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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:19:55 PM EDT
My brother listed several 5.11 shirts (5 or so) on eBay. They were new in packages still sealed. He got a letter saying he is violating MAP pricing from 5.11 and they would take legal action if he didn't correct it?????? For a handful of shirts? MAP is distributor stuff and not for someone trying to move 5 shirts he doesn't want
 . Seemed like bullies sending that to a guy serving in the USAF currently and selling 5 shirts for cheap. They weren't issued but personal owned.
I never had a problem with 5.11 but it seemed a little bit like they are intimidating the market using a form letter to scare people. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:22:20 PM EDT
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They probably figured he is one of their dealers since he is selling multiple same items?
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:26:15 PM EDT
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They probably figured he is one of their dealers since he is selling multiple same items? That's my take on it as well, I don't believe they know he's a private seller who is selling his personal property which they have no control over. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:28:48 PM EDT
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If he bought them through promotive they might jack his account there too.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:31:36 PM EDT
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That's my take on it as well, I don't believe they know he's a private seller who is selling his personal property which they have no control over. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They probably figured he is one of their dealers since he is selling multiple same items? That's my take on it as well, I don't believe they know he's a private seller who is selling his personal property which they have no control over. That's the thing. They are all different shirts. Just 5.....all it takes is for them to check and see he has 5 of them. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:31:38 PM EDT
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Add another company that can go fuck themselves
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:32:23 PM EDT
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If he bought them through promotive they might jack his account there too. They were gifts....and I'm not sure what you mean. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:35:20 PM EDT
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Post up the eBay link, so we can buy some cheap shirts!
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:35:28 PM EDT
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Tell him to reply with, " buy them from me or go fuck yourself".
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:39:56 PM EDT
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I got an email from THX, supposedly, when I listed a THX demo disc for sale on fleabay years ago.
It said the disc was not to be sold and was only given out to dealers etc etc., they insisted I take the auction down. I didn't and it sold without issue. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:40:54 PM EDT
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They were gifts....and I'm not sure what you mean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he bought them through promotive they might jack his account there too. They were gifts....and I'm not sure what you mean. Promotive is where certain groups (mil, leo, gov, etc) can buy stuff sometimes at wholesale prices. You can't buy for other people or sale. You're also limited to how many purchases you can make from a vendor in the year. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:41:04 PM EDT
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Tell him to reply with, " buy them from me or go fuck yourself". This. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:43:06 PM EDT
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Promotive is where certain groups (mil, leo, gov, etc) can buy stuff sometimes at wholesale prices. You can't buy for other people or sale. You're also limited to how many purchases you can make from a vendor in the year. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he bought them through promotive they might jack his account there too. They were gifts....and I'm not sure what you mean. Promotive is where certain groups (mil, leo, gov, etc) can buy stuff sometimes at wholesale prices. You can't buy for other people or sale. You're also limited to how many purchases you can make from a vendor in the year. They weren't from anything like that and 5.11 wouldn't know if they had been. They were given to him by me and he ended up not using or wanting them. That's why he told me today...asking why they would do that. I haven't a clue. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:50:04 PM EDT
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Tell him to reply with, " buy them from me or go fuck yourself". This. That was my first thought on the matter. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:52:27 PM EDT
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That was my first thought on the matter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Tell him to reply with, " buy them from me or go fuck yourself". This. That was my first thought on the matter. I'm sure they could Vero rape his account just because though... I wonder if changing them from "new" to "new-Other" would help? |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:53:01 PM EDT
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They weren't from anything like that and 5.11 wouldn't know if they had been. They were given to him by me and he ended up not using or wanting them. That's why he told me today...asking why they would do that. I haven't a clue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he bought them through promotive they might jack his account there too. They were gifts....and I'm not sure what you mean. Promotive is where certain groups (mil, leo, gov, etc) can buy stuff sometimes at wholesale prices. You can't buy for other people or sale. You're also limited to how many purchases you can make from a vendor in the year. They weren't from anything like that and 5.11 wouldn't know if they had been. They were given to him by me and he ended up not using or wanting them. That's why he told me today...asking why they would do that. I haven't a clue. Where'd you buy them, are they in some kind of identifying packaging or a special promotion item? I'd venture to say fuck'em too, they have too much time if they're hassling a guy selling five shirts. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:54:45 PM EDT
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Where'd you buy them, are they in some kind of identifying packaging or a special promotion item? I'd venture to say fuck'em too, they have too much time if they're hassling a guy selling five shirts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If he bought them through promotive they might jack his account there too. They were gifts....and I'm not sure what you mean. Promotive is where certain groups (mil, leo, gov, etc) can buy stuff sometimes at wholesale prices. You can't buy for other people or sale. You're also limited to how many purchases you can make from a vendor in the year. They weren't from anything like that and 5.11 wouldn't know if they had been. They were given to him by me and he ended up not using or wanting them. That's why he told me today...asking why they would do that. I haven't a clue. Where'd you buy them, are they in some kind of identifying packaging or a special promotion item? I'd venture to say fuck'em too, they have too much time if they're hassling a guy selling five shirts. Just in clear plastic bags....standard retail packaging from a brick and mortar store with normal tags. Nothing infringing. I asked if he used their pics or copy pasted anything and he said no. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:56:42 PM EDT
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Tell them to fuck off and if you recieve one more threatening letter you'll speak to your lawyer.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 8:59:27 PM EDT
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What size are they...how much does he want for them?
