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Posted: 6/5/2014 6:16:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/19/2014 1:11:49 AM EDT by RockHard13F]
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Gents,

Looks like I am pretty much sold on a 2014 Tacoma access cab. I won't be able to actually pick it up for a few months yet, but I figure I might go ahead and have some stuff added to it so it is ready to go when I pick it up. So far I am looking at:

This winch: http://www.amazon.com/WARN-28500-XD9000-9000-lb-Winch/dp/B0002Z9SU6/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1403168476&sr=1-1&keywords=Warn+XD9000

This bumper: http://store.arbusa.com/ARB-Deluxe-Bar-Toyota-Tacoma-2012-13-3423140-P22769.aspx

And this lift: http://store.arbusa.com/2-Inch-05-On-Tacoma-Heavy-Sport-Kit-OMETAC05HKS-P20932.aspx

Thoughts? Suggestions as far as the winch bit goes? I thought I might want to go up to a 10k pound winch, but the 9k pounder should give me a thousand pounds of wiggle room all loaded up as it is...

Also, what size tires can I put on a Tacoma with a 2 inch lift without them rubbing?

Cheers,

Ben


OP:

I would like to get a midsize pickup. It should get as good or better gas efficiency (real world, not advertised) than the 2010 wrangler I sold before coming out here (about 19 MPG combined). I want an automatic transmission, 4x4, and it should be reasonably capable off road (though that isn't the primary intended use). I want it under $30k. I don't want electric windows, doors, etc. It cannot be union made.

So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?

Also, a V6 is fine for pulling a small boat, right? And could I get away with towing a small horse trailer (2 horses) later on with a V6, or would I then need a V8? I've always had SUVs...school me on pickups.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:18:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2014 6:18:25 AM EDT by TacticalHeater]
In before the wave of taco recommendations...
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:19:16 AM EDT
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yup
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:28:09 AM EDT
I've been towing a 19 ft bass boat (about 3,500 lbs) with a 4-cyl 2.7L Taco for over 10 years and it does great. V6 on the newer bigger trucks should be more than fine for a small boat. Get one with a Class III hitch bar or put one on yourself.

Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:29:52 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
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So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?

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No.


(just to clarify, no other suggestions.)
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:36:02 AM EDT
V6 Tacoma, 4x4 and good gas mileage in the same thread? El Oh El...

My 01 F250 crew cab 4x4 7.3 diesel is 1 mpg off from my sons 07 2wd Tacoma 4 door. 15 vs. 16mpg
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:36:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2014 6:43:21 AM EDT by TechOps]
Chevy is coming out with a new duramax turbo diesel version of the Colorado this fall/early 2015.
I'm saving for one myself.

"Joining the engine lineup in 2015: the highly anticipated 2.8L Duramax® Turbo-Diesel. No other current North American competitor in this class offers a turbo-diesel."

Chevy's Site
Review of Duramax Diesel

And I'd say it's quite good looking for a midsize truck.


If you prefer GMC they should have a sister version of the truck also with diesel option.
GMC

Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:42:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
I would like to get a midsize pickup. It should get as good or better gas efficiency (real world, not advertised) than the 2010 wrangler I sold before coming out here (about 19 MPG combined). I want an automatic transmission, 4x4, and it should be reasonably capable off road (though that isn't the primary intended use). I want it under $30k. I don't want electric windows, doors, etc. It cannot be union made.

So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?

Also, a V6 is fine for pulling a small boat, right? And could I get away with towing a small horse trailer (2 horses) later on with a V6, or would I then need a V8? I've always had SUVs...school me on pickups.
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If it's flat where you live then maybe. If there are hills then no, not unless you want to replace transmissions and rearends.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:44:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TechOps:
Chevy is coming out with a new duramax turbo diesel version of the Colorado this fall/early 2015.
I'm saving for one myself.

"Joining the engine lineup in 2015: the highly anticipated 2.8L Duramax® Turbo-Diesel. No other current North American competitor in this class offers a turbo-diesel."

Chevy's Site
Review of Duramax Diesel

And I'd say it's quite good looking for a midsize truck.
http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2015/12V43/12V43__4Z7/G7P_HHI_R28gmds6.jpg&v=deg01&std=true&country=US

If you prefer GMC they should have a sister version of the truck also with diesel option.
GMC

https://www.gmc.com/content/dam/GMC/global/master/nscwebsite/en/home/Vehicles/Future_Vehicles/2015_Canyon/Model_Overview/Colorizer/Exterior3601/Quicksilver_Metallic/01_perspective_img_1.jpg
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He said non-union made.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:45:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TechOps:
Chevy is coming out with a new duramax turbo diesel version of the Colorado this fall/early 2015.
I'm saving for one myself.

