about the moon.
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