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:04:36 PM EDT
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Re title the add to include new bought retail unwanted gifts selling. Or call 5.11 and demand they give him retail. Because of it.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:05:49 PM EDT
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Tell him to reply with, " buy them from me or go fuck yourself". |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:08:39 PM EDT
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I'd just ignore it. If they sued him, at least he wouldn't be out any lawyer fees
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:12:06 PM EDT
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My brother listed several 5.11 shirts (5 or so) on eBay. They were new in packages still sealed. He got a letter saying he is violating MAP pricing from 5.11 and they would take legal action if he didn't correct it?????? For a handful of shirts? MAP is distributor stuff and not for someone trying to move 5 shirts he doesn't want . Seemed like bullies sending that to a guy serving in the USAF currently and selling 5 shirts for cheap. They weren't issued but personal owned.
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They weren't from anything like that and 5.11 wouldn't know if they had been. They were given to him by me and he ended up not using or wanting them. That's why he told me today...asking why they would do that. I haven't a clue. So you purchased them yourself as a normal customer (not MAP or any special discounts etc)? If so, only thing I can suggest is having him contact ebay to discuss it. But in the end it's always going to be their-store-their-rules. If they won't budge, might want to try another site. Maybe even the EE perhaps? |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:16:30 PM EDT
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Where'd you buy them, are they in some kind of identifying packaging or a special promotion item? I'd venture to say fuck'em too, they have too much time if they're hassling a guy selling five shirts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They were gifts....and I'm not sure what you mean. Promotive is where certain groups (mil, leo, gov, etc) can buy stuff sometimes at wholesale prices. You can't buy for other people or sale. You're also limited to how many purchases you can make from a vendor in the year. They weren't from anything like that and 5.11 wouldn't know if they had been. They were given to him by me and he ended up not using or wanting them. That's why he told me today...asking why they would do that. I haven't a clue. Where'd you buy them, are they in some kind of identifying packaging or a special promotion item? I'd venture to say fuck'em too, they have too much time if they're hassling a guy selling five shirts. They probably have some kind of search set up for people that list 5+ and pay someone to copy and paste the letter to everyone on ebay selling 5+ of anything with the search term "5.11". |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:16:33 PM EDT
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My brother listed several 5.11 shirts (5 or so) on eBay. They were new in packages still sealed. He got a letter saying he is violating MAP pricing from 5.11 and they would take legal action if he didn't correct it?????? For a handful of shirts? MAP is distributor stuff and not for someone trying to move 5 shirts he doesn't want . Seemed like bullies sending that to a guy serving in the USAF currently and selling 5 shirts for cheap. They weren't issued but personal owned.
