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Posted: 5/1/2011 8:33:04 PM EDT
Talking about the stupid "bus driver" hats. We've still got um. Only have to wear them at roll call, Class A affairs, special events (details) and if the news media shows up. They don't serve any pratical purpose, it's something else you have to keep up with, in a crowd of drunks you're gonna lose it and THEY LOOK STUPID. ALL of our past chiefs seem to love them for some reason. We're not alowed to wear ball caps BTW
Link Posted: 5/1/2011 10:08:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By tango59:
Talking about the stupid "bus driver" hats. We've still got um. Only have to wear them at roll call, Class A affairs, special events (details) and if the news media shows up. They don't serve any pratical purpose, it's something else you have to keep up with, in a crowd of drunks you're gonna lose it and THEY LOOK STUPID. ALL of our past chiefs seem to love them for some reason. We're not alowed to wear ball caps BTW


Do you happen to work a little south of Cookeville? If so, you're not the first that I've heard complain about this.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 3:45:38 AM EDT
Yeah my last department had the bus driver hats also. However if you think you had it bad, we were required to wear them EVERYTIME we exited our vehicle. Thats right kids, on traffic stops, domestics, you name it. If a staff member drove by you on a hot scene and you didnt have your hat on, expect a meeting with the Lt after tomorrows briefing and a letter going in your file.

Safety isnt important, looking professional is!
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 4:06:58 AM EDT
I've always wondered what the rationale for those were. Another thing that gets me is white uniforms. WTF? I can't help but to think that they all have sweat stains and pick up every piece of dirt.... But it's professional.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 4:09:32 AM EDT
I think they look sharp for class A type stuff. As practical duty headgear, not so much.

FWIW in TDCJ they used to make us wear ties on a daily basis.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 6:11:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2011 6:15:33 AM EDT by RedRyder21]
Originally Posted By USP45Tim:
I've always wondered what the rationale for those were. Another thing that gets me is white uniforms. WTF? I can't help but to think that they all have sweat stains and pick up every piece of dirt.... But it's professional.


I will work for an agency where I have to carry a sidearm other than my beloved Glock 22, but I draw the line at white shirts!

My first L.E. job was in a county jail where we wore black BDU's. A co-work accidentally bumped into me and spilled an entire cup of coffee on my uniform. I finished the rest of the shift with the uniform and nobody could tell. Washed it once to get the coffee smell out and nobody could tell the difference!

My opinion is if by the end of your shift, if you aren't dirty, sweaty, and stink then you aren't doing your job!
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 6:15:32 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Kingpin38506:
Originally Posted By tango59:
Talking about the stupid "bus driver" hats. We've still got um. Only have to wear them at roll call, Class A affairs, special events (details) and if the news media shows up. They don't serve any pratical purpose, it's something else you have to keep up with, in a crowd of drunks you're gonna lose it and THEY LOOK STUPID. ALL of our past chiefs seem to love them for some reason. We're not alowed to wear ball caps BTW


Do you happen to work a little south of Cookeville? If so, you're not the first that I've heard complain about this.


Memphis PD. We've got a new director and hopefully that's one of the changes he'll make.

Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:11:27 AM EDT
We didn't go with white, but we did light grey shirts as they did a much better job at hiding a lot of dirt.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:28:06 AM EDT
Originally Posted By brhughes:
Yeah my last department had the bus driver hats also. However if you think you had it bad, we were required to wear them EVERYTIME we exited our vehicle. Thats right kids, on traffic stops, domestics, you name it. If a staff member drove by you on a hot scene and you didnt have your hat on, expect a meeting with the Lt after tomorrows briefing and a letter going in your file.

Safety isnt important, looking professional is!


Henrico County?
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:29:42 AM EDT
Have white uniform shirts for a volunteer EMS service I work for and it's almost impossible to look professional after a patient or two. Tried going to blue a few years ago...but wound up looking too much like the local PD and had everyone wanting to fight with us. Not easy to keep a back up shirt handy when we work almost exclusively standby at events with no locker or good place to keep a button down shirt without rolling it up into a go bag. Stained or wrinkled is the only way to go once something happens. Its a pain in the ass.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:37:23 AM EDT
our hats only come out for class A events (parades, ceremonies etc). Only time I wore mine on the road other than that was if it was raining cats and dogs.

J-
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 7:43:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2011 7:46:23 AM EDT by _DR]
AS a non-leo, I will say I really like the stetsons our DPS wear. Practical, professional and looks good. I also like the DI Smokey the bear type hats.

Most Texas DPS officers I have spoken in casual occasions seem to prefer the stetson as well.

Link Posted: 5/2/2011 10:34:59 AM EDT
Originally Posted By _DR:
AS a non-leo, I will say I really like the stetsons our DPS wear. Practical, professional and looks good. I also like the DI Smokey the bear type hats.

Most Texas DPS officers I have spoken in casual occasions seem to prefer the stetson as well.

http://i53.tinypic.com/ibfcxg.jpg


The amount of badass in that picture is insane.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 12:44:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Bonk2029:
Originally Posted By brhughes:
Yeah my last department had the bus driver hats also. However if you think you had it bad, we were required to wear them EVERYTIME we exited our vehicle. Thats right kids, on traffic stops, domestics, you name it. If a staff member drove by you on a hot scene and you didnt have your hat on, expect a meeting with the Lt after tomorrows briefing and a letter going in your file.

