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Posted: 8/7/2005 10:18:57 AM EDT
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:22:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 10:22:17 AM EDT by w4klr]
I'd shit on the employer if I lost my job to an illegal by dropping the dime to the IRS at the end of the year.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:23:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?


$20.00 an hour? More like half that.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:29:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:
I'd shit on the employer if I lost my job to an illegal by dropping the dime to the IRS at the end of the year.



IRS will not care because the employer/employee will pay income tax and SS/FICA on a fake SSN. Don't assume all illegals are hired/paid under-the-table.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:32:45 AM EDT
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:33:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 10:35:18 AM EDT by OmegaMan]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


And the quality of their work as bad as their English.

Horrible quality. Sloppy workmanship. No pride in the product.

Whether it's a burger at a burger joint, a yardfull of landscaping or a construction jobsite - quality has been dropping like a rock for the past 10-20 years.

Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:35:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 10:36:02 AM EDT by NoVaGator]

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



they can't be a lot worse than the stoners that they replaced....

it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:35:30 AM EDT
When was the last time you saw a non-immigrant lawn care crew? I have no problem if they came in legally, but I have serious doubts that many if not most did it the right way.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:38:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By spartacus2002:

Originally Posted By w4klr:
I'd shit on the employer if I lost my job to an illegal by dropping the dime to the IRS at the end of the year.



IRS will not care because the employer/employee will pay income tax and SS/FICA on a fake SSN. Don't assume all illegals are hired/paid under-the-table.


Yep, they pay into the bogus accounts, with zero intention of ever withdrawing the money. It's a win-win situtation for the employer and the government. I once worked on a long-term disability system for a major department store in So. Calif, and the system had problems because it was keyed on SSN assuming that each SSN was unique, but we had SSNs with multiple different names.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 10:55:37 AM EDT
My mom had to look around hard to find a yard crew and a painting crew without Mexicans in it. She hired one yard company on the condition that Mexicans not be in the yard crew. Mexicans didn't show up the first time around, but the 2nd crew was all Mexican. Needless today, they were not invited back to cut the lawn a 3rd time. Finding a good all-native house painting crew wasn't as hard, and they did a fine job on the trim.

Galland

Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:00:29 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:04:04 AM EDT
In my area there is one illegal lawn care crew and they have been busted before.
The rest are owned by either cops or firemen who run them on their days off.


Originally Posted By gus:
When was the last time you saw a non-immigrant lawn care crew? I have no problem if they came in legally, but I have serious doubts that many if not most did it the right way.

Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:04:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
Roofing is like 50% illegals here ... I have no idea who's doing the other half.



The meth tweakers of course.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:12:34 AM EDT
They seem to be getting into auto shops as well.

The other day I had my car serviced at a local shop that has a good reputation of quality work, only to find that the mexicans forgot to change the oil filter.

So, I took the car back and got a new oil and filter change for free.

I think I'll go back to doing it myself, like I have for the past 25+ years.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:19:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
Roofing is like 50% illegals here ... I have no idea who's doing the other half.



I don't care what anyone says, but I work for a roofing company and we've hired plenty of white and black crews before. The majority just don't like doing the work, and they do crappy work at that. They'd rather sit on their ass with a nail gun and pop in shingles without watching what they are doing. While most of the mexican, hispanic, hell we even had an italian crew. They didn't mind getting on that roof wtih a hammer and doing the job correctly.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:27:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 11:28:43 AM EDT by Lakeguy]
Try working at a golf course in SW. Florida. The only people that AREN'T illegals/immigrants are the superintendants and the mechanics like myself.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:28:01 AM EDT
<----- IN the construction trade(s)


It's already rampant here. And I don't mean with landscapers and painters only, either.

Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:40:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SirDrinksAlot:

Originally Posted By Paul:
Roofing is like 50% illegals here ... I have no idea who's doing the other half.



I don't care what anyone says, but I work for a roofing company and we've hired plenty of white and black crews before. The majority just don't like doing the work, and they do crappy work at that. They'd rather sit on their ass with a nail gun and pop in shingles without watching what they are doing. While most of the mexican, hispanic, hell we even had an italian crew. They didn't mind getting on that roof wtih a hammer and doing the job correctly.