I never had a problem with 5.11 but it seemed a little bit like they are intimidating the market using a form letter to scare people. lol fuck 511 your brother can't sell stuff he legally owns? fuck those dill pickles |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:16:50 PM EDT
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Repost them as if he was selling the bags they happen to be in. Be sure to include a hypothetical story about 5.11
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:19:48 PM EDT
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They probably have some kind of search set up for people that list 5+ and pay someone to copy and paste the letter to everyone on ebay selling 5+ of anything with the search term "5.11". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They were gifts....and I'm not sure what you mean. Promotive is where certain groups (mil, leo, gov, etc) can buy stuff sometimes at wholesale prices. You can't buy for other people or sale. You're also limited to how many purchases you can make from a vendor in the year. They weren't from anything like that and 5.11 wouldn't know if they had been. They were given to him by me and he ended up not using or wanting them. That's why he told me today...asking why they would do that. I haven't a clue. Where'd you buy them, are they in some kind of identifying packaging or a special promotion item? I'd venture to say fuck'em too, they have too much time if they're hassling a guy selling five shirts. They probably have some kind of search set up for people that list 5+ and pay someone to copy and paste the letter to everyone on ebay selling 5+ of anything with the search term "5.11". It's a form letter so I suppose so. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:23:43 PM EDT
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I'd update my description to tout "less than manufacture's minimum advertised price!"
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:23:45 PM EDT
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We should group buy them for more than retail just because.
I say tell them to get bent. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:25:07 PM EDT
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I suspect a dealer reported him.
I would reply that I am not a dealer and I am not bound by a MAP agreement. Tell them you are merely divesting of some old stock that was given you. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:25:47 PM EDT
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How about...Fuck 5.11
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:29:08 PM EDT
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1) The only consequence I think a company is capable of is refusing to sell further products to them.
2) Inserting links into people's posts is the most retarded form of advertising on the planet next to autoplaying videos. Goddamn... |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:32:12 PM EDT
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Only neckbeards and people who overuse the word "kit" and call projectiles "pills" buy 5.11
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:33:57 PM EDT
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MAP is an agreement between a retailer and a manufacturer. He is neither.
What action can they take? Disavow his retailer status? |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:36:36 PM EDT
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I suspect a dealer reported him. I would reply that I am not a dealer and I am not bound by a MAP agreement. Tell them you are merely divesting of some old stock that was given you. Keep your logic and reasonable replies out of here. We need to be butthurt and boycott over a company attempting to control unauthorized resale of their product by their dealers. Clearly some geek behind a computer at 5.11 should have known it was a military member selling five new shirts gifted to him. Hopefully no one comes in here and explains how shady dealers selling below MAP hurts the honest dealers and negatively impacts their sales/income. When do we boycott ARF for prohibiting the resale of our accounts??? |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:36:54 PM EDT
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MAP is an agreement between a retailer and a manufacturer. He is neither. What action can they take? Disavow his retailer status? I know they can VERO him and put a violation on his account. They said they can remove it. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:37:02 PM EDT
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Only neckbeards and people who overuse the word "kit" and call projectiles "pills" buy 5.11 And people that don't recognize quality clothing. Fuck, for the price of tactical pants you could get a pair of fire hose pants from Duluth and they'll last a lot longer. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:41:18 PM EDT
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Keep your logic and reasonable replies out of here. We need to be butthurt and boycott over a company attempting to control unauthorized resale of their product by their dealers. Clearly some geek behind a computer at 5.11 should have known it was a military member selling five new shirts gifted to him. Hopefully no one comes in here and explains how shady dealers selling below MAP hurts the honest dealers and negatively impacts their sales/income. When do we boycott ARF for prohibiting the resale of our accounts??? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I suspect a dealer reported him. I would reply that I am not a dealer and I am not bound by a MAP agreement. Tell them you are merely divesting of some old stock that was given you. Keep your logic and reasonable replies out of here. We need to be butthurt and boycott over a company attempting to control unauthorized resale of their product by their dealers. Clearly some geek behind a computer at 5.11 should have known it was a military member selling five new shirts gifted to him. Hopefully no one comes in here and explains how shady dealers selling below MAP hurts the honest dealers and negatively impacts their sales/income. When do we boycott ARF for prohibiting the resale of our accounts??? I'll get him to send me the letter they emailed. They didn't ask anything (are you a distributor?) Just sent the litigation threat. I'm fine with them not having their dealers screwed.....but it doesn't seem logical to send it to someone selling 5 shirts. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:44:51 PM EDT
