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Posted: 5/6/2004 8:03:10 AM EST

Trailer park girl turns into torturer
By Patrick Sawer, Evening Standard
6 May 2004
Lynndie England's face is displayed on the Wal-Mart supermarket's wall of honour in her home town, a place where people are proud of their soldiers serving in Iraq.
At the Mineral County Courthouse in Keyser the same face appears alongside those of other local servicemen and women, under a banner declaring: "We're hometown proud."
But since that same face has been beamed across the world - this time grinning at the humiliation of Iraqi prisoners - there has been incomprehension in the small towns and trailer parks of West Virginia, where England grew up.
"Oh, my God," said her mother Terrie, when she was shown the now notorious photograph of her daughter pointing at Hayder Sabbar Abd's genitals in Abu Ghraib prison in Baghdad. "I can't get over this."
Now more photographs of England and fellow guards brutalising Iraqi detainees have emerged and the American public is turning its anger on the 21-year-old railroad worker's daughter.
England grew up on a trailer park behind a saloon in Fort Ashby, West Virginia, shooting turkeys or spending time with her sister Destiny at the ice cream parlour.
Some might dismiss her as "trailer trash" but she appears to have done well at school and wanted to go to college. To raise the cash she enlisted in the 372nd Military Police Company, a reserve unit based 13 miles away.
Here she fell in love with and got engaged to Specialist Charles Graner, from Pennsylvania, who appears alongside her in some of the photographs. In one chilling image she is giving the thumbs up as he stands behind a pile of naked Iraqi detainees.
Graner, like England and the others maintain they had been instructed to maltreat the prisoners to soften them up for interrogation. Relatives say they had no training or experience in handling POWs. In January Lynndie phoned home to warn her family something had happened. "There might be some trouble," she said. "But I don't want you to worry." Now she is in detention with no idea whether she will face charges.
Back home they try to dismiss the images as "kid things - pranks". But there is bitterness at what they see as scapegoating of poor kids by generals and politicians who - after dehumanising them in training - sent them abroad to fight their dirty wars.
England's mother said: "She wanted to see the world and go to college. Now the government turned their back on her. And what the Iraqis do to our men and women is just? The rules of the Geneva Convention, does that apply to everybody or just us?"
Businessman Bill Nestor added: "Everybody's thinking: Where were their superior officers?" In fact the woman in charge, Brigadier-General Janis Karpinski, has been suspended from duty and is facing an investigation into her running of Abu Ghraib. She maintains the section of the prison where the abuses took place was not under her direct command.
Second World War veteran Ivan Frederick, 76, of Western Maryland, whose son Staff Sgt Ivan "Chip" Frederick is one of the soldiers involved in the abuses at Abu Ghraib, said the men and women of 372nd wanted to do their jobs well, but did not know how to handle the situation.
His son kept a journal about what he saw at Abu Ghraib. He gave a copy to his father and went on CBS's 60 Minutes to denounce what took place.
In the journal Frederick, who now faces a court martial, tells of prisoners being made to stand naked in isolation cells with no toilets or running water for as much as three days and of being shot with non-lethal rounds for standing near a fence singing.
"It's very upsetting to me that the military is doing this," said Mr Frederick Snr, 76. "I don't think he did those things unless he was ordered to do so."


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She is the one in the photo with the cigarette hanging out of her mouth pointing at the prisoners.

Real 'classy lady' there.

BigDozer66


Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:05:43 AM EST
must...............NOT..............................make..................................trailerpark................................j.j..jjj.jj.jjj.joke
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:07:04 AM EST
What the hell did those morons expect when they TOOK PICTURES ??
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:11:26 AM EST
I cant believe the scale of damage these fuck heads have done to their country. If the insurgents wiped out an entire division, it wouldn't be as bad as this. Now people, including the Iraqis, think we're just Saddam by any other name. And for what? So these hicks could lord over helpless Arabs?

It's so shameful.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:11:42 AM EST
I knew it!

I knew she was from a trailer park.

I actually dated a girl from a trailer park once so I know em when I see em
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:19:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By RAVYN:
I knew it!

