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Posted: 7/20/2008 6:30:10 AM EDT
We might make the move from western Colorado to New Hampshire.

I've been trying to think of ways to get my shit out there. I'd have to go through NY and possible MA with handguns, silencers, and semi auto rifles that don't conform with certain states AWB's?

I know there is a Federal law that states that you can transport anything as long as it's egal in both the origin as well as the destination state. Am I right on this?

Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:38:09 AM EDT
yes, just dont get pulled over

and update your nfa paperwork for travel to that state
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 6:47:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:04:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:11:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
You couldn't pay me to drive through NY or NJ. There have been many confirmed reports of NY ignoring the federal transportation law and making arrests on the spot. I would seriously consider driving around these states, especially with silencers and such.


+100

A traffic stop in NY could easily turn into front page news.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:16:28 AM EDT
How would you drive around New York if you lived in NH and were going to CO?
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:18:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:18:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
You couldn't pay me to drive through NY or NJ. There have been many confirmed reports of NY ignoring the federal transportation law and making arrests on the spot. I would seriously consider driving around these states, especially with silencers and such.


How do you drive to NH without going through NYS? Canada is NOT an option.

Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:19:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
How would you drive around New York if you lived in NH and were going to CO?


Canada.
Yeah I am sure Canadian boarder police are going to let you into their country with cans.

I would just bury the guns as far into the U-haul as you can get and don't get pulled over.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:21:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:25:15 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:26:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
Also wanted to add....

I drove all my guns out of NY 2yrs ago when I moved to Ohio, talk about being freaked out for 2.5hrs while on the thruway. It was not a fun situation. All my stuff was NY preban or post ban compliant but I would have been big news somewhere if I had been caught.

I have never been so happy to see PA in my life.
That is me driving through MD when I see family in PA. Long 9 miles.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:26:53 AM EDT
You don't have to go through MA. If you are driving a moving truck build a wooden crate, seal everything inside it and load it into the truck as the first item. Pack all your other crap around it. Just observe all the traffic laws, make sure you have the rental agreement and be sure all your lights are working. You'll be fine.

If you end up in jail IM the Penguin and he'll bail you out.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:31:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
Could you mail your goods to a FFL in NH?


He can ship everything to himself using a common carrier. Unfortunately he will have to declare the firearms.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:33:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:34:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:38:51 AM EDT
www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000926---A000-.html


Notwithstanding any other provision of any law or any rule or regulation of a State or any political subdivision thereof, any person who is not otherwise prohibited by this chapter from transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm shall be entitled to transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm to any other place where he may lawfully possess and carry such firearm if, during such transportation the firearm is unloaded, and neither the firearm nor any ammunition being transported is readily accessible or is directly accessible from the passenger compartment of such transporting vehicle: Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 7:55:32 AM EDT
Unfortunately you have to at least go through New York to get from there to here … Your best bet is probably to cut across Pennsylvania, pick up Route 84 to Route 87, follow that North up through Albany then cut over to South Eastern Vermont on a secondary highway … You'll only be in New York State for about an hour and a half if you stick to the highways, and will bypass Massachusetts completely. Once you're in Vermont you can get over to NH at your own pace.

Christ, what has become of this country where people exercising their Constitutional right to keep and bear arms have to move like they're on the Underground Railroad.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:45:27 AM EDT
Why the hell are you moving to New England (it is almost as bad as Old England)?

Do you not understand how good you have it in Colorado?
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 9:57:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By ZW17:

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
How would you drive around New York if you lived in NH and were going to CO?


Canada.
Yeah I am sure Canadian boarder police are going to let you into their country with cans.

I would just bury the guns as far into the U-haul as you can get and don't get pulled over.


Yeah, last time I moved, I just laid the safe back side down in the trailer, and used it to store all my broken down rifles. I used towels and cardboard to separate everything and protect them. Worked out pretty well.

I'm thinking this is my best option, along with driving like a saint - set the cruise control at the speed limit.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:01:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:
You don't have to go through MA. If you are driving a moving truck build a wooden crate, seal everything inside it and load it into the truck as the first item. Pack all your other crap around it. Just observe all the traffic laws, make sure you have the rental agreement and be sure all your lights are working. You'll be fine.

If you end up in jail IM the Penguin and he'll bail you out.


My wife is an attorney as well. She knows the deal.




Originally Posted By Fletchette:
Why the hell are you moving to New England (it is almost as bad as Old England)?