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Tell them to FOAD, you're not a retailer.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:46:12 PM EDT
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I'll get him to send me the letter they emailed. They didn't ask anything (are you a distributor?) Just sent the litigation threat. I'm fine with them not having their dealers screwed.....but it doesn't seem logical to send it to someone selling 5 shirts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I suspect a dealer reported him. I would reply that I am not a dealer and I am not bound by a MAP agreement. Tell them you are merely divesting of some old stock that was given you. Keep your logic and reasonable replies out of here. We need to be butthurt and boycott over a company attempting to control unauthorized resale of their product by their dealers. Clearly some geek behind a computer at 5.11 should have known it was a military member selling five new shirts gifted to him. Hopefully no one comes in here and explains how shady dealers selling below MAP hurts the honest dealers and negatively impacts their sales/income. When do we boycott ARF for prohibiting the resale of our accounts??? I'll get him to send me the letter they emailed. They didn't ask anything (are you a distributor?) Just sent the litigation threat. I'm fine with them not having their dealers screwed.....but it doesn't seem logical to send it to someone selling 5 shirts. Most of the time, it's shitty dealers violating their contracts. I'm sure if he messages them back and explains, they'll be fine and back off. If they still try to push it after that, then we can say fuck 5.11. You have to remember most people selling multiples of new items on eBay got them some other way than paying retail for them. Your brother definitely didn't do anything wrong, but he's definitely the minority on eBay when it comes to stuff like that. Fortunately eBay sides with buyers 9/10 times these days, even if the buyer is totally in the wrong, so your brother should be fine no matter what. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 9:56:52 PM EDT
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Most of the time, it's shitty dealers violating their contracts. I'm sure if he messages them back and explains, they'll be fine and back off. If they still try to push it after that, then we can say fuck 5.11. You have to remember most people selling multiples of new items on eBay got them some other way than paying retail for them. Your brother definitely didn't do anything wrong, but he's definitely the minority on eBay when it comes to stuff like that. Fortunately eBay sides with buyers 9/10 times these days, even if the buyer is totally in the wrong, so your brother should be fine no matter what. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I suspect a dealer reported him. I would reply that I am not a dealer and I am not bound by a MAP agreement. Tell them you are merely divesting of some old stock that was given you. Keep your logic and reasonable replies out of here. We need to be butthurt and boycott over a company attempting to control unauthorized resale of their product by their dealers. Clearly some geek behind a computer at 5.11 should have known it was a military member selling five new shirts gifted to him. Hopefully no one comes in here and explains how shady dealers selling below MAP hurts the honest dealers and negatively impacts their sales/income. When do we boycott ARF for prohibiting the resale of our accounts??? I'll get him to send me the letter they emailed. They didn't ask anything (are you a distributor?) Just sent the litigation threat. I'm fine with them not having their dealers screwed.....but it doesn't seem logical to send it to someone selling 5 shirts. Most of the time, it's shitty dealers violating their contracts. I'm sure if he messages them back and explains, they'll be fine and back off. If they still try to push it after that, then we can say fuck 5.11. You have to remember most people selling multiples of new items on eBay got them some other way than paying retail for them. Your brother definitely didn't do anything wrong, but he's definitely the minority on eBay when it comes to stuff like that. Fortunately eBay sides with buyers 9/10 times these days, even if the buyer is totally in the wrong, so your brother should be fine no matter what. I'll update with their response if he gets one. He emailed them Saying he isn't a distributor. ETA - He sent me a copy of the message from 5.11. Turns out they didn't accuse him of being a distributor selling at MAP prices but the opposite. They said he was an "unauthorized reseller" and only their approved resellers can sell 5.11 items and he is not allowed to sell any of their items on third party sites such as eBay. I'm trying to figure out how to upload a pic of the screenshot. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:03:43 PM EDT
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"Thank you for your time in responding to my ad for sale of 5.11 branded shirts. However I am an individual selling privately owned goods and as a matter of consequence not subject to your MAP pricing. If you would like to purchase them feel free."
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:04:22 PM EDT
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Just ignore them.
