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What the hell makes the Jeep Patriot or Compass trail rated? I wouldn't take them over a speed bump without fear of breakage. Anybody else feel the same way?
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:14:40 AM EST
I just traded the '06 Commander for an '08 Compass. The wife drives it. It's "Trail Rated" if the trail is paved. I only traded due to fuel mileage. I thought the Commander was kind of fugly but she liked it. Now she likes the Compass. I won't even get into the Compass. I just pay for it.
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:22:49 AM EST
I feel you on not wanting to ride in it. My wife has a Toyota Echo. I have actually had to drive it and wanted to cry. I like my SUV a lot better.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:31:57 AM EST
Here are the Jeep Testing grounds!
 Known here locally as the Silver Comet Trail |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 4:49:08 AM EST
my wife drives a patriot. it's a nice ride that does exactally what she needs it to. i actually enjoy driving it. 4wd is nice for the snowy unplowed roads around here (haven't had it through a winter yet), but i would definatly NOT take it off road.
ETA- she has the cheaper non-trail rated version. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:02:46 PM EST
it's a jeep thing, you would'nt under stand it.
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:17:47 PM EST
I understand my mother in law getting screwed for trade in value on her jeep.
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:19:42 PM EST
Like that would not happen with any other make? |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:42:08 PM EST
I was only commenting on not understanding anything about jeeps.
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:44:41 PM EST
Gotcha. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:44:54 PM EST
So how many of you here have actually driven any of them?
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Posted: 5/15/2008 2:45:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/15/2008 2:46:00 PM EST by Stryfe]
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Posted: 5/15/2008 3:04:54 PM EST
I've driven two liberties, a cherokee, a cherokee laredo, and a patriot. I was not impressed. I wont even comment on how shitty the backseat room is. Our department had some for K9, recruiting, and detectives. I drove my uncles' (two uncles had them). The others were rentals. |
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Posted: 5/15/2008 5:28:44 PM EST
I had to upgrade my Jeep with GM and Ford parts to make it "Trail Rated"
Oh, and parts off of XJ/TJ/YJ and some home brew as well... 
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Posted: 5/15/2008 5:45:54 PM EST
We've got two JKs in the garage. I can't complain.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:25:57 PM EST
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Posted: 5/15/2008 8:30:41 PM EST
No locking diffs but it's got the weird thing where the traction control will make the brake stop a spinning wheel.
I'm sure my Tacoma or Samurai could blow one away on a serious trail but not bad for a grocery getter. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2008 3:02:04 AM EST
My 07 Liberty Off-Road has a center locking diff. Thats "Trail Rated" to me...
 Yeah, the only dude I see driving Liberties is me, in the rear-view....but ever since my modded Bronco II, I have learned the values of smaller SUV's, especially on the trail. My Bronco II was like a go-kart with 4WD and a stereo. Needless to say, it was stupid-fun on a cow path....I actually selected my first Jeep, an 05 Rendegade over just about anything else. I bought it because it reminded me of my Bronco II in all the good/bad ways. The Liberty has a ton of potential and by itself is quite a capable SUV, especially for the money. Still, with all the broads driving them I sometimes feel like I am driving a yellow "new bettle" with the obligiotry flower sticker, various dents/scratches from parking misadventures and shit hanging from the rear view mirror. I really love my Liberty, and dispite being a "girls car" it has a ton of potential. Off road, its not a Rubicon, but its better than a stock Wrangler. |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:34:00 AM EST
My girls Liberty is lifted (2.5") with 30-31"(ish) Toyos. The little thing will surprise you offroad. Extremely light and nimble.
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Posted: 5/16/2008 8:48:05 AM EST
Yeah, well that's all well and good but it sure didn't come like that from the factory did it? It is not a stock model so it is not relevant to my point. |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 12:47:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/16/2008 12:56:01 PM EST by 1911lover]
I have an '06 Commander, an '08 Liberty and 2 days ago I bought a new Sahara Unlimited.
While it is true that I don't go off road as I did in the 70s, I am very happy with all 3 Jeeps as well as my dealer! Maybe its an age thing but I couldn't be happier. I should have added that the "Trail Rated" badges were fluff or gimmicks to me, and I think the first thing that came to mind when I noticed one of them on a lot was "ya...right". The guys on jeepforum.com speak very highly of the off road capabilities of the Wrangler line, especially the Rubicon. However, a lot of those folks are adding "mods' constantly. Probably a status thing, but many claim to be serious off-road enthusiasts, and insist Jeeps are the only vehicles they consider for that sport. |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 3:40:03 PM EST
That doesn't change much anyway. A read locking diff will probably do more for a rigs off-road capability than a lift, bigger tires or any other mod. |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 4:15:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/16/2008 4:16:27 PM EST by ToyCop]
The daily drivers.
 
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Posted: 5/17/2008 4:37:20 AM EST
Yep. I've taken my Bronco places on stock suspension and 31" ATs that people with 36" mud/rock tires couldn't get at. The difference? Lower gearing, a rear spool, and a front locker. |
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Posted: 5/17/2008 7:48:43 AM EST
Well honestly I've seen TheRedGoat (brian) drive a Bonneville (sp?) more than once to the Hun Farm, one of those times it had stormed like crazy the night before and LOTS of vehicles had gotten stuck.
