

Posted: 8/26/2013 5:54:36 PM EDT
I appreciate having the opportunity to speak to members of this forum. Troy Asymmetric, part of the “World of Troy,” is a business entity with a director who until this past week, held exclusive hiring authority. I am its owner, it bears my name and as we have witnessed in recent days, effects public opinion of all Troy divisions. Earlier this week, I terminated an instructor who did not support the Second Amendment as ardently as I and members of the community do.
Troy Asymmetric provides training to military and law enforcement personnel. If you spend 5 seconds on the website you’ll see a graphical depiction of a bomb explosion - the primary focus of the company. Take a moment to read the course list and you’ll note a common theme: training pertaining to explosions, bomb threats, post-blast crime scenes, incident command and crisis management. Instructors’ primary areas of expertise lie in the “bomb world,” with EOD experience, critical incident response, and tactical decision making. Some posters on the forum have said we only train “Jack Booted Thugs” and there is a secret agenda. These same posters conveniently ignore Troy Prepared: www.troyprepared.com. Troy Asymmetric to this date has offered no firearms training for Gov’t and LE, but in comparison, Troy Prepared has always offered firearms training to qualified civilians. From a factual, non-emotional context, it is impossible to draw the conclusion that we somehow do not support the Second Amendment and are only training “secret army”. On August 22, 1992, Dale was an HRT Operator tasked to a mission in which he found himself facing armed adversaries. His thoughts were not only on the situation at hand, but the tragic death of a child and a U.S. Marshal. During this type of confrontation when people die, you don’t have the ability to pick sides, they are drawn before you arrive. Dale did what he was trained to do as a sniper / observer. He was fortunate not to have to take a life at this engagement. Special Agent Horiuchi made the regrettable shot, a mistake for which he will never be forgiven. Of the FBI Agents assigned to the Ruby Ridge tragedy, Dale has been one of the most outspoken. He has delivered dozens of presentations to more than 1000 civilians titled “Mistakes and Lessons of Ruby Ridge”. I weighed carefully the decision whether or not to retain Dale and could find no ethical or moral reason to remove him. Dale has not committed a criminal act, he answered all questions honestly, he did not cover anything up and he did not shoot anyone at Ruby Ridge. Dale was asked to join TA for his critical incident management expertise. Dale was never slated by TA for firearms instruction. We all know from our biggest failures come the greatest lessons in life. Providing training that is relevant with experienced, qualified instructors can prevent a tragedy like Ruby Ridge. Dale will be able to deliver this powerful message and lessons learned in crisis management and incident command. I am driven and passionate about bringing effective change through pertinent training and speakers that have lived through these nightmares. Many times I have seen posts in forums that state “if you weren’t there then SDASTFU”, with that same school of thought, there is no one better than Dale to speak about tragedies like Ruby Ridge. I have been a longtime and outspoken supporter of the Second Amendment. I always choose to do what’s right, even if my stance goes against others opinion. I will not throw this man to the wolves as he has demonstrated throughout his life high integrity and honor. I know most of those who would disagree are using this forum to voice your anger towards the United States Government. In some cases that anger is justified. The Ruby Ridge tragedy and the loss of life there make no bigger example of abuse of power and Government gone wrong. However, I disagree with your personal attacks on my family and company as we are not the Government and we are not training “Jack Booted Thugs”. I am a patriot and I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of The United States, all of it. Those who have taken that same oath recognize the importance of keeping it. Thank you. -Steve Troy |
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Thank you for this statement, and thank you for putting it in GD.
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How do you ignore Dale's congressional testimony about how he would have taken the shot if Lon had not? How did Jody get hired in the first place? Is the person who hired Jody still at Troy? ETA: Thank you for your response, I will never buy another one of your products. I will also do my best to make sure everyone I know does not buy your products either. You guys spent more time giving out half-assed statements, and backtracking on them over the last few days than I could even think was humanely possible. You treated your customer base like mindless idiots. So, is this your "official" statement? Or will there be another one in a few days? |
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Anyone involved in Ruby Ridge should be black listed forever.
