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Posted: 10/5/2004 11:36:12 AM EST
In Michigan, you have to register any firearm that the length is under 30” as a pistol. I have just completed a Polish Underfolder AK47 kit and took it down to the cop shop for a “MI safety inspection”.

Here’s how it went:

First of all the clerk did not have a clue how to do it. I gave her a print out of the MI law that I had printed out from the internet. She started reading my stuff, which, as you can imagine, is very long. A cop walked by, looked at my rifle , and said it was illegal since it had a Bayonet lug on it. I told him nicely that the AWB bad sunset on Sept 14 and that this was a configuration that was now allowed. He then went on his way mumbling something under his breath that I did not hear thru the Bullet proof glass. The clerk was still reading the documentation. The next cop walks up and started finger fucking my rifle and asks me point blank if its “full auto”. I told him “no, it’s not, those are still regulated by the National Firearms Act of 1934, and thus not legal without jumping thru a bunch of hoops. I added that there are (5) U.S. made parts inside to comply with federal regulation 922r”. He then said the only time he seen one of these was when “getting shot at”. I said to him, “come on now”, in a don’t give me this bullshit tone, “people around here don’t shoot at your guys with AK-47’s”, and he laughed it off with a sheepish grin. I then said, “it would be pretty silly to bring an illegal weapon down here to the cop shop to get registered, now would’nt it?” He then walked away.

Man, when will they learn that the laws only apply to the law abiding people and that the criminal element ignores them.

At least I have a Polish under folder registered as a pistol here in MI. That means I can carry it under my CCW. I guess that 30 Rds. of 7.62x39 ends the 45ACP vs. 9MM which is better debate [:0]

Echap
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:39:33 AM EST
Which county, and did they register it?

Clinton county SO would register a brick as a handgun if you asked them to and paid the $12.00
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:42:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 11:43:27 AM EST by echap]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Which county, and did they register it?

Clinton county SO would register a brick as a handgun if you asked them to and paid the $12.00



Kent County, and yes, I have a green card. And no fee, go figure!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:42:56 AM EST
We don't have to conceal the rifles down here in Texas!



BigDozer66
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:43:01 AM EST
Let me know if you find an IWB holster for that thing.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:44:26 AM EST
What was the total cost for registering it, and do they still take a thumbprint? Its it still a triplicate form, one for you, one for the county, and one for the state?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:44:47 AM EST
We do have to conceal the handguns though as we have a Concealed Handgun License!



BigDozer66
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:45:12 AM EST
Canton MI, 1991. I took my CZ85 to the local PD to get the inspection. The inspecting officer kept playing with the safety to get it to decock. Finally he asked me how to decock it. He looked at me like I had a horn growing out of my head when I told him to put his thumb on the hammer, pull the trigger, and ride the hammer forward.


Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:45:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Let me know if you find an IWB holster for that thing.



I found one, but I am having trouble with the Bayonet jabbing my testicles
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:45:58 AM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Let me know if you find an IWB holster for that thing.



We just do it "Mexican Carry" style down here on the border!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:47:26 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 11:48:59 AM EST by echap]

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
What was the total cost for registering it, and do they still take a thumbprint? Its it still a triplicate form, one for you, one for the county, and one for the state?



Zero, nada, zilch. It was a FREEBIE from the the county

No thumbprint, I did sign triplicate forms. It was actually easy after she read the stuff.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:47:52 AM EST
You now have the coolest CCW gun in the state. Do you have a holster for it yet?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:48:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
Let me know if you find an IWB holster for that thing.



We just do it "Mexican Carry" style down here on the border!

BigDozer66



Yup.

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:52:43 AM EST
they make you register it as a handgun? that's fucked up
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:55:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By sharky30:
they make you register it as a handgun? that's fucked up



.......at least we can have it. I guess it's been that way since 1968. Right ,wrong, or indifferent, it's the way the law is and that's how I had to do it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:00:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
We don't have to conceal the rifles down here in Texas!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/BigDozer66/AK47underfolder2.jpg

BigDozer66



NICE IRON BigDozer!

Sly
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:01:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
We don't have to conceal the rifles down here in Texas!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/BigDozer66/AK47underfolder2.jpg

BigDozer66



That is a sweet rifle, where'd you get it?