Do you not understand how good you have it in Colorado?


Yeah, I'm still working on trying to get her to stay out here. All of our family is in NY, and I need easier airport access to be able to fly to Florida more frequently.

Don't remind me about leaving CO.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 10:04:07 AM EDT
I'd make sure all the guns are taken apart and in the back under a ton of stuff. Then just drive extremely carefully and obey all the traffic laws. If you get pulled over, you might get a cop who doesn't know or care about the federal law for transporting firearms and he may decide to take it further. Then again, you may get a cop who does know what the law is and respects your rights. You just never know.

The cans worry me though. They are one of those things that don't "seem" legal, so most people assume they aren't and don't know the truth.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 12:40:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fletchette:
Why the hell are you moving to New England (it is almost as bad as Old England)?

Do you not understand how good you have it in Colorado?


NH is the next to lowest taxed state in the nation and has better gun laws than CO. NH has everything an outdoors man/sportsman could want and a high tech low unemployment and no welfare economy. The surrounding states of VT (No CCW req.) and ME (CCW at 18) are also super gun friendly. NH and ME also have some of the finest hunting and fishing in the U.S. if you are a hunter or fisherman.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 1:04:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By Fletchette:
Why the hell are you moving to New England (it is almost as bad as Old England)?

Do you not understand how good you have it in Colorado?


NH is the next to lowest taxed state in the nation and has better gun laws than CO. NH has everything an outdoors man/sportsman could want and a high tech low unemployment and no welfare economy. The surrounding states of VT (No CCW req.) and ME (CCW at 18) are also super gun friendly. NH and ME also have some of the finest hunting and fishing in the U.S. if you are a hunter or fisherman.


NH has become a "blue" state and will shortly have a sales and incomes tax as well. Too many Massholes moved in, you are screwed.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 1:32:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By Fletchette:
Why the hell are you moving to New England (it is almost as bad as Old England)?

Do you not understand how good you have it in Colorado?


NH is the next to lowest taxed state in the nation and has better gun laws than CO. NH has everything an outdoors man/sportsman could want and a high tech low unemployment and no welfare economy. The surrounding states of VT (No CCW req.) and ME (CCW at 18) are also super gun friendly. NH and ME also have some of the finest hunting and fishing in the U.S. if you are a hunter or fisherman.


NH has become a "blue" state and will shortly have a sales and incomes tax as well. Too many Massholes moved in, you are screwed.


I'd wait till this November. There might be some retribution after the somewhat socialist takeover last election.
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 1:46:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
Also wanted to add....

I drove all my guns out of NY 2yrs ago when I moved to Ohio, talk about being freaked out for 2.5hrs while on the thruway. It was not a fun situation. All my stuff was NY preban or post ban compliant but I would have been big news somewhere if I had been caught.

I have never been so happy to see PA in my life.


+1

Except my egress route went through Jersey as well...NY I wasn't worried about, but all those banned by name items and mags in NJ was enough to make me drive carefully...
Link Posted: 7/20/2008 2:00:14 PM EDT
Keep the Cans and guns in the gun safe. If they pull you over, they wouldn't be able to even see what was inside unless you opened it for them, which you wouldn't. Problem solved.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:04:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 7/21/2008 6:05:07 AM EDT by rkbar15]

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
NH has become a "blue" state and will shortly have a sales and incomes tax as well. Too many Massholes moved in, you are screwed.


I'd wait till this November. There might be some retribution after the somewhat socialist takeover last election.


NH needs more freedom loving citizens to kick the taxachusetts assholes back to taxachusetts. AFAIK 70% of the NH population is opposed to a state income or sales tax.

NH state law preempts a local jurisdiction from regulating firearms and the state constitution protects the right to bear arms "All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state". Open/concealed carry of firearms is even legal in the NH state house.

AFAIK NH is the only state in the union that provides for the overthrow of the state government.

http://www.nh.gov/constitution/billofrights.html

[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

June 2, 1784
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:31:22 AM EDT
Live free or die.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:43:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rkbar15:

Originally Posted By shootemup:

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
NH has become a "blue" state and will shortly have a sales and incomes tax as well. Too many Massholes moved in, you are screwed.


I'd wait till this November. There might be some retribution after the somewhat socialist takeover last election.


NH needs more freedom loving citizens to kick the taxachusetts assholes back to taxachusetts. AFAIK 70% of the NH population is opposed to a state income or sales tax.