That's great....... I see the same thing, but HIRE ONLY FUCKING LEGAL INDIVIDUALS and this becomes a non-issue.

You are totally missing the point. But you're young so it's understandable.

Trust me...... The shit looks a LOT different after you've been in the business for so many years.


And it's as much the fault of the dirtbags who HIRE all the fence jumpers, as the fence jumpers themselves. They sure like all that extra loot in their pockets, that they dont have to pay anymore to the gov't and/or benefits, etc.

It's a bad situation, and it's only going to get worse, unless there's a HUGE crackdown on the illegal issue.

Don't see that happening though, to be quite honest.


Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:51:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



they can't be a lot worse than the stoners that they replaced....Hell most of them are stoners too, so you only replaced the nationality of the stoner...

it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock

Link Posted: 8/7/2005 11:58:37 AM EDT
You get what you pay for.

Want cheap labor? Then you will get cheap results from your employees.

And the funny thing, the new wave of ilegals has put the last wave out of work. The new guys are willing to work for even less money than last weeks illegal!

Pretty soon, they will have to work for free or even to PAY for the privelage of having a job.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:01:12 PM EDT
Trades the illegals are taking over:

Gang crime
Rape
Murder
Assault
Grand theft auto
Organized crime
Theft
Armed Robbery
Fraud
False Identity
Identity theft
Vandalism
Littering
Criminal trespass
Poaching
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:04:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:06:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:
I'd shit on the employer if I lost my job to an illegal by dropping the dime to the IRS at the end of the year.



They don't care.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:06:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



+1
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:10:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.



You win the moronic comment of the day award.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:10:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.



And HE had the right idea about how to deal with the problem.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:12:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.



Jump back over that fence.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:29:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?


$20.00 an hour? More like half that. minimum wage



fixed it for ya.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 12:35:41 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:15:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 1:18:16 PM EDT by MetalChef]
Anything below high end/fine cooking in the culinary industry. And the only reason why they are not taking over the high end is because you just can't show someone how to do what we do and expect them to produce. You really don't want someone who you can't talk to straight and does not understand cooking destroying $50+ in sauce ingredients.

Anything under that, and if you are not a illegal, you will be pushed out by the others. I recall a time when your first job was fast food..not anymore.

And for the record, I don't hate Mexicans. I hate people who violate our laws, don't assimulate into our culture and think they are better than us. If they are here legally, welcome to the US! If you are illegal-GO HOME!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:22:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlueEyedEvil:

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.



And HE had the right idea about how to deal with the problem.




Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:23:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattja:

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.



You win the moronic comment of the day award.



I think the moron looked at the WRONG liberal brain trust baseless attack statement strategy page
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:24:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



they can't be a lot worse than the stoners that they replaced....

it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock



I did some sheetrocking with a hippie many years ago, you would have been quite pleased
with the work that he did, assuming you can tell the difference between good work and crap
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:26:02 PM EDT
Don't even get me started.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:29:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.



Living in PA it will likely be a few more years before you realize the extent of the problem.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:30:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.



So Jews were sneaking into his country and f*cking it up? No wonder he hated them so much...
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:30:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



they can't be a lot worse than the stoners that they replaced....

it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock



I did some sheetrocking with a hippie many years ago, you would have been quite pleased
with the work that he did, assuming you can tell the difference between good work and crap



there's a big difference between hippies and stoners....

Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:32:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



they can't be a lot worse than the stoners that they replaced....

it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock



I did some sheetrocking with a hippie many years ago, you would have been quite pleased
with the work that he did, assuming you can tell the difference between good work and crap



there's a big difference between hippies and stoners....




Stoners aren't necessarily socialists?
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:43:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By w4klr:
I'd shit on the employer if I lost my job to an illegal by dropping the dime to the IRS at the end of the year.



FYI - They don't care.