So I can see how jeep would call a bunch of their stuff "trail rated" they just had some creative testers
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2008 8:14:40 AM EST
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/17/2008 8:22:36 AM EST
why dont you goto jeep.com and check out what the trail rated tests are.
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Posted: 5/18/2008 8:20:46 AM EST
a stock liberty is better off road than a stock wrangler? are you high? that's the biggest pile of garbage i've read all week. |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 9:06:23 AM EST
They do now make a 2 wheel drive Wrangler Unlimited. I don't know why, but they do. |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 2:14:02 PM EST
http://www.jeep.com/en/4x4/trail_rated/index.html
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IL, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2008 1:35:59 PM EST
I think the Compass is now the ugliest thing on the road. I like the looks of the Patriot and cant beat 30mpg.
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Posted: 5/20/2008 2:00:24 PM EST
best i've gotten with mine is 26. it's an automatic. |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 4:00:13 PM EST
More like...
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Posted: 5/20/2008 4:34:19 PM EST
OMG, that's awesome!!!  I'm going to print that on a label and put it on my Samurai. It's on 35's with full cage, stinger bar and winch, front and rear lockers, onboard air, eliptical 4-link suspension with major articulation etc. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2008 4:35:08 PM EST
hock.gif |
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Posted: 5/21/2008 5:16:59 PM EST
know where i can get a bumper sticker of that? |
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Posted: 5/21/2008 6:02:07 PM EST
That's a lot of work to beat a stock TJ 
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Posted: 5/21/2008 6:18:41 PM EST
Ask, and ye shall receive: www.allterraindecals.com/proddetail.php?prod=MALL-RATED&cat=8 |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/22/2008 2:59:32 AM EST
You better research that guy at All terrain decals a bit, I used him once & will never again. If you google him you'll come up w/ the standard reason. I had to threaten him w/ PP & my cc company just to get my stuff. As for the libby outdoing a stock Wrangler  Move away from the crack pipe
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Posted: 5/22/2008 5:04:54 PM EST
My point wasn't to debunk yours - just to state a fact. I think it is a joke that they "trail rate" these. |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 5:51:55 AM EST
Do they make trail rated AR15s? |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 6:06:23 AM EST
Fuggin' Chrysler advertising, of course. Jeep is a terrible product. |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 6:07:35 AM EST
There you go. Mopar blows donkey! 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2008 9:57:08 AM EST
Just for fun, I measured the ground clearance under the front skid on my Sister's Jeep Liberty. 6 3/8 inches.
For comparision, I measured my Dad's '99 Buick Regal - 5 7/8 inches So a Buick sedan has only 1/2" less running ground clearance than what is acceptable to become trail rated?? I guess so.. |
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Posted: 5/23/2008 10:49:32 AM EST
I'm confused... 
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2008 1:22:20 PM EST
The compass is a slap in the face of the real Jeeps!!!!
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Posted: 5/23/2008 1:29:05 PM EST
They are throwing the label around for anything, why not put it on other products. |
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Posted: 6/1/2008 11:04:00 AM EST
I can't speak for the other vehicles in Jeep's lineup, but the wife's '07 Commander got it's "trail rated" badge when we upgraded to the "Quadra-Drive II" transfer case.
I'm guessing the "trail rated" thing happens when a Jeep comes from the factory with upgrades to improve it's offroad performance. Notice.....I didn't say to make it an off-road animal.....but rather improve it's performance over stock. I've got a '97 Wrangler TJ "project" that never had the "trail rated" badge, but will outperform many other off road vehicles. A Jeep TJ "Rubicon".....which DOES have said "trail rated" badge, has many upgrades from the factory (lockers, for one) and makes my TJ look weak. And regardless of any "trail rated" badge......if you don't know how to 'wheel, you'll break shit and get your junk stuck. Case in point.....the military HMMV is an extreamly capable vehicle.......and privates are constantly breaking 'em...and getting 'em stuck! As for a "trail rated" Compass? Hell.....I've got nothing....
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Posted: 6/1/2008 2:40:32 PM EST
2003 TJ Rubicons DID NOT! have the mall rated badge!
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Posted: 6/2/2008 12:57:31 AM EST
Actually, I don't believe Jeep started with any of the "trail rated" bullshit until sometime after '03. I guess the best way to look at it is to compare it to Chevy tagging things with "SS". Take a Camaro and, thru performance options, get one with an "SS" on it.....and you've got a Corvette killer. Add the "SS" to an Impala.......not quite the performance of an "F-body", but still quick. Now......add an "SS" to the Colbalt????
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Posted: 6/2/2008 11:20:18 PM EST
Some jeep folks get serious about the trail rated badge. I know on the grand cherokee there is a belief that if you get the 18 inch rims you won't get the badge, but 17 inch rims can get the badge.
My personal opinion is that it probably does help some folks seperate the bad weater awd stuff from the 4 low 4x4 offerings. I owned an oldsmobile bravada with awd and if you messed around in the mud with it you could overheat its awd transfer case. A very similar chevy blazer with a real 4x4 transfer case could do that stuff all day long and not overheat the transfer case fluid. I do consider it marketing and since jeep markets their name they may as well market badges as well. If I ever find a mall rated badge in person I plan to buy it and put it on the passenger side of the vehicle where there is no trail rated badge. I own a jeep. It is what it is and if I get bored I might just pull the trail rated badge off and stick it on something else. |
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