NH state law preempts a local jurisdiction from regulating firearms and the state constitution protects the right to bear arms "All persons have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state". Open/concealed carry of firearms is even legal in the NH state house.

AFAIK NH is the only state in the union that provides for the overthrow of the state government.

http://www.nh.gov/constitution/billofrights.html

[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

June 2, 1784


Ahh. The more I read and hear stuff like that, the more I want to move there.

Although gun laws are generally great here, the Kalifornicators are coming, and I think the complete state will be Dem. come November. I do love it here, though.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 6:48:46 AM EDT
Come on up, We need all the help we can get taking the state back from the hippies!!

What part of NH are you moving to?..If your gonna be south of Tilton , watch your ass!!!and Concord South it is almost like being in Boston!!!!
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 7:19:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NAM:
www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000926---A000-.html


Provided, That in the case of a vehicle without a compartment separate from the driver’s compartment the firearm or ammunition shall be contained in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console.



So does that mean i can drive thru those states with my pistol where i am not permitted too as long as i have a safe in my truck?


I just installed this into my truck and shall be traveling thru NY and NJ in a couple of weeks.
015e4e8.netsolstores.com/newmodel1013toyotatundrayear2007andup.aspx
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 7:31:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By delemorte:
I just installed this into my truck and shall be traveling thru NY and NJ in a couple of weeks.
015e4e8.netsolstores.com/newmodel1013toyotatundrayear2007andup.aspx


You travel through NYS at your own risk.

NJ in theory does recognize USC 926A

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_trans.html

All firearms transported through the State of New Jersey:

The following guidelines are provided in order to assist law enforcement officers in applying New Jersey's firearms laws to persons who are transporting firearms through the State of New Jersey.

1. New Jersey laws governing firearms permits, purchaser identification cards, registration and licenses do not apply to a person who is transporting the firearm through this State if that person is transporting the firearm in a manner permitted by federal law, 18 U.S.C.A. 926A.
2. This federal law permitting interstate transportation of a firearm applies only if all of the following requirements are met:

A. The person's possession of the firearm was lawful in the state in which the journey began;

B. The person's possession of the firearm will be lawful in the state in which the journey will end;

C. The person is transporting the firearm for lawful purpose

D. The firearm is unloaded

E. The firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle

F. The ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the vehicle

G. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm and ammunition must be in a locked container other than the vehicle's glove compartment or console;

H. The person is not

1. a convicted felon

2. a fugitive from justice an addict or unlawful user of drugs, or

3. an illegal alien

I The person has not

1. been adjudicated to be a mental defective

2. been committed to a mental institution

3. been dishonorably discharged from the armed forces, or

4. renounced his United States Citizenship

3. A person who is transporting a firearm though the State of New Jersey in the manner permitted by person's possession 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, see Section II above, need not give notice.
4. Procedures for Investigation of Conduct Involving the Possession or Transportation of Firearms

A. An officer who reasonably suspects that a person is transporting a firearm in violation of New Jersey law should make reasonable inquiries in order to confirm or dispel that suspicion.

B. In a case where circumstances reasonably indicate that the person's possession and transportation of the firearms my be permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, the officer should make reasonable inquiries in order to determine whether the person's possession is permitted by that federal law.

C. If reasonable inquiries lead an officer to conclude that the person's possession is lawful under either New Jersey law or 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, the officer should promptly allow the person to proceed.

D. Whenever an officer has probable cause to believe that a person's possession of a firearm is in violation of New Jersey law and not permitted by 18 U.S.C.A. 926A, as described above in Section II, then the officer should make an arrest.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 7:39:43 AM EDT
NY isn't that bad, most highways are 65 and you won't get pulled over unless you doing 80+

Just stay the hell out of NYC and you'll be fine, a lot of the upstate counties are fine with firearms.



Link Posted: 7/21/2008 9:28:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ZW17:
You couldn't pay me to drive through NY or NJ. There have been many confirmed reports of NY ignoring the federal transportation law and making arrests on the spot. I would seriously consider driving around these states, especially with silencers and such.


Fuck that. Drive through and sue the bastards when they violate your 2nd Amendment rights! Gentlemen, we have the Initiative here, best to strike while the iron is hot.
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 3:52:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/21/2008 4:02:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fletchette:
Why the hell are you moving to New England (it is almost as bad as Old England)?

Do you not understand how good you have it in Colorado?
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