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Posted: 6/5/2003 10:11:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2003 10:19:15 AM EDT by Zardoz]
On June 4-6, 1942, the tide was turned in the war in the Pacific. Since December 7, 1941, we had been badly losing the war, and the outcome was VERY uncertain. The US Navy, vastly out-numbered and inexperienced, engaged the IJN in THE pivotal battle in the Pacific, and WON, ending a serious threat to the Hawaiian Islands and the west coast. Most of the credit has to go to the USS Hornets' Torpedo squadron 8, who sacrificed themselves, almost to a man. They were the first combat aircraft to locate the enemy, but had gotten seperated from their supporting bombing squadron and fighter escort. The aircraft they flew was the Douglas Devastator, which was obsolete even before the war began. They HAD to have known that if they attacked completely unsupported, what their fate was likely to be, but they knew what was at stake, so they attacked anyway. Their attack on the IJN strike fleet was a complete failure in its' tactical objective, but they disrupted enemy flight operations long enough for the bombing squadrons to find and prosecute the attack which turned the battle (and the war) in our favor. Torpedo squadron 8 ceased to exist on June 4, 1942. Even Winston churchill, who witnessed heroism on a daily basis, wept when he was told of the sacrifice these men made. [img]http://photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/IG_LoadImage.asp?iImageUnq=13301[/img] Only the Pilots are picured, but the squadron roster is: Lt. Commander John C. Waldron KIA Lt. Raymond A. Moore KIA Lt. James C. Owens KIA June Lt.(jg) George M. Campbell KIA Lt.(jg) John P. Gray KIA Lt.(jg) Jeff D. Woodson KIA Ens. William W. Abercrombie KIA Ens. William W. Creamer KIA Ens. Harold J. Ellison KIA Ens. William R. Evans KIA Ens. George H. Gay WIA Ens. Henry R. Kenyon KIA Ens. Ulvert M. Moore KIA Ens. Grant W. Teats KIA Robert B. Miles, Aviation Pilot 1c KIA Horace F. Dobbs, Chief Radioman KIA Amelio Maffei, Radioman 1 KIA Tom H. Pettry, Radioman 1 KIA Otway D. Creasy, Jr. Radioman 2 KIA Ross H. Bibb, Jr., Radioman 2 KIA Darwin L. Clark, Radioman 2 KIA Ronald J. Fisher, Radioman 2 KIA Hollis Martin, Radioman 2 KIA Bernerd P. Phelps Radioman 2 KIA Aswell L. Picou, Seaman 2 KIA Francis S. Polston, Seaman 2 KIA Max A. Calkins, Radioman 3 KIA George A. Field, Radioman 3 KIA Robert K. Huntington, Radioman 3 KIA William F. Sawhill, Radioman 3 KIA
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:20:53 AM EDT
After seeing that post makes you wonder if we can be thankfull for what we have. Our freedoms is a gift, I think our law makers need to understand that. thanks for the reminder. Badredfish
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:38:20 AM EDT
Our freedom isn't a gift. It is the result of the hard work of men like these. It is bought and paid for with their blood and the blood of thousands of other patriots.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:41:24 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:41:48 AM EDT
[usa]
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:42:31 AM EDT
What's WIA? [b]Ens. George H. Gay WIA[/b] A typo?
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:47:15 AM EDT
Reading this has made the hair on the back on my neck stand up... This country was founded, and is perpetuated by brave men doing what is right and necessary. [USA]
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:48:20 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Torf: What's WIA? [b]Ens. George H. Gay WIA[/b] A typo?
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Wounded in action. "Most of the credit has to go to the USS Hornets' Torpedo squadron 8, who sacrificed themselves, almost to a man. " That guy would be the exception I guess.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:50:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Torf: What's WIA? [b]Ens. George H. Gay WIA[/b] A typo?
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[url]http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/pers-us/uspers-g/g-gay.htm[/url] Only survivor.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:51:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2003 10:55:04 AM EDT by Paul]
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 10:54:41 AM EDT
[USA]
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 11:32:54 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Paul: [i]George H. Gay, Jr. was born in Waco, Texas, on 8 March 1917. He entered the Navy in 1941. After completing flight training and receiving his commission in September 1941, Ensign Gay was assigned to Torpedo Squadron Eight (VT-8). On 4 June 1942, while operating from USS Hornet (CV-8) during the Battle of Midway, his squadron was wiped out while making an unsupported torpedo attack on the Japanese carrier force. Gay was the only survivor of the thirty pilots and radiomen in that attack. While swimming after his plane went down, he observed the dive bombing attack that destroyed three of the four Japanese carriers present. Ensign Gay was rescued by a seaplane the following day. After recovering from his injuries, he served in Torpedo Squadron Eleven (VT-11) during the Guadalcanal Campaign, and was later a flight instructor. He was also active making public appearances in support of the war effort. Following the end of World War II, he remained in the Naval Reserve into the 1950s and was a pilot with Trans-World Airlines for thirty years. George Gay died on 21 October 1994. [/i]
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Amazing!