Let them waste their time going through the motions of trying to apply leverage to someone they have no leverage against. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:06:17 PM EDT
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ETA - He sent me a copy of the message from 5.11. Turns out they didn't accuse him of being a distributor selling at MAP prices but the opposite. They said he was an "unauthorized reseller" and only their approved resellers can sell 5.11 items and he is not allowed to sell any of their items on third party sites such as eBay. I'm trying to figure out how to upload a pic of the screenshot. next response: "fuck off" |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:06:57 PM EDT
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Add another company that can go fuck themselves Oakley does the same shit. I used to work in a bike and ski shop. We sold a shit load of Oakleys because the boss didn't mark them up much over his cost. Oakley rep stopped in and took the boss to lunch. Told the boss; "We don't discount our product, get your prices back up or we'll pull your dealership." |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:11:03 PM EDT
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I cant stand 5.11 shit anyway.
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:15:28 PM EDT
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ETA - He sent me a copy of the message from 5.11. Turns out they didn't accuse him of being a distributor selling at MAP prices but the opposite. They said he was an "unauthorized reseller" and only their approved resellers can sell 5.11 items and he is not allowed to sell any of their items on third party sites such as eBay. I'm trying to figure out how to upload a pic of the screenshot. next response: "fuck off" Indeed. But definitely send exactly that response. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:21:35 PM EDT
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If the e-mail address they used was something like [email protected], it may be a little less than legit. |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:29:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll update with their response if he gets one. He emailed them Saying he isn't a distributor. ETA - He sent me a copy of the message from 5.11. Turns out they didn't accuse him of being a distributor selling at MAP prices but the opposite. They said he was an "unauthorized reseller" and only their approved resellers can sell 5.11 items and he is not allowed to sell any of their items on third party sites such as eBay. I'm trying to figure out how to upload a pic of the screenshot. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I suspect a dealer reported him. I would reply that I am not a dealer and I am not bound by a MAP agreement. Tell them you are merely divesting of some old stock that was given you. Keep your logic and reasonable replies out of here. We need to be butthurt and boycott over a company attempting to control unauthorized resale of their product by their dealers. Clearly some geek behind a computer at 5.11 should have known it was a military member selling five new shirts gifted to him. Hopefully no one comes in here and explains how shady dealers selling below MAP hurts the honest dealers and negatively impacts their sales/income. When do we boycott ARF for prohibiting the resale of our accounts??? I'll get him to send me the letter they emailed. They didn't ask anything (are you a distributor?) Just sent the litigation threat. I'm fine with them not having their dealers screwed.....but it doesn't seem logical to send it to someone selling 5 shirts. Most of the time, it's shitty dealers violating their contracts. I'm sure if he messages them back and explains, they'll be fine and back off. If they still try to push it after that, then we can say fuck 5.11. You have to remember most people selling multiples of new items on eBay got them some other way than paying retail for them. Your brother definitely didn't do anything wrong, but he's definitely the minority on eBay when it comes to stuff like that. Fortunately eBay sides with buyers 9/10 times these days, even if the buyer is totally in the wrong, so your brother should be fine no matter what. I'll update with their response if he gets one. He emailed them Saying he isn't a distributor. ETA - He sent me a copy of the message from 5.11. Turns out they didn't accuse him of being a distributor selling at MAP prices but the opposite. They said he was an "unauthorized reseller" and only their approved resellers can sell 5.11 items and he is not allowed to sell any of their items on third party sites such as eBay. I'm trying to figure out how to upload a pic of the screenshot. Go fuck yourself. I am sharing your gestapo thuggery with everyone I know in the military community, law enforcement community, and shooting sports. Thank you for showing how you treat loyal customers who have non-returnable items. No body likes assholes. Kncook's Brother |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:41:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell him to reply with, " buy them from me or go fuck yourself". |
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Posted: 6/30/2015 10:45:15 PM EDT
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I got an email from THX, supposedly, when I listed a THX demo disc for sale on fleabay years ago. It said the disc was not to be sold and was only given out to dealers etc etc., they insisted I take the auction down. I didn't and it sold without issue. Yeah, this. Isn't the longest auction something like 7 days? Hardly enough time to enforce anything. Now, if OP's brother had a warehouse full of shirts and kept listing them over a period of time it's be different. But just for 5 shirts? Auction 'em off, take the money and move on. |
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