Digital
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:04:08 PM EST
Echap,

I am glad that you posted, I am getting ready to assemble un underfolder and was wondering about the registration part. Did they give you any trouble since you built it? I would like to get an AK pistol just to take it in for the "safety inspection". The one moron that does most of the registration here is a total idoit. He keeps his finger on the trigger and points the weapon at everyone and their brother in the room. Last time I went in with a revolver, I opened the gate to show him that it was empty. I closed the cylinder and handed it to him. He fumbled around with it and asked me how to open the cylinder. Then he became real indigent when he asked where the safety was and I told him it didn't have one, the person carrying it was the safety.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:05:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
We do have to conceal the handguns though as we have a Concealed Handgun License!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/BigDozer66/Glock17withAcc2.jpg

BigDozer66



Wow!! A mean, green, kaboom machine.

Oops...sorry Dozer. Couldn't resist.

Nice looking rig. Seriously. I like the two tone look.


Good looking "pistol" you have there too echap. That would make a hell of a concealed carry outfit.

Here in Colorado we have "Concealed Pistol Permits". And rifles under 30" are still rifles. So handguns are all we get to carry. I think a mini-CAR would be cool.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:06:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:09:02 PM EST
nice!

amen; criminals BREAK the laws in the first place, what will make them FOLLOW the law inthe first place?????????



Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:09:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:09:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By Digitalpunk:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
We don't have to conceal the rifles down here in Texas!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/BigDozer66/AK47underfolder2.jpg

BigDozer66



That is a sweet rifle, where'd you get it?

Digital



It is a Global Trades - Arsenal USA model.

www.globaltrades.com

It all ILikeLegs fault that I own it!

Thanks Legs!

It shoots nice and makes a great teaching tool about how ignorant the AWB was in the first place!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:11:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By ilikelegs:

Originally Posted By BigDozer66:
We don't have to conceal the rifles down here in Texas!

img.photobucket.com/albums/v373/BigDozer66/AK47underfolder2.jpg

BigDozer66



Nice AK by the way.
It would look really good next to mine.
Where is your bayonet?

www.xzodus.com/guns/akunderfolder.jpg




I don't have one yet!

My 7.62 x 39 will not kill anyone at the moment because I don't have a bayonet on it.

Where did you get yours at?

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:20:22 PM EST
Ah the things we have to put up with just to stay legal. I feel your pain, but now you can have a nice big grin when you go shooting it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:21:53 PM EST
got me there
I'd have to find a pre 94 one and spend tons of money


Originally Posted By echap:

Originally Posted By sharky30:
they make you register it as a handgun? that's fucked up



.......at least we can have it. I guess it's been that way since 1968. Right ,wrong, or indifferent, it's the way the law is and that's how I had to do it.

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:34:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 12:35:50 PM EST
At least they didn't shoot your dog.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:44:16 PM EST
Duuude, now you need a under the armo shoulder rig, and a trench coat...

Imagine some homie trying to rob ya, and you pull that thing out. Instant shit in the pants for him.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:47:38 PM EST
How can I get one of those for my WASR-10 full-cap? The folding stock, I mean.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:51:31 PM EST
Big dozer that is one hell of a finish on that AK, I can be sure it is not the original finish, it looks awesome....
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:57:45 PM EST
You people scare me!



Link Posted: 10/5/2004 9:08:37 PM EST
My God! To think of the bullshit you must go through to exercise your rights.

Criminals registering guns! What a riot!

This country is hosed with shit like this becoming more and more prevalent.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 10:18:08 PM EST

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
What was the total cost for registering it, and do they still take a thumbprint? Its it still a triplicate form, one for you, one for the county, and one for the state?



California = Nazi Germany

UNBEFUCKINGLEIVEABLE!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 10:20:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By Vapour:
You now have the coolest CCW gun in the state. Do you have a holster for it yet?



Nope, a buddy of mine has a side folding Galil on his CCW! Carries it loaded on the front seat.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 10:37:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 10:49:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tweak:

Originally Posted By echap:
He then said the only time he seen one of these was when “getting shot at”.



He meant in the break room.

On the Xbox.



Damn cops, wasting all their time playing Counter-Strike!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 10:58:34 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:01:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By MisterFloppy:

Originally Posted By Tweak:

Originally Posted By echap:
He then said the only time he seen one of these was when “getting shot at”.



He meant in the break room.