I knew she was from a trailer park.

I actually dated a girl from a trailer park once so I know em when I see em



Did she point at your wee wee and laugh?
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:20:07 AM EST
I'd hardly call that torture.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:23:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By 2whiskeyP:

Originally Posted By RAVYN:
I knew it!

I knew she was from a trailer park.

I actually dated a girl from a trailer park once so I know em when I see em



Did she point at your wee wee and laugh?



No...they only laugh at the uncercumcized wee wees
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:30:26 AM EST
Who was it a couple days ago who posted the thread, "I'd hit it" in reference to the girl?
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:46:54 AM EST
Gosh, who would ever have guessed that integrating women into the military might somehow coarsen women? Had we only known!
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 8:56:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 9:07:09 AM EST
According to the article, the military dehumanizes it's soldiers, then sends them to fight in dirty wars. Wow, that sucks. This reporter is pretty conservative...
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 9:18:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
I cant believe the scale of damage these fuck heads have done to their country. If the insurgents wiped out an entire division, it wouldn't be as bad as this. Now people, including the Iraqis, think we're just Saddam by any other name. And for what? So these hicks could lord over helpless Arabs?

It's so shameful.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa­a

alarmist

big deal, the pukes (Iraqi's) will just have to get over it.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 10:00:34 AM EST
While I am disgusted that our own troops would 1) be stupid enough to be photographed doing this crap, and 2) doing some of this stuff; I have to dismiss the word "torture". Nothing that I read here was true torture. Sleep deprivation and nudity are pretty harsh tactics, but are used as interrogation tools. If people think this is torture, they ought to talk to a POW of VN and find out what real torture. Also, I'm sure that plenty of real torture goes on in the world at the hands of our Islamic enemies. If the public or Iraqi citizens want to see a place of torture right there in Iraq, they can start with most of Saddam's residences, prisons, and other real estate. There was the real torturer. Sad that some idiot numbskulls on our own side have done so much damage to make the US appear as if it is no different from Saddam.

I supported the war and the ouster of Saddam. But at this point, I say put him back him power and give him back his army and let his people have an A and B comparison between us and him to remind them of how things REALLY are...
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 10:09:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
I cant believe the scale of damage these fuck heads have done to their country. If the insurgents wiped out an entire division, it wouldn't be as bad as this. Now people, including the Iraqis, think we're just Saddam by any other name. And for what? So these hicks could lord over helpless Arabs?

It's so shameful.





I can't beleive you have fallen into the liberal media's trap. This was nowhere near torture, especially Sadaam's torture. Are you fucking kidding me?? You think the world is dumb enough to think what happened to those pukes was even on the same scale as what Sadaam used to do to his own people?? PALLLEAASSEE, the only people who are biting into this are the liberals and politicians who have to act like they are appaled. (Bush and Rumsfeld)

Don't forget why those fuckers were there in the first place, they were war criminals and they all looked well fed to me. So they went naked and got "humiliated", big fucking deal.

The only mistake those soldiers made was taking pictures, that fucked them.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 10:48:16 AM EST
I can't believe they took photo's either!

The shame is in the fact that we have let the world see what it takes to get these murdering terrorist to talk.

The fact is that most people can't handle the truth!

President Clinton taught us "Don't ask. Don't tell." and this falls into that category.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 12:14:40 PM EST

England grew up on a trailer park(STRIKE ONE) behind a saloon(STRIKE TWO) in Fort Ashby, West Virginia(STRIKE THREE)...


Yer out!



England's mother said: "She wanted to see the world and go to college. Now the government turned their back on her. And what the Iraqis do to our men and women is just? The rules of the Geneva Convention, does that apply to everybody or just us?"
Nice try Mom, but that behavior can't be justified.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 12:20:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By hardcase:

England grew up on a trailer park(STRIKE ONE) behind a saloon(STRIKE TWO) in Fort Ashby, West Virginia(STRIKE THREE)...


Yer out!



