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Posted: 3/16/2011 11:03:00 AM EST
The Germans do not take this stuff lightly.


http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/28/tourist-arrested-for-giving-nazi-salute-outside-german-parliamen/?ncid=txtlnkustrav00000003

A Canadian tourist has been arrested in Berlin after giving a Nazi salute in front of Germany's parliament building, the Reichstag, on Saturday.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:03:34 AM EST
Good
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:03:57 AM EST


Police state is still strong i see.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:05:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By monkeymagic:
Good


+1. No one needs totalitarianism whether it is German, Soviet or from Bush or Zero.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:06:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Originally Posted By monkeymagic:
Good


+1. No one needs totalitarianism whether it is German, Soviet or from Bush or Zero.


irony?
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:08:51 AM EST
Arresting that person for expressing themselves is totalitarian.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:09:32 AM EST
At least is was a Canadian....
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:10:56 AM EST
Internet Poster Mocked For Capitalizing Every Word in Title
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:11:15 AM EST
I agree that people should have freedom of expression.

I also believe that anyone planning to visit Austria or Germany and doesn't know through research that doing stuff like this is illegal is at best ignorant, and at worst, a colossal moron.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:12:06 AM EST
Play stupid games.....


Of course it's also a little absurd to go to jail for clicking your heels, holding one hand up and shouting "Ja wohl, mein Fuhre!". But the Germans really do take a dim view of that shit.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:15:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By Cromlech:
I agree that people should have freedom of expression.

I also believe that anyone planning to visit Austria or Germany and doesn't know through research that doing stuff like this is illegal is at best ignorant, and at worst, a colossal moron.



Ding Ding Ding.


Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:17:54 AM EST
Uhhhh, shouldn't foreigners be given a pass on this, especially US, Canadian, French, or UK? After all, we're kind of the reason for those laws in the 1st place.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:18:18 AM EST
They take that shit REAL seriously over there. Last time I was there, a gentleman I was talking to in a bar actually apologized for WWII. It's a part of their history they don't want repeated.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:19:16 AM EST
I wonder what the sentence for such a crime is.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:19:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By Cromlech:
I agree that people should have freedom of expression.

I also believe that anyone planning to visit Austria or Germany and doesn't know through research that doing stuff like this is illegal is at best ignorant, and at worst, a colossal moron.



I agree completely.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:22:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By Cromlech:
I agree that people should have freedom of expression.

I also believe that anyone planning to visit Austria or Germany and doesn't know through research that doing stuff like this is illegal is at best ignorant, and at worst, a colossal moron.



yep for sure it is very very illegal.
You can not even utter the word H.. H... or have any sort of patches or anything.

People have to understand this is a very touchy subject in Germany and it is a law that like every law has to be followed.

There are laws in the US I do not agree with but I have to follow them.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:23:27 AM EST
Originally Posted By Carbine_Emissions:
Internet Poster Mocked For Capitalizing Every Word in Title


Internet poster has about 8 years more time on this board than some Noobs, yes that is Capitalized.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:23:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By ttam281:
They take that shit REAL seriously over there. Last time I was there, a gentleman I was talking to in a bar actually apologized for WWII. It's a part of their history they don't want repeated.



Unless he shot at people in WWII, wtf does he have to apologize for?

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:23:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
I wonder what the sentence for such a crime is.

Re-Education w/ a healthy segment of Diverse German citizens:


Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:25:33 AM EST
I heard you cant have a picture of anything related to the Nazis, I think I remember reading about some dude that got arrested for taking a picture of a wax figure of Hitler in a German museum.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:26:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By speedracer422:

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
I wonder what the sentence for such a crime is.

Re-Education w/ a healthy segment of Diverse German citizens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHCaiDYYGNU

Well that's strange, I seem to like rap when it's done in German.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:26:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 11:28:45 AM EST by Seven-Shooter]
IIRC, It's also illegal to have a visual representation of a swastika unless it's part of a historical display.


They don't fuck around over there. There is no "hey, let's do this to be funny," there is simply jail time. I'd imagine that having your country ground into the dirt twice in one century would be enough to warrant such things.


ETA: Reason I know about the swastika thing––Anyone notice how in BF1942 or Battlefield 2 (or on many of the "realism mods" for either), there's no swastikas on German stuff represented in-game? It's because it could get the end-users arrested, depending on if they reside in certain european countries.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:27:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:

Originally Posted By speedracer422:

Originally Posted By larkinmusic:
I wonder what the sentence for such a crime is.

Re-Education w/ a healthy segment of Diverse German citizens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHCaiDYYGNU

Well that's strange, I seem to like rap when it's done in German.



That's racist!