"Joining the engine lineup in 2015: the highly anticipated 2.8L Duramax® Turbo-Diesel. No other current North American competitor in this class offers a turbo-diesel."

Chevy's Site
Review of Duramax Diesel

And I'd say it's quite good looking for a midsize truck.
http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2015/12V43/12V43__4Z7/G7P_HHI_R28gmds6.jpg&v=deg01&std=true&country=US

If you prefer GMC they should have a sister version of the truck also with diesel option.
GMC

https://www.gmc.com/content/dam/GMC/global/master/nscwebsite/en/home/Vehicles/Future_Vehicles/2015_Canyon/Model_Overview/Colorizer/Exterior3601/Quicksilver_Metallic/01_perspective_img_1.jpg
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I'm not sold on how the thing looks but that diesel has me interested. I can always change how the front looks with a ranch hand or something.



OP, can't go wrong with the Tacoma. I'd choose it over any of the midsize trucks out there now. I've owned a 2006 Colorado. Friend had an 08 Taco. Taco > Colorado in every category except cost.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:47:57 AM EDT
Look for the union label.

Hillary could use your campaign money...
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:49:39 AM EDT
A truck that gets better than 19mpg? They quit making those years ago...
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:52:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TechOps:
Chevy is coming out with a new duramax turbo diesel version of the Colorado this fall/early 2015.
I'm saving for one myself.

"Joining the engine lineup in 2015: the highly anticipated 2.8L Duramax® Turbo-Diesel. No other current North American competitor in this class offers a turbo-diesel."

Chevy's Site
Review of Duramax Diesel

And I'd say it's quite good looking for a midsize truck.
http://cgi.chevrolet.com/mmgprod-us/dynres/prove/image.gen?i=2015/12V43/12V43__4Z7/G7P_HHI_R28gmds6.jpg&v=deg01&std=true&country=US

If you prefer GMC they should have a sister version of the truck also with diesel option.
GMC


Wow, those body lines down the side scream Toyota.

https://www.gmc.com/content/dam/GMC/global/master/nscwebsite/en/home/Vehicles/Future_Vehicles/2015_Canyon/Model_Overview/Colorizer/Exterior3601/Quicksilver_Metallic/01_perspective_img_1.jpg
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Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:53:19 AM EDT
Tacoma sounds like a good fit, but can you get a 4wd double cab for less than $30k?
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:59:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
A truck that gets better than 19mpg? They quit making those years ago...
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My Silverado 1500 2wd gets better than that on the hwy. Average is just under 17mpg.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 6:59:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MTUSA:
Look for the union label.

Hillary could use your campaign money...
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AlGore's lullaby as a baby.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 7:14:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By VBC:
I've been towing a 19 ft bass boat (about 3,500 lbs) with a 4-cyl 2.7L Taco for over 10 years and it does great. V6 on the newer bigger trucks should be more than fine for a small boat. Get one with a Class III hitch bar or put one on yourself.
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Years ago I towed a Rhodes 19 sailboat with an MGB.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 7:34:34 AM EDT
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My Silverado 1500 2wd gets better than that on the hwy. Average is just under 17mpg.
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Originally Posted By hooligan223:
Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
A truck that gets better than 19mpg? They quit making those years ago...


My Silverado 1500 2wd gets better than that on the hwy. Average is just under 17mpg.


my 2012 Ram 4x4 crew cab got 21-22mpg
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 8:00:04 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?
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No.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 8:09:46 AM EDT
Unless it's got turbos hanging off of it, a V6 is always shit for towing.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 8:11:33 AM EDT
You guys do realize that most of the electricity in this country is connected to union labor right? How many of you are running outside to flip your disconnects?

To answer the OP, you've narrowed it down in the first post. Taco
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 8:11:50 AM EDT
[b] So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?

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I was a Ford truck guy for 30 years. I looked at them from every angle. I just could...not...do it...Sayonara, Henry...

Beware of those Tacomas. Its like joining a cult or something...

Link Posted: 6/5/2014 8:13:42 AM EDT
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My Silverado 1500 2wd gets better than that on the hwy. Average is just under 17mpg.
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Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
A truck that gets better than 19mpg? They quit making those years ago...


My Silverado 1500 2wd gets better than that on the hwy. Average is just under 17mpg.


I got 21.5mpg on a 120-mile highway trip last week in my Ecoboost. 17 average overall for the past 2,000 miles.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 8:19:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By chadwimc:


I was a Ford truck guy for 30 years. I looked at them from every angle. I just could...not...do it...Sayonara, Henry...

Beware of those Tacomas. Its like joining a cult or something...

<a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/user/chadwimc/media/truck13_zps814d744e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z64/chadwimc/truck13_zps814d744e.jpg</a>
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Originally Posted By chadwimc:
[b] So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?