England's mother said: "She wanted to see the world and go to college. Now the government turned their back on her. And what the Iraqis do to our men and women is just? The rules of the Geneva Convention, does that apply to everybody or just us?"
Nice try Mom, but that behavior can't be justified.



My own Sheriff's Department had CO's take pics of hookers, they were fired.

If it happens here, it can happen there.

It needs handled -------------- but is no big deal.

Lack of leadership, but then again that is todays generation.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 12:35:15 PM EST
BIG FUCKIN' DEAL

These Iraqi's aren't your average citizens. These are hostile combatants which at some point were taking shots at our troops. Humiliation is NOT torture.

I see no problem with these pictures other than they became published.
For all you whiners, whistle blowers and easily appalled,


LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP, YOU ALL SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF LIBERAL PUSSIES!!!!
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 12:37:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By HighStrung1:
BIG FUCKIN' DEAL

These Iraqi's aren't your average citizens. These are hostile combatants which at some point were taking shots at our troops. Humiliation is NOT torture.

I see no problem with these pictures other than they became published.
For all you whiners, whistle blowers and easily appalled,


LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP, YOU ALL SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF LIBERAL PUSSIES!!!!



I am tired of you holding back ------------ let it out
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 12:50:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/6/2004 12:51:43 PM EST by Rip_Roarin_Wacko]
The picture stuff is just the tip of the iceburg. Wait until you see what comes out in the next few weeks.

Groups Say They Cited Iraq Prison Abuse

"The Army disclosed Tuesday that it was looking into 10 prisoner deaths and said two other
deaths already had been ruled homicides. On Wednesday, an intelligence official said the CIA
inspector general was examining two additional deaths involving agency interrogators."

Link Posted: 5/6/2004 12:53:20 PM EST
Dudes,

This whole thing is getting way blown out of proportion. This is a GD war. Shit happens man. I don't see any problem humiliating these f*ing arabs to soften them up. They hate being humiliated. These acts probably helped save american lives. The arabs hated us before this happened, they did not believe a thing Bush said yesterday, so who gives a shit what they think.

When they burned and dangled our guys over that bridge, not one f*ing arab cleric condemned it publicly. As far as I have heard, no one was hurt by these acts. The f*ing "arab street" now knows we are serious.

Everybody is so wussed out by this. You are falling prey to the liberal media whiny bastards. Get over it!
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 1:11:53 PM EST
Torture? Pfft. Fraternities do worse to their pledges and it's just as stupid, illegal, immoral, unethical and shows a lack of integrity and honor BUT it's hardly torture. It's not like they dragged the burnt and butchered bodies of Iraquis through the street or anything like that.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 1:15:29 PM EST
Was it Torture? …No. However, don't know about you guys, but being made to suck an Arabs tool would be 'torture' for me.

Andy
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 1:49:03 PM EST
You guys are forgetting that this thread is about a piece of white trash.......
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 1:51:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By mcgrubbs:
You guys are forgetting that this thread is about a piece of white trash.......



OK, Don't know about you guys having her suck my tool would be 'torture' for me…

ANdy
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 2:01:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/6/2004 2:01:37 PM EST by sam1963]
These people are our enemies, who cares? How can anybody
think that being stripped and pointed to by a dirt bag from a trailer park
is real torturer? Humiliating, Yes. But if that as bad as is gets get over it.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 2:16:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/6/2004 2:21:33 PM EST by lvgunner777]

Originally Posted By mcgrubbs:
You guys are forgetting that this thread is about a piece of white trash.......




White trash that had the balls to go fight for her country.

Better than some uppity bastard kid that is too scared to go do it.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 2:19:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By HighStrung1:
BIG FUCKIN' DEAL

These Iraqi's aren't your average citizens. These are hostile combatants which at some point were taking shots at our troops. Humiliation is NOT torture.

I see no problem with these pictures other than they became published.
For all you whiners, whistle blowers and easily appalled,


LIGHTEN THE FUCK UP, YOU ALL SOUND LIKE A BUNCH OF LIBERAL PUSSIES!!!!



