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Posted: 9/22/2005 2:53:01 PM EDT
I’ve owned two 9mm pistols and going on a third soon and I started thinking, maybe its time I start looking at adding a bigger caliber pistol to my collection. Possibly a Sig, 1911 or an HK. I’ve been happy with my CZ nines, so really I just want to know what do I gain by going with a pistol with less volume in the magazine.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 2:54:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 3:00:25 PM EDT by FortyFiveAutomatic]
better wounding capacity?

ETA: If the 9mm works for you, then stick with it. Shot placement is key, of course, and I'd say if you can score hits reliably and under duress with a 9mm, why change your system? But the three calibers you mentioned will almost always work better than the 9mm for bringing down the bad guy, so maybe you might want to learn them.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 2:55:25 PM EDT
I would say a .45..........But I am old school................love the 1911............But shot placement is the key no matter what caliber!!
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:01:36 PM EDT
Comfort. Rent a 1911. Try it.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:01:43 PM EDT
honestly. You are really only adding variety. I would say take a .45 because it is the second most popular handgun round out there. With proper shot placement and good hollow points a 9mm is very hard to beat, but since you already have 2, I would change it up a bit.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:05:30 PM EDT
Get a 1911, I have two. Both are Colts, an old one from 1917 and a series 70. Accurate and fun to shoot.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:20:06 PM EDT
Ive been slowly moveing all my handguns to the .45 .... First was an HK Tactical, then a Para Warthog, and once I decide to part with my XD-9sc ill be looking into a Springfield Loaded Lightweight bi-tone... I like the idea of only haveing to keep 5.56/.223 and .45acp on hand...
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:25:19 PM EDT
I like the stuff I read about the .40

I love the stuff I read about the .357 SIG

But what do I have? Good old .45 ACP.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:26:22 PM EDT
Poll please!
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:34:49 PM EDT
This is ARFcom.

You need them all.

I'd start with the .45.

When you get a .40 or the 357sig, it's only a matter of a barrel swap, then you've got all 3, as the .357Sig is just a necked down .40 case. Same mags and slide, just the barrel gets swapped.

TO me, though, I'd grab the .45 first.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:38:07 PM EDT
I went throught the same process thinking about a CCW piece. I had a 9, but wanted a bit more power (yes, I know shot placement is everything, but if it were EVERYTHING, we'd all be carrying .22's). .40 is THE choice for law enforcement, has a great record on the street, in lighter bullets delivers .357 velocity with a wider bullet, and is cheaper than .357 to shoot. Oh, and I found a good deal on a Glock 27, so it's .40 for me!
BTW, most .357's and .40's can be converted back and forth with just a barrel change. Two calibers for a little more than the price of one.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 3:39:41 PM EDT
If you already have a 9mm I'd go with a .45 of some sort. SIG, HK, or 1911 preferably.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 4:08:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hector_X:
I went throught the same process thinking about a CCW piece. I had a 9, but wanted a bit more power (yes, I know shot placement is everything, but if it were EVERYTHING, we'd all be carrying .22's). .40 is THE choice for law enforcement, has a great record on the street, in lighter bullets delivers .357 velocity with a wider bullet, and is cheaper than .357 to shoot. Oh, and I found a good deal on a Glock 27, so it's .40 for me!
BTW, most .357's and .40's can be converted back and forth with just a barrel change. Two calibers for a little more than the price of one.



Get a G20/29 and you will have three calibers for about the same amount of money, and 10MM can be a good step up in power.

If you want multiple calibers, then the Medusa revolver wins with 25, all in the 9MM, .38 category.

Next to that would be the G20/29 with .357/40/10MM available with just a switch of barrels. If the question is which will put the most total hurt (muzzle energy X number of rounds) on something without reloading, then I think the G20 wins that prize. The range of loads available for the G20 with a couple of spare barrels is also quite remarkable. The G29 deserves special mention as the only gun that will do everything from comfortable concealed carry to hunting black bear.

I tried both a G27 and a G29 at the local range. The G27 was pretty good. The G29 with good loads was WOOOHOOO! Lotta bang but still quite manageable.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 4:22:46 PM EDT
I think there's something to be said for the side and size of your hand.

I love the .45 ACP and think the Sig P220 is one of the finest pistols on the planet. Problem is, I'm left handed and the Sig controls just don't work well for me. Glocks are fine pistols - very accurate and a very good value (far better than the HK USP, I think). But the Glock 21's grip is slightly too big for my hand.