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 1:46:09 PM EDT
I'm reminded of Tom Hanks' last line in "Saving Private Ryan", when he pulled Private James Ryan close and said, [i]"Earn this!"[/i] It's humbling to consider the heroism of the ordinary American once his wrath has been stirred. These were indeed great Men.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:00:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk: I'm reminded of Tom Hanks' last line in "Saving Private Ryan", when he pulled Private James Ryan close and said, [i]"Earn this!"[/i] It's humbling to consider the heroism of the ordinary American once his wrath has been stirred. These were indeed great Men.
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I think Capt. Miller said "you've earned this" to Ryan. Because Ryan stood with his comrades against the odds. Because he fought with the only brothers he had left. That's the American spirit we should all honor and be thankful for. I know I am. [usa]
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:09:27 PM EDT
Heros one and all. They were the strength of our hearts. The courage of our souls. And the price of our freedom. To them, and all that serve, WE WILL NOT FORGET!
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:30:57 PM EDT
Matthew Q: You may be right. I had to listen real close a bunch of times to make that out. I've lost certain frequencies from long-term exposure to jet noise (Hey, if the hearing's gonna go, have it go in style- jet noise or loud amplifiers!). I got choked up at the end of the movie when he asked his wife, "Have I been a good man?" I could see myself asking the same thing one day. You want your life to count, especially in light of the debt of those who sacrificed for us.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 2:41:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Originally Posted By Brohawk: I'm reminded of Tom Hanks' last line in "Saving Private Ryan", when he pulled Private James Ryan close and said, [i]"Earn this!"[/i] It's humbling to consider the heroism of the ordinary American once his wrath has been stirred. These were indeed great Men.
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I think Capt. Miller said "you've earned this" to Ryan. Because Ryan stood with his comrades against the odds. Because he fought with the only brothers he had left. That's the American spirit we should all honor and be thankful for. I know I am. [usa]
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Miller did in fact say "Earn This"
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:02:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/5/2003 3:08:45 PM EDT by rickinvegas]
As a history major in college, I have often thought that if I ever wrote a book about some aspect of the WWII it would be about Torpedo 8. Growing up I was a big into the Pacific War and the story of torpedo 8 has always haunted me. Thank you for remembering them. Here are some screen shots taken from a VERY rare film shot during the Battle of the Coral Sea. All but one would be dead in just a few days. I hope they know how grateful we all are................ [img]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/graphics/vt-8/vt8-waldron-may42.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/graphics/vt-8/vt8-r-moore-may42.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/graphics/vt-8/vt8-evans-may42.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/graphics/vt-8/vt8-waldron-may42.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/graphics/vt-8/vt8-ellison-may42.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/graphics/vt-8/vt8-woodson-may42.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/graphics/vt-8/vt8-kenyon-may42.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/graphics/vt-8/vt8-g-gay-may42.jpg[/img] If you would like to see a great website devoted to Torpedo 8 as well as the rest of the pictures of the crews, here it is....... [url]http://www.centurytel.net/midway/Carrier_Squadrons/Torpedo_Eight/in_color.html#Introduction[/url]
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:10:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By SC-Texas: Our freedom isn't a gift. It is the result of the hard work of men like these. It is bought and paid for with their blood and the blood of thousands of other patriots.
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Which is exactly why it is a gift to us from those who have sacrificed for it. Or have you earned it as much as they did?
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:15:54 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk: I got choked up at the end of the movie when he asked his wife, "Have I been a good man?" I could see myself asking the same thing one day. You want your life to count, especially in light of the debt of those who sacrificed for us.
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I am quite sure it was, "Earn this," at the end of the movie. That is why he wanted to know if he had been a good man--to know if he had earned it.
Link Posted: 6/5/2003 3:19:55 PM EDT
Midway was the first loss Japan had suffered by a foreign country's hand. The movie wasn't too bad, either. May the heroism of the average joe's like these guys never be forgotten.
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