I agree 100%, when I see the same level of out rage in the Arab nation regarding the real torture and abuse of Americans, then and only then will I care!!!

Was it stupid, yes. Should it have happened at all, no. Should the soldiers be punished, yes, but I don't think the punishment should be worse than what they did to the Iraqi's.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 2:19:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By lvgunner777:

Originally Posted By mcgrubbs:
You guys are forgetting that this thread is about a piece of white trash.......




White trash that had the balls to go right for her country.

Better than some uppity bastard kid that is too scared to go do it.



Just like Nam --------- the trash did the work.
Well at least according to the Snob Hill crowd.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 5:52:24 PM EST
After further investigation she is the one in almost all of those pics!

She looka like a man!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 7:19:17 PM EST
Yeah when it is all said and done , Larry Flynt will help her out!!!
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 7:31:20 PM EST
this one?
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 7:31:50 PM EST
According to NBC news, her picture has been taken off Wal-Mart's "wall of honor".
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 7:35:56 PM EST
That was not torture, it was dehumanizing to them to have a woman laugh at their lil weenies. I see no harm done. Now a heli ride and pushing them out ,effective but illegal. I have no remorse for these fucktards(iraq or any other mideast terrorist). I would have their lil balls in a vise if it were me and no pics either. America is too soft and we fight a war with rules even though the enemy has none. Tv kills a war quick. Look at Vietnam, marines burning down huts Americans go crazy. Keep that shit off tv and let the ones fighting do what is EFFECTIVE! Hearts and minds my ass.
Link Posted: 5/6/2004 7:37:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By BenDover:
Who was it a couple days ago who posted the thread, "I'd hit it" in reference to the girl?



That was me.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 2:46:14 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 3:06:20 AM EST
During the next meeting of the Liberal socialist kommies against the war little twats club,I will move that we all go to tthe airports,bus stations,and rail terminals with bags of piss and shit to pelt these baby killing mutherfucking war mongering running dog lackies of imperialist whoremongers,you know,soldiers returning from the sandbox.

Vietnam tought US how to deal with this kind of thing and Jane Fonda is sitting right here and I just got of the phone with that revolutionary hero,John Kerry.We all agree here at the Friends of Sadam fan club that to exploit this propoganda blurb properly that all Americans must be made to see their children fighting for their country in Iraq are really Nazis bent on world domination and are weapons of mass destruction in and of themselves.


So........brothers and sisters and loyal party members everywhere join us to wring our hands and to decry the mass graves filled with innocent Iraqi children who had their penis pointed at by some little girl that all Americans hate now because we told them it was the right thing to do.


Whaat a fucking bunch of sheeple.Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.everybody that wants to cruicify these soldiers can KISS MY VIETNAM VET ASS.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 3:19:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By skipperJ:
www.sacredcowburgers.com/parodies/on_atrocities.jpg



Yep !
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 3:34:25 AM EST
You know, I always thought that trailer park girls went 'round the outside...


ByteTheBullet (-:
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:00:55 AM EST
Two points....
one, a muslim man thinks a woman is second class and an non muslim woman is lower...to be guarded and controled by a woman is degrading in itself to them. They are very big on face...their honor. Here if you sister gets laid it is no big deal.... there they are required to kill the woman who has sex out of marriage. Even if it is their sister, they get no punishment form theommunity...they get a party.
Two....you don't take pictures, that is so stupid, and then let them get posted on the internet!
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 4:04:51 AM EST
You go girl!

I am all for her disnonoring these hoodlum prisoners. It may make their comrades think about going into a different line of work.

If it was me, I would make her the prison warden.

You can bet the Israelis do this to their prisoners.
Link Posted: 5/7/2004 5:05:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By SS109:
You go girl!

I am all for her disnonoring these hoodlum prisoners. It may make their comrades think about going into a different line of work.

If it was me, I would make her the prison warden.

You can bet the Israelis do this to their prisoners.



i bet the Israelis dont take pix that are published on the Net, like these rednecks did.

The pix are the one and only thing i have a problem with.
I think it would've been more degrading to have them hump some pigs, they're used to doin each other.
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