Safety isnt important, looking professional is!


Henrico County?



Haha. Its sad that you knew that.

Link Posted: 5/2/2011 1:21:11 PM EDT
Imagine having to wear cowboy hats.

Straw in the spring/summer and felt in the fall/winter.

Link Posted: 5/2/2011 2:22:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
AS a non-leo, I will say I really like the stetsons our DPS wear. Practical, professional and looks good. I also like the DI Smokey the bear type hats.

Most Texas DPS officers I have spoken in casual occasions seem to prefer the stetson as well.

http://i53.tinypic.com/ibfcxg.jpg

They aren't Stetson, they're Resistol, though I've heard more than once that they're made by a small shop in Austin.

What I do know, however is that my dept. wears the milkman hat, we all hate them, and my yankee chief hates my Resistol. Fortunately we also have ball caps and aren't required to wear the milkman hat. I don't even have one.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 2:28:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2011 2:30:20 PM EDT by Tango7]
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 3:49:16 PM EDT
We only have to wear ours for special events...which is still pretty rare.

I remember working on 3rd shift years ago and we would have 'lid night' where we would all wear our hats just to be stupid.

Good times...good times...
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 4:18:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By brhughes:
Originally Posted By Bonk2029:
Originally Posted By brhughes:
Yeah my last department had the bus driver hats also. However if you think you had it bad, we were required to wear them EVERYTIME we exited our vehicle. Thats right kids, on traffic stops, domestics, you name it. If a staff member drove by you on a hot scene and you didnt have your hat on, expect a meeting with the Lt after tomorrows briefing and a letter going in your file.

Safety isnt important, looking professional is!


Henrico County?



Haha. Its sad that you knew that.



One of the guys did about 15 months there after his wife scored a job in Richmond. She got downsized and they moved back here. Whenever I ask him what the thought of the agency, he always starts with "Holy f*** the hats....!"
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 4:41:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By USP45Tim:
I've always wondered what the rationale for those were. Another thing that gets me is white uniforms. WTF? I can't help but to think that they all have sweat stains and pick up every piece of dirt.... But it's professional.


I asked that question once...
I was told that a study was conducted concerning the number one authority symbol recognized by the public at large. The hat with badge affixed was top of that list. The number one hat on that list was the Campaign hat (Smokey Bear). Next was the bus driver hat. Both most likely because of their military influence.
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 5:05:52 PM EDT
These are the hats that are the standard for the Buckeye State Sheriff's Association:




Thankfully I work for one of the counties that wear these:

Link Posted: 5/2/2011 5:44:19 PM EDT
I work the day shift and and a ball cap would keep the sun out of my eyes and protect the bald spot. So how do you get the admins to change ?
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 9:26:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/2/2011 9:30:01 PM EDT by wrightone]
Originally Posted By brhughes:
Yeah my last department had the bus driver hats also. However if you think you had it bad, we were required to wear them EVERYTIME we exited our vehicle. Thats right kids, on traffic stops, domestics, you name it. If a staff member drove by you on a hot scene and you didnt have your hat on, expect a meeting with the Lt after tomorrows briefing and a letter going in your file.

Ditto at a previous department....
Link Posted: 5/2/2011 10:10:45 PM EDT
Hats? We don't need no stinking hats!

There is a town around here that if you're caught not wearing your cover it's an automatic 2 day suspension.
Link Posted: 5/3/2011 6:03:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By SniperKage:

Originally Posted By _DR:
AS a non-leo, I will say I really like the stetsons our DPS wear. Practical, professional and looks good. I also like the DI Smokey the bear type hats.

Most Texas DPS officers I have spoken in casual occasions seem to prefer the stetson as well.

http://i53.tinypic.com/ibfcxg.jpg

They aren't Stetson, they're Resistol, though I've heard more than once that they're made by a small shop in Austin.



I stand corrected! Very professional looking either way.
Link Posted: 5/3/2011 8:55:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:
Originally Posted By SniperKage:

Originally Posted By _DR:
AS a non-leo, I will say I really like the stetsons our DPS wear. Practical, professional and looks good. I also like the DI Smokey the bear type hats.

Most Texas DPS officers I have spoken in casual occasions seem to prefer the stetson as well.

http://i53.tinypic.com/ibfcxg.jpg

They aren't Stetson, they're Resistol, though I've heard more than once that they're made by a small shop in Austin.



I stand corrected! Very professional looking either way.

Easy mistake, they're the same company, basically.
Link Posted: 5/3/2011 12:08:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tin_Star:
Originally Posted By USP45Tim:
I've always wondered what the rationale for those were. Another thing that gets me is white uniforms. WTF? I can't help but to think that they all have sweat stains and pick up every piece of dirt.... But it's professional.


I asked that question once...
I was told that a study was conducted concerning the number one authority symbol recognized by the public at large. The hat with badge affixed was top of that list. The number one hat on that list was the Campaign hat (Smokey Bear). Next was the bus driver hat. Both most likely because of their military influence.

Fair enough. Thanks for the info.
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