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I was a Ford truck guy for 30 years. I looked at them from every angle. I just could...not...do it...Sayonara, Henry...

Beware of those Tacomas. Its like joining a cult or something...

<a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/user/chadwimc/media/truck13_zps814d744e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z64/chadwimc/truck13_zps814d744e.jpg</a>

You may or may not be from Ohio, but I've seen a truck that was exactly the same (roof rack, color, top) drive down through my town a few weeks ago. I actually looked for a bolt face sticker..
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 8:20:53 AM EDT
Check the Ram 1500 with the 3.0 liter ecodiesel. 20/28 mpg
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 8:53:32 AM EDT
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You may or may not be from Ohio, but I've seen a truck that was exactly the same (roof rack, color, top) drive down through my town a few weeks ago. I actually looked for a bolt face sticker..
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Originally Posted By superbowtie:
Originally Posted By chadwimc:
[b] So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?

.


I was a Ford truck guy for 30 years. I looked at them from every angle. I just could...not...do it...Sayonara, Henry...

Beware of those Tacomas. Its like joining a cult or something...

<a href="http://s192.photobucket.com/user/chadwimc/media/truck13_zps814d744e.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z64/chadwimc/truck13_zps814d744e.jpg</a>

You may or may not be from Ohio, but I've seen a truck that was exactly the same (roof rack, color, top) drive down through my town a few weeks ago. I actually looked for a bolt face sticker..

Unless it was day 1, a few weeks ago, this thing was still on a car hauler...It had two miles on it when I test drove it...
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 9:07:08 AM EDT
midsize pickup, you an get either a Taco or Frontier. Is there anything else?

Beware the Taco Kool-aid, I was tricked into drinking it, and its really is just kool-aid. Its a decent truck, but does nothing well
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In before the wave of taco recommendations...
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Hi-Lux?


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My 2011 F150 with a 5.0 gets 20 mpg on the highway and I carry a lot of extra stuff in it.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 9:37:43 AM EDT
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My 2011 F150 with a 5.0 gets 20 mpg on the highway and I carry a lot of extra stuff in it.
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Originally Posted By frankiebagadonuts:
A truck that gets better than 19mpg? They quit making those years ago...

My 2011 F150 with a 5.0 gets 20 mpg on the highway and I carry a lot of extra stuff in it.
Several of my customers get 20+ with theirs as well.
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If you go with a base model, it's REALLY close, but you should be able to. They are tough to find, however.
Link Posted: 6/5/2014 11:26:16 AM EDT
You will want a true 1/2 ton for a 2 horse trailer. Without a doubt.

You will also want a v8 for smoother shifting under a load with a live stock trailer behind you.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 1:10:31 AM EDT
Update in OP. Looking for lift and bumper/winch recommendations for a 2014 Tacoma.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 1:16:53 AM EDT
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Beware the Taco Kool-aid, I was tricked into drinking it, and its really is just kool-aid. Its a decent truck, but does nothing well
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yeah, i made that mistake too. my 4cylinder auto got worse mileage than the v8 mustang it replaced.
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Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Update in OP. Looking for lift and bumper/winch recommendations for a 2014 Tacoma.
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If you're not planning to off-road ... that's a lot of excess weight to hang off the front end just to look cool.

That said... Shrockworks.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 1:54:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Edit:

Gents,

Looks like I am pretty much sold on a 2014 Tacoma access cab. I won't be able to actually pick it up for a few months yet, but I figure I might go ahead and have some stuff added to it so it is ready to go when I pick it up. So far I am looking at:

This winch: http://www.amazon.com/WARN-28500-XD9000-9000-lb-Winch/dp/B0002Z9SU6/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1403168476&sr=1-1&keywords=Warn+XD9000

This bumper: http://store.arbusa.com/ARB-Deluxe-Bar-Toyota-Tacoma-2012-13-3423140-P22769.aspx

And this lift: http://store.arbusa.com/2-Inch-05-On-Tacoma-Heavy-Sport-Kit-OMETAC05HKS-P20932.aspx

Thoughts? Suggestions as far as the winch bit goes? I thought I might want to go up to a 10k pound winch, but the 9k pounder should give me a thousand pounds of wiggle room all loaded up as it is...

Also, what size tires can I put on a Tacoma with a 2 inch lift without them rubbing?

Cheers,

Ben


OP:

I would like to get a midsize pickup. It should get as good or better gas efficiency (real world, not advertised) than the 2010 wrangler I sold before coming out here (about 19 MPG combined). I want an automatic transmission, 4x4, and it should be reasonably capable off road (though that isn't the primary intended use). I want it under $30k. I don't want electric windows, doors, etc. It cannot be union made.

