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Posted: 9/16/2004 8:57:50 PM EDT
I took my No-bans to the indoor range yesterday, and one has a Phantom, one has a Vortex. The range I go to is dimly lit over the booth area. When shooting with the Phantom, I noticed very little or no flash whatsoever. The Vortex equipped rifle left a very small, but definately more noticeable flash than the phantom. Granted, it was not totally dark, just a little bit dim. Same ammo, same barrel length. I know this goes against what most people say about these two flash hiders, but it's what I saw with my own two eyes. My friend was there, and he noticed the same thing.
Link Posted: 9/16/2004 9:48:39 PM EDT
ok, so what are the other details?

what ammo, length of barrel, gas system, etc?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:43:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 8:44:29 PM EDT by lu380]
Ammo: Q3131A
Barrels: both 14.5" Bushmaster 1/9
Gas system: standard carbine length gas tubes

Again, this was just my observation from inside a dimly lit indoor range, not total darkness.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:48:27 PM EDT
GASP!!!

HERETIC!!!
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:51:50 PM EDT
Obviously your eyes are out of calibration. Get new ones.

Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:58:07 PM EDT
Thanks, but isn't half the fun of going to an indoor range watching your targets burst into flames?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 9:19:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Obviously your eyes are out of calibration. Get new ones.




I speak (type) the truth! Nothing against the Vortex, just an observation I wasn't able to make for myself before 9/13.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 9:25:10 PM EDT
Which range was this?

jafager
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 12:16:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jafager:
Which range was this?

jafager



Classic Pistol in Bensalem
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 12:22:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 12:41:30 PM EDT by DJbump]
Is your Vortex a copy-cat or is it a verified Smith Enterprises Vortex?
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 12:27:51 PM EDT
Yikes... I just blew $50.00 on the Vortex...hope I didn't waste a $20.00!

Regards,
Gary
Link Posted: 9/18/2004 1:06:01 PM EDT
How can you tell the difference in a real and copy cat Vortex? I just bought one today at the show and it looks nice, the 4 prongs do not have much of a tist to them though. They are straight and kinda offset from one another. Havent shot it yet, but it sure looks sweet........ Was only 32.00
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:44:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DJbump:
Is your Vortex a copy-cat or is it a verified Smith Enterprises Vortex?



It is a real Vortex from G&R
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:10:47 AM EDT
I have ALWAYS liked the phantom better anyway. It looks way cooler too.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:19:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LastDefender:
Yikes... I just blew $50.00 on the Vortex...hope I didn't waste a $20.00!

Regards,
Gary



Same here!
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:22:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:24:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lu380:

Originally Posted By jafager:
Which range was this?

jafager



Classic Pistol in Bensalem



I thought it was in Southampton? I have been to that range a few times. It is a nice clean and well run place. The FA toys you can rent make the trip woth it.
Matt
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:25:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raf:
Which model Phantom? 4-slot or 5-slot? Prongs/wirecutter guides or not?



wirecutter?

i always thought those were for muzzle strikes / taking core samples!
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:27:46 AM EDT
I prefer the $8 three prong myself. Works about as well as the Vortex.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:51:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 7:52:43 AM EDT by ScaryGuy]
I have owned both, (Yes, it was a real Smith Vortex...)both do the job as well as the other.

The rest is just bullshit.

Oh, and the Phantom looks better, too...

SG
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 12:25:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raf:
Which model Phantom? 4-slot or 5-slot? Prongs/wirecutter guides or not?


5 slot without mini-bayonets
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 12:27:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By M1-Matt:

Originally Posted By lu380:

Originally Posted By jafager:
Which range was this?

jafager



Classic Pistol in Bensalem



I thought it was in Southampton? I have been to that range a few times. It is a nice clean and well run place. The FA toys you can rent make the trip woth it.
Matt



Southhampton is the same thing as Bensalem, only different.

Maybe you're right, I always confuse which suburb is which
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 12:28:49 PM EDT
I have seen Vortex knock-offs at shows - they don't have the right twist. If you look thru a gap in the prongs, you should see another prong, not an empty space.
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