Er...wait? LOL.
I'd call it: mildly tolerable

YMMV

Speed
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:27:54 AM EST
You don't spit gum out on the sidewalk in Singapore.
You don't yell the N word in South Philadelphia.
You don't wear orange in Dublin on St. Patrick's Day.
You don't root for Dallas in New York City.
You don't wear a hat at the Alamo.
...
And you don't even think about mentioning the Nazis in Germany.


It's really not that hard. Just follow the local rules and customs.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:28:21 AM EST
Thank god it wasn't an American.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:29:20 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 11:36:59 AM EST by MACGI98Z28]
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
Arresting that person for expressing themselves is totalitarian.


Everyplace isn't the US. Their country, their laws...Good tourists obey them. Germans are a bit sensitive about the movement that got their country reduced to kibble and split down the middle for 45 odd years.

Don't act like a moron when you are a guest in someone else's country.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:31:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
Play stupid games.....


Of course it's also a little absurd to go to jail for clicking your heels, holding one hand up and shouting "Ja wohl, mein Fuhre!". But the Germans really do take a dim view of that shit.

This. Of all the people I know that have told me about their visits to germany, the one thing no one has ever said is "Hey, you know who has a real sense of humor? German police."
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:32:55 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:34:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By Soybomb:
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:
Play stupid games.....


Of course it's also a little absurd to go to jail for clicking your heels, holding one hand up and shouting "Ja wohl, mein Fuhre!". But the Germans really do take a dim view of that shit.

This. Of all the people I know that have told me about their visits to germany, the one thing no one has ever said is "Hey, you know who has a real sense of humor? Germans."


fixed it

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:36:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By speedracer422:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHCaiDYYGNU
Garbage in any language!!!!

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:36:30 AM EST
In other news, REAL German NEONAZIs hold rallys and stomp around the country unchecked while the Polizei are busy arresting tourists. It's a growing problem that many are turning a blind eye to.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:37:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
You don't spit gum out on the sidewalk in Singapore.
You don't yell the N word in South Philadelphia.
You don't wear orange in Dublin on St. Patrick's Day.
You don't root for Dallas in New York City.
You don't wear a hat at the Alamo.
...
And you don't even think about mentioning the Nazis in Germany.


It's really not that hard. Just follow the local rules and customs.


There are people who root for Dallas? Anywhere? Yikes!
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:40:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By peekay:


Police state is still strong i see.



Not really. german Police are pretty good. Going to another country and making a crass and insensitive gesture of this nature is going to land you in trouble.

If I went and stood outside the Capitol with an inciteful placard, I;d probably be arrested as well.

Hell, If I come over to the US and take a picture of the Saudi Embassy I'll get arrested.

They guy was a dickhead. Should have shown some respect.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:40:38 AM EST
They are ashamed of that part of their history.

IIRC, the only reason they allowed Inglorious Basterds to play there (because it showed Swastikas) was because it was considered a work of art, and therefore deemed acceptable.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:44:41 AM EST
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
Arresting that person for expressing themselves is totalitarian.


While I agree, the Germans have a different, and valid, view of the topic.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:45:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 11:48:14 AM EST by TrojanMan]
Originally Posted By Shane333:
Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
You don't spit gum out on the sidewalk in Singapore.
You don't yell the N word in South Philadelphia.
You don't wear orange in Dublin on St. Patrick's Day.
You don't root for Dallas in New York City.
You don't wear a hat at the Alamo.
...
And you don't even think about mentioning the Nazis in Germany.


It's really not that hard. Just follow the local rules and customs.


There are people who root for Dallas? Anywhere? Yikes!


They're everywhere and 99% of them are posers.

ETA: That said, any woman wearing a pink Romo jersey can be coaxed into giving you fellatio by buying her three Coors Lights. So, there's that, if that's your game.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:48:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 11:49:27 AM EST by 1Andy2]
Originally Posted By Agent_Funky:
Originally Posted By peekay:


Police state is still strong i see.



Not really. german Police are pretty good. Going to another country and making a crass and insensitive gesture of this nature is going to land you in trouble.

If I went and stood outside the Capitol with an inciteful placard, I;d probably be arrested as well.

Hell, If I come over to the US and take a picture of the Saudi Embassy I'll get arrested.

They guy was a dickhead. Should have shown some respect.


The US capitol? No, you wouldn't. There was a guy who stood in Times Square recently and publicly tore up a Koran while surrounded by an angry mob and was not arrested for it. The KKK has sued and won in court over being able to demonstrate in Skokie, Illinois.

The freedom of speech is still going pretty strong here. The guy may have been crass and insensitive, but I'd say his message was fairly accurate considering they arrested him for it.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:50:19 AM EST
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:52:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By Molotov357:
Arresting that person for expressing themselves is totalitarian.