So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?

Also, a V6 is fine for pulling a small boat, right? And could I get away with towing a small horse trailer (2 horses) later on with a V6, or would I then need a V8? I've always had SUVs...school me on pickups.
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Maybe you should use it for a while to see what you really need. Unless of course you are just trying to impress your friends then you should get all that stuff and the biggest tires your credit card can afford.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
In before the wave of taco recommendations...

yup
Yup...... I'll wager we'll hear from other Taco owners with
recommendation for shotties and rotties to transport in the Taco.
'
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 2:44:02 AM EDT
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I'd skip the ARB. They are notoriously the heaviest of the bumpers. Look at offerings from all-pro, metal tech, demello off road or many others. That extra weight up front is going to require either stiffer springs and new shocks or a cool over set up to combat the droop that's gonna happen. For the suspension id look at old man emu, bilstein or icon.
This from an FJ owner.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 5:25:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/19/2014 5:27:36 AM EDT by Atomic_Ferret]
Congrats on the tacoma, welcome to a disease far more expensive the BRD.
I just bought a 2010 tacoma to replace my 96 taco.
Go to tacomaworld, read up. It is kind of the arfcom for tacoma owners.

And we are amongst them.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 6:05:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By zercool:


If you're not planning to off-road ... that's a lot of excess weight to hang off the front end just to look cool.

That said... Shrockworks.
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Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Update in OP. Looking for lift and bumper/winch recommendations for a 2014 Tacoma.


If you're not planning to off-road ... that's a lot of excess weight to hang off the front end just to look cool.

That said... Shrockworks.

I have successfully destroyed a 1998 Land Rover Discovery and a 2010 Jeep Wrangler off roading the shit out of them...I'll see if the Taco fares better.
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Originally Posted By zercool:


If you're not planning to off-road ... that's a lot of excess weight to hang off the front end just to look cool.

That said... Shrockworks.
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Originally Posted By zercool:
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Update in OP. Looking for lift and bumper/winch recommendations for a 2014 Tacoma.


If you're not planning to off-road ... that's a lot of excess weight to hang off the front end just to look cool.

That said... Shrockworks.
And if you want even lighter go with Demello Offroad.



http://www.demello-offroad.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=226
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 6:32:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By RockHard13F:
Edit:

Gents,

Looks like I am pretty much sold on a 2014 Tacoma access cab. I won't be able to actually pick it up for a few months yet, but I figure I might go ahead and have some stuff added to it so it is ready to go when I pick it up. So far I am looking at:

This winch: http://www.amazon.com/WARN-28500-XD9000-9000-lb-Winch/dp/B0002Z9SU6/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1403168476&sr=1-1&keywords=Warn+XD9000

This bumper: http://store.arbusa.com/ARB-Deluxe-Bar-Toyota-Tacoma-2012-13-3423140-P22769.aspx

And this lift: http://store.arbusa.com/2-Inch-05-On-Tacoma-Heavy-Sport-Kit-OMETAC05HKS-P20932.aspx

Thoughts? Suggestions as far as the winch bit goes? I thought I might want to go up to a 10k pound winch, but the 9k pounder should give me a thousand pounds of wiggle room all loaded up as it is...

Also, what size tires can I put on a Tacoma with a 2 inch lift without them rubbing?

Cheers,

Ben


OP:

I would like to get a midsize pickup. It should get as good or better gas efficiency (real world, not advertised) than the 2010 wrangler I sold before coming out here (about 19 MPG combined). I want an automatic transmission, 4x4, and it should be reasonably capable off road (though that isn't the primary intended use). I want it under $30k. I don't want electric windows, doors, etc. It cannot be union made.

So far this seems to be narrowing it to a Tacoma for me...any other suggestions?

Also, a V6 is fine for pulling a small boat, right? And could I get away with towing a small horse trailer (2 horses) later on with a V6, or would I then need a V8? I've always had SUVs...school me on pickups.
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i'm not a huge fan of a lot of the ARB bumpers because they tend to stick out pretty far which doesn't do much for your approach angle. there are a lot of aftermarket companies that make bumpers better suited to rock crawling type offroading than the ARB.

as for the winches and other stuff, the rest of the ARB line is good stuff, Warn makes good products however there are better values out there like engo and others, 4 wheel and off road did a bargain 9k winch comparo not too long ago.

the v6 in the tacos makes 265ish hp so it should be fine for a small boat or horse trailer.

i believe you'll want to do the diff drop with a 2" lift and you should be able to fit 32" tires (265/75-16 is stock on the TRD Off Road) without issue, 33's are doable if you hammer on a body seam to keep from rubbing i think.

also, Nissan Frontiers are non-union made in TN and should come in under 30k.
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