Gracias senor Bush!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:49:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



they can't be a lot worse than the stoners tweekers that they replaced....

it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock



Fixed it for ya
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:50:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gus:

Originally Posted By SemperParatusEmt:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
There used to be some skilled trades jobs that americans without a formal education could make a good living doing. Contruction and auto repair for men, and waitressing for women. Those jobs paid well enough that you could raise a family on that income. In Southern California legal citizens have been practically forced out of that market by illegal immigrants. You rarely see american born english speaking construction workers here anymore.


My brother makes a living working highway construction. He makes damn god money doing it too, over $30.00 an hour. I wonder if he will have a job when his employer figures out an illegal will do it for $20.00 an hour under the table?



You know there was another guy who thought this way, Hitler.



So Jews were sneaking into his country and f*cking it up? No wonder he hated them so much...



Heh
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:52:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Barrelburner:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



they can't be a lot worse than the stoners tweekers that they replaced....

it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock



Fixed it for ya




doh

I totally forgot that the stoners all became tweekers!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:53:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JB69:

That's great....... I see the same thing, but HIRE ONLY FUCKING LEGAL INDIVIDUALS and this becomes a non-issue.




Easier said than done.

While building my house, I hired a legal individual to do the drywall. 100% legal US business. When I came out on weekend to see work, He was there, along with all his cousins who drove up from Mexico to do the job in 2 days. Even had Mexican plates on their truck, spoke no english.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 1:56:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By JB69:

That's great....... I see the same thing, but HIRE ONLY FUCKING LEGAL INDIVIDUALS and this becomes a non-issue.




Easier said than done.

While building my house, I hired a legal individual to do the drywall. 100% legal US business. When I came out on weekend to see work, He was there, along with all his cousins who drove up from Mexico to do the job in 2 days. Even had Mexican plates on their truck, spoke no english.



If they just drove up, can I assume they didn't "sneak" into the country? Maybe they have their paperwork in order. Also, did they go back to Mexico when they were done?
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 2:00:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gus:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By NoVaGator:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The drywall trade around here is totally Mexican now....and they do shitty work!



they can't be a lot worse than the stoners that they replaced....

it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock



I did some sheetrocking with a hippie many years ago, you would have been quite pleased
with the work that he did, assuming you can tell the difference between good work and crap



there's a big difference between hippies and stoners....



Stoners aren't necessarily socialists?



he was a sheetrocker that wore ragged clothes had long hair and got high\drunk every day
it was a really sad thing to watch, but he could sheetrock(and stiltwalk)with the best of them
(we didn't talk about politics, and it has been so long I don't remember anything he said)
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 2:10:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 2:13:25 PM EDT
... Yup, just about any low-skilled position is being taken over by illegals. Medium to high tech jobs are only marginally safe.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 2:14:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:
In my area there is one illegal lawn care crew and they have been busted before.
The rest are owned by either cops or firemen who run them on their days off.






So, it's either deal with illegal immigrants, or deal with corruption. Great!
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 2:41:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/7/2005 2:52:02 PM EDT by KlubMarcus]

Originally Posted By NoVaGator: they can't be a lot worse than the stoners that they replaced.... it's not as if old world craftsmen were hanging 'rock
I think someone already this on a list, but the illegals are taking over the prostitution too!

I once saw an illegal-alien prostitute trying to bum a ride back to her barrio in spanish with a few broken English words thrown in. Ha Ha Ha! I told her I don't speak spanish and watched her go back to knocking door to door. This was around 6:30 am so I guess she just finished her "shift".
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 2:49:01 PM EDT
Living in PA it will likely be a few more years before you realize the extent of the problem.

While border states do have a larger problem, there is still a problem with illegal immigrants in PA and other non-border states. Loads of illegal mexicans, central americans, middle easterners, and other around here in PA.
Link Posted: 8/7/2005 2:51:37 PM EDT
If you have access to Law Enforcement bulletins, you know what trade most illegal Mexican and Central Americans are excelling in.....



C R I M E


Statistics and pure numbers speak for themselves. Google "Mara Salvatrucha" if you want to know the latest trend.
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