The German's have laws against such behavior IIRC.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:52:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Originally Posted By monkeymagic:
Good


+1. No one needs totalitarianism whether it is German, Soviet or from Bush or Zero.


irony?
Yep.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:53:32 AM EST
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:
The Germans do not take this stuff lightly.


http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/28/tourist-arrested-for-giving-nazi-salute-outside-german-parliamen/?ncid=txtlnkustrav00000003

A Canadian tourist has been arrested in Berlin after giving a Nazi salute in front of Germany's parliament building, the Reichstag, on Saturday.


I see what you did there. BUNDESTAG please!

After the reunification of Germany on October 3, 1990, the building underwent reconstruction led by internationally renowned architect Norman Foster. After its completion in 1999, it became the meeting place of the modern German parliament, the Bundestag.

While I value and cherish our right to free speech in America, and I believe it to be a fundamental human right, I fully understand and support Germany's very limited prohibition on such speech - given their past.

Wife is German. She can proudly point to her Polish last name and her Polish grandfather's combat record as an anti-Nazi partisan fighter who joined up with our U.S.G.I.'s fighting in Germany after D-Day. Yes, we DO take these things very very seriously indeed.

Hope that jack-hole tourist gets the book thrown at him.

BTW - I made the mistake of calling their current parliament "reichstag" only once when we were 1st dating.

Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:55:21 AM EST
I've often wondered what would happen if someone were to go to a fairly large German beer hall find themselves an out of the way corner and started playing the Horst Wessel song on an accordion or something like that. Would anybody notice or object? Would anybody reckonize the song? Just Wondering!
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:58:42 AM EST
Tourists...Oy vey!
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:58:59 AM EST
The man earned a honorable mention for a Darwin Award.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 11:59:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By Silence:
Originally Posted By 4v50:
Originally Posted By monkeymagic:
Good


+1. No one needs totalitarianism whether it is German, Soviet or from Bush or Zero.


irony?


Seriously. anti-freedom much?
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 12:00:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By Seven-Shooter:
IIRC, It's also illegal to have a visual representation of a swastika unless it's part of a historical display.


They don't fuck around over there. There is no "hey, let's do this to be funny," there is simply jail time. I'd imagine that having your country ground into the dirt twice in one century would be enough to warrant such things.


ETA: Reason I know about the swastika thing––Anyone notice how in BF1942 or Battlefield 2 (or on many of the "realism mods" for either), there's no swastikas on German stuff represented in-game? It's because it could get the end-users arrested, depending on if they reside in certain european countries.


The Eagle's Nest is completely scrubbed of anything nazi related. Apparently there used to be two huge swastikas inlaid in the wall outside the elevator entrance that they jack-hammered out. I think it's a shame, actually.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 12:06:18 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/16/2011 12:06:44 PM EST by chairforce26]
Germany will never again be a great and powerful nation (or a threat) as long as it's citizens remain neutered. It was the Western Allies that made Germany feel shame over the last 60 years, not the Soviets. Most Neo-Nazi groups in Germany hail from the former East Germany.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 12:09:53 PM EST

Originally Posted By CBR900:
Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:
The Germans do not take this stuff lightly.


http://news.travel.aol.com/2011/02/28/tourist-arrested-for-giving-nazi-salute-outside-german-parliamen/?ncid=txtlnkustrav00000003

A Canadian tourist has been arrested in Berlin after giving a Nazi salute in front of Germany's parliament building, the Reichstag, on Saturday.


I see what you did there. BUNDESTAG please!

After the reunification of Germany on October 3, 1990, the building underwent reconstruction led by internationally renowned architect Norman Foster. After its completion in 1999, it became the meeting place of the modern German parliament, the Bundestag.

While I value and cherish our right to free speech in America, and I believe it to be a fundamental human right, I fully understand and support Germany's very limited prohibition on such speech - given their past.

Wife is German. She can proudly point to her Polish last name and her Polish grandfather's combat record as an anti-Nazi partisan fighter who joined up with our U.S.G.I.'s fighting in Germany after D-Day. Yes, we DO take these things very very seriously indeed.

Hope that jack-hole tourist gets the book thrown at him.

BTW - I made the mistake of calling their current parliament "reichstag" only once when we were 1st dating.


My mother is German and half my family lives just north of Bonn. I'm ASHAMED they arrested a tourist instead of the thriving neo-nazi moment growing among the poorer Germans. I guess a tourist isn't likely to knife you or beat you to death.

PATHETIC.
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 12:11:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By monkeymagic:
Good


Seriously? This is a good thing to you?
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 12:15:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 3/16/2011 12:15:35 PM EST
ignorance of the law...........
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