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You wont be seeing any of my money and I waste a lot of it on gun stuff.
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Thank you for posting. We might not agree with every decision, but it matters that you stand and speak. I hope the other posters will be respectful.
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Good to see Troy post a statement in GD and follow along with its customers interest.
Not sure how/why this whole clusterfuck got started in the first place, but glad to see they are learning from this mistake. Troy, do not let this happen again. Not a good move. |
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Thanks for at least making the statement. I have several of your products and have been happy with their performance. I won't be selling any of them but as of right now I'm holding off on any future purchases. I have tried to keep up with this situation with the info that has been available. I do wonder if things would have kept going along in your company like they were if none of this info would have been discovered. |
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Just curious how you can have two "isolated" companies at the same place?
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Perilous and confusing times we live in. Thanks for the public response. Not sure I agree with your decision, but respect you for at least explaining your rationale.
John |
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Good to see Troy post a statement in GD and follow along with its customers interest. Not sure how/why this whole clusterfuck got started in the first place, but glad to see they are learning from this mistake. Troy, do not let this happen again. Not a good move. View Quote They didn't learn shit. They are still backing that ass hat. |
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Ruby ridge was a perfect example of feds needing to over complicate a situation to make themselves seem more important and needed. All because of a quarter inch.
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Thank you for posting. We might not agree with every decision, but it matters that you stand and speak. I hope the other posters will be respectful. View Quote Agreed. Respectfully speaking, Troy can make their business decisions as they see fit, and I can make by buying decisions as I see fit. |
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Thank you for making up my mind.
NO MORE TROY PRODUCTS FOR ME. EVER. |
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How do you ignore Dale's congressional testimony about how he would have taken the shot if Lon had not? How did Jody get hired in the first place? Is the person who hired Jody still at Troy? View Quote I spoke with Steve earlier and Kevin has, errr had*, full authority to hire personnel on his own. That has since changed and Jody was removed as an employee as everyone probably knows. (Pretty quickly, which was the correct thing to do.) I would imagine the hiring process has changed after this mess. |
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Apparently, by his OWN WORDS, he didn't shoot anyone at Ruby Ridge because he wasn't fast enough on the damned trigger.
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They didn't learn shit. They are still backing that ass hat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Good to see Troy post a statement in GD and follow along with its customers interest. Not sure how/why this whole clusterfuck got started in the first place, but glad to see they are learning from this mistake. Troy, do not let this happen again. Not a good move. They didn't learn shit. They are still backing that ass hat. Just hoping they will move in the right direction though. I personally have lost support with Troy and will cease further transactions with the company until major changes have been made. |
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Thanks for the statement and posting in GD, I still disagree with the hiring and backing of Dale, especially after watching the C-Span hearing.
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There are hundreds or thousands of people who are qualified to advise on critical incident management. You just happened to pick the one with the worst reputation for your industry. Since you choose to retain him, your customers will decide if that was the right choice.
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I spoke with Steve earlier and Kevin has, errr had*, full authority to hire personnel on his own. That has since changed and Jody was removed as an employee as everyone probably knows. (Pretty quickly, which was the correct thing to do.) I would imagine the hiring process has changed after this mess. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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How do you ignore Dale's congressional testimony about how he would have taken the shot if Lon had not? How did Jody get hired in the first place? Is the person who hired Jody still at Troy? I spoke with Steve earlier and Kevin has, errr had*, full authority to hire personnel on his own. That has since changed and Jody was removed as an employee as everyone probably knows. (Pretty quickly, which was the correct thing to do.) I would imagine the hiring process has changed after this mess. That still doesn't answer the first question. Its next to impossible to watch the hearing and come to a different conclusion. There was one way for them to attempt to save face. Troy didn't choose that route. |
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