On the Xbox.



Damn cops, wasting all their time playing Counter-Strike!



Where did you think they get all their mad skills and firearms knowledge??

S.O.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:13:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:15:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By Tweak:
I thought they got them the same place so many people here have.

<­BR>



online



No, that's where they hone their razor sharp people skills and conflict resolution abilities.

S.O.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:55:12 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 11:58:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
At least I have a Polish under folder registered as a pistol here in MI. That means I can carry it under my CCW. I guess that 30 Rds. of 7.62x39 ends the 45ACP vs. 9MM which is better debate [:0]]/b]

yeah, but now you have get involved with the 5.45 v. 7.62 debates!



Already solved wasnt it, remember dont register a 5.45x39 pistol..

I need an underfolder.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 1:19:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By echap:
In Michigan, you have to register any firearm that the length is under 30” as a pistol. I have just completed a Polish Underfolder AK47 kit and took it down to the cop shop for a “MI safety inspection”.
Echap



Hey Echap,
Do you have a link to where I can get a copy of the law to print out? I've been looking, but couldn't find it.

Thanks!
Tall Shadow
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 2:51:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By Tall_Shadow:

Originally Posted By echap:
In Michigan, you have to register any firearm that the length is under 30” as a pistol. I have just completed a Polish Underfolder AK47 kit and took it down to the cop shop for a “MI safety inspection”.
Echap



Hey Echap,
Do you have a link to where I can get a copy of the law to print out? I've been looking, but couldn't find it.

Thanks!
Tall Shadow



Heres the site, download Michigan firearm laws, its on page 139 www.michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654---,00.html

Note it's down this morning.

Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:05:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By Taxman:

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
At least I have a Polish under folder registered as a pistol here in MI. That means I can carry it under my CCW. I guess that 30 Rds. of 7.62x39 ends the 45ACP vs. 9MM which is better debate [:0]]/b]

yeah, but now you have get involved with the 5.45 v. 7.62 debates!



Already solved wasnt it, remember dont register a 5.45x39 pistol..

I need an underfolder.



Would the 5.45 pistol issue apply here since it is only a pistol in the states eye not the federal eye?

Kent
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:08:07 AM EST
And you guys bitch about the gun laws in Cali?

Sgatr15
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:12:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 4:16:26 AM EST by monkeyman]

Originally Posted By echap:

Originally Posted By Tall_Shadow:

Originally Posted By echap:
In Michigan, you have to register any firearm that the length is under 30” as a pistol. I have just completed a Polish Underfolder AK47 kit and took it down to the cop shop for a “MI safety inspection”.
Echap



Hey Echap,
Do you have a link to where I can get a copy of the law to print out? I've been looking, but couldn't find it.

Thanks!
Tall Shadow



Heres the site, download Michigan firearm laws, its on page 139 www.michigan.gov/msp/1,1607,7-123-1591_3503_4654---,00.html

Note it's down this morning.




Did you get a permit to purchase before assembly of the folding stock? If so did you use your name as both buyer and seller?

BTW, here is my pistol...

Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:22:27 AM EST
I have to admit you'd get extra style points for carrying that around "Heat" style, slung under your suit coat.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 4:32:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By echap:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Which county, and did they register it?

Clinton county SO would register a brick as a handgun if you asked them to and paid the $12.00



Kent County, and yes, I have a green card. And no fee, go figure!




FREE??? where at???

I live in kent county and registered a S&W model 52 pistol at the sherifs office in grand rapids a few months ago. The lady troll behind the counter told me it would cost $5.00 (it used to be free).

Hell Dena (the chick with the waist length hair) at the GR office is practly on a first name basis with me cause ive been there so many times in the past.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:08:06 AM EST

Originally Posted By luger355:

Originally Posted By echap:

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Which county, and did they register it?

Clinton county SO would register a brick as a handgun if you asked them to and paid the $12.00



Kent County, and yes, I have a green card. And no fee, go figure!




FREE??? where at???

I live in kent county and registered a S&W model 52 pistol at the sherifs office in grand rapids a few months ago. The lady troll behind the counter told me it would cost $5.00 (it used to be free).

Hell Dena (the chick with the waist length hair) at the GR office is practly on a first name basis with me cause ive been there so many times in the past.



I live in Walker, and Walker does not charge a fee if you have a CCW

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