The Glock 37/38/39, chambered in the .45 GAP, gives me a pistol with performance more or less equal to the .45 ACP, in a frame sized for the .40 S&W. The pistol handles great, shoots great and uses a cartridge with significantly less pressure (read kabooms) than the .40 S&W.

I know many here will boo hoo the .45 GAP, but I think it's a fine cartridge that will nicely complement the .45 ACP. I like the .45 GAP and it's smaller form factor so much that I've already purchased a Glock 39 for CCW and plan to add a Glock 37 to my collection within the next couple of weeks (as soon as I sell my Springfield XD40).

Just my two cents...
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 4:55:35 PM EDT
Only the best . .45 and make that a 1911
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:18:31 PM EDT
I vote for the .45 1911 too, you won't regret it.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:22:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Friendly_Sponge:
I think there's something to be said for the side and size of your hand.

I love the .45 ACP and think the Sig P220 is one of the finest pistols on the planet. Problem is, I'm left handed and the Sig controls just don't work well for me. Glocks are fine pistols - very accurate and a very good value (far better than the HK USP, I think). But the Glock 21's grip is slightly too big for my hand.

The Glock 37/38/39, chambered in the .45 GAP, gives me a pistol with performance more or less equal to the .45 ACP, in a frame sized for the .40 S&W. The pistol handles great, shoots great and uses a cartridge with significantly less pressure (read kabooms) than the .40 S&W.

I know many here will boo hoo the .45 GAP, but I think it's a fine cartridge that will nicely complement the .45 ACP. I like the .45 GAP and it's smaller form factor so much that I've already purchased a Glock 39 for CCW and plan to add a Glock 37 to my collection within the next couple of weeks (as soon as I sell my Springfield XD40).

Just my two cents...



Compare prices for .45 ACP Ball ammo to . .45 GAP ammo..
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:26:36 PM EDT
I love my Beretta 92 and my Colt .45 because both fit different needs on different occasions.

You need both.


Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:29:41 PM EDT
I am partial to the big holes theory of self defense. But I also like the "Bunch of Holes" methodology. Get a G21. It's ugly, but I have a bunch of rounds through mine with not a single failure or stoppage due to the gun.

A 10MM or a .40 *might not* expand, but that .45 will not get any smaller

GT

Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:30:44 PM EDT
I vote .45. 1911 or Sig, maybe Glock if they float your boat.

If you reload, get a 10mm Glock. It's pretty much THE whoopass auto round. Barring that, the .45 will be much eaiser to find and buy.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:32:21 PM EDT



45 ACP
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:36:20 PM EDT
A pistol is a weapon of convenience. If you have one or two that function, time to focus on your real weapon, the rifle. I would consider something in 5.56, or 7.62x39 or 7.62x51, or even 5.45. Then spend more money on ammo and training. Repeat as needed.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 5:49:23 PM EDT
Pistol caliber rule #1


The bigger the hole, the harder they squirt.


A 9MM is a 45 set on stun.
Link Posted: 9/22/2005 9:26:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By crowboy:

Originally Posted By The_Friendly_Sponge:
I think there's something to be said for the side and size of your hand.

I love the .45 ACP and think the Sig P220 is one of the finest pistols on the planet. Problem is, I'm left handed and the Sig controls just don't work well for me. Glocks are fine pistols - very accurate and a very good value (far better than the HK USP, I think). But the Glock 21's grip is slightly too big for my hand.

The Glock 37/38/39, chambered in the .45 GAP, gives me a pistol with performance more or less equal to the .45 ACP, in a frame sized for the .40 S&W. The pistol handles great, shoots great and uses a cartridge with significantly less pressure (read kabooms) than the .40 S&W.

I know many here will boo hoo the .45 GAP, but I think it's a fine cartridge that will nicely complement the .45 ACP. I like the .45 GAP and it's smaller form factor so much that I've already purchased a Glock 39 for CCW and plan to add a Glock 37 to my collection within the next couple of weeks (as soon as I sell my Springfield XD40).

Just my two cents...



Compare prices for .45 ACP Ball ammo to . .45 GAP ammo..




No doubt, .45 Gap FACTORY ammo costs a little more than .45 ACP and it may be more difficult to find. I reload, however, and the truth is that individual components don't cost any more than components for .45 ACP. Starline charges the exact same price for .45 ACP brass as they do for .45 ACP.

I'm not claiming that .45 GAP is superior to .45 ACP cause it really isn't. It's simply an alternative if you want similar performance in a smaller form factor.
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