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Posted: 5/14/2001 7:35:53 PM EDT
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Who do you work for?
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Posted: 5/14/2001 7:40:41 PM EDT
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HK Tactical for carry + need to fire two guns at once = female mall ninja. [;)]
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Posted: 5/14/2001 7:44:02 PM EDT
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If you have to focus on the targets,
I would say it is not going to lead to anything useful and may end up being counter productive. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 7:44:33 PM EDT
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Just like in Mummy Returns?
I carry an H&K Tactical too, and it would be a good choice, nice stable gun and very intimidating in a two gun setup. I don't think I would use the DAO variant however. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 7:44:47 PM EDT
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Gawd, does anyone know where I can read that post again about the mall security guy? That was so funny I developed a hernia below my ribcage from laughing so hard.
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Posted: 5/14/2001 7:51:54 PM EDT
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Oh my God! a female Rambo wannabe....
[b]Learn to shoot accurately and practice fast tactical reloading in tactical situations and you will not find the need to lug around another handgun[/b] |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 7:54:25 PM EDT
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Quoted: However, after getting expert advice, I am thinking of attempting a two gun technique. Who is this gunguru and what are their qualifications? |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 7:59:22 PM EDT
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who do you work for?
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:00:33 PM EDT
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Well you don't have to be so mean about it. If you don't think it is a good idea, just say so, don't call me names.
I can shoot very well, thank you! I realize it might not be a tech. that everyone can manage, but if I have the coordination and control to pull it off, is that so bad??? Well, if was just an idea, and I got a kick out of it at the range, so I figured I'd ask... |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:02:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: My eyes can focus well on two targets Try focusing on two targets not side by side. Try one at 10 oclock and the outher at 2 oclock and then check your focus factor. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:06:56 PM EDT
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You're joking right? Sorry, I'd almost have to see it to believe it. But I'll bite. So did you put 2 targets down range to seven yards or just one? How are you aiming, point shooting or actually focusing on one front sight then the other? Was the double tap 2 consecutive rounds out of the same gun or did you shoot one round from each gun? How fast did you send 10 rounds down range? How about the time on 10 accurate rounds? For the sake of a definition let's say 10 accurate rounds on a standard silhouette, all 10 hit paper and at least 8 hitting the silouette and 6 inside the 7 ring. So let's say you have a 10 round mag in each gun, you flail a total of 20 rounds in 10 seconds, maybe less. How do you reload?
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:11:35 PM EDT
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I personally recomend the Bruce Willis "2gun-prone-roll-technique"! Very impressive to all of you're friends. Also, borrow friends gun and attempt the slide-under-car-and-use-gun-for-brake-manuever as seen in John Woo movies. Goes well with sideways gangsta aiming system.
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:12:38 PM EDT
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Quoted: The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use, Try reloading with two guns in your hand during a adrenalin dump. I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. Anyone have any feedback??? This is the biggist pile of BULLSHIT I have seen on this board in weeks. To put it bluntly you are a bloody asshole and should never be allowed to work in any capacity that requires a firearm. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:16:26 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well, if was just an idea, and I got a kick out of it at the range, so I figured I'd ask... More BULLSHIT. You said you got expert advice! EXPERT ADVICE or JUST AN IDEA, Which is it? |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:16:52 PM EDT
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Okay, so it's probably a LOT harder when you aren't shooting at paper.
I set 2 targets in my lane (the lines have two points to hang paper from). And the shooting is more of an alternating from one gun to the other in rapid succession. Reloads are done by holstering one, but with 24 rounds on hand, you usually don't need to reload. Again, it was the first time with it, I'll keep trying, but won't use this method unless it works. I'm just seeing if anyone has ever done this, someone has to have. If it is too stupid, than I'll forget about it, but I just wanted some advise from folks that know a lot about shooting. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:20:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use, Try reloading with two guns in your hand during a adrenalin dump. I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. Anyone have any feedback??? This is the biggist pile of BULLSHIT I have seen on this board in weeks. To put it bluntly you are a bloody asshole and should never be allowed to work in any capacity that requires a firearm. You don't have to be such a jerk. I never said anything rude to you. If you don't agree, a little constructive critisms would do nicely, I'm trying to learn, were you born with all your gun knowledge??? What are you afraid of a capable woman with a gun??? Your kind gives gunowners a bad name. Either be more gentlemanly, or don't respond to my posts anymore... |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:22:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: If it is too stupid, than I'll forget about it, but I just wanted some advise from folks that know a lot about shooting. Again, you stated you got expert advice. From who? And yes it is TOOSTUPID |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:36:11 PM EDT
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Quoted: Well you don't have to be so mean about it. If you don't think it is a good idea, just say so, don't call me names. I can shoot very well, thank you! I realize it might not be a tech. that everyone can manage, but if I have the coordination and control to pull it off, is that so bad??? Well, if was just an idea, and I got a kick out of it at the range, so I figured I'd ask... No need to worry about the comments here. You will see quickly, as you probably already have, that you need to have some thick skin on this board. [;)] |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:37:40 PM EDT
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Hey tac! I won't be so gruff as some of the others but the concept is neither practical or fuctional. If you shoot that well I applaud your talent. But being "PERFECT" with one gun is a lifetime endevor for most. It has been said to me that "If all the rounds dont go in the same hole there is room for improvement".I personally am a ways from perfect with one gun let alone two at once. Also bear in mind that fine motor skills and other senses are/can be greatly affected in actual real world firefights. I have personally experienced this in my own journeys with the gun. take it for what its worth. I dont know everything but I do know those things to be true. Take care and good shooting.
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:41:51 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use, Try reloading with two guns in your hand during a adrenalin dump. I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. Anyone have any feedback??? This is the biggist pile of BULLSHIT I have seen on this board in weeks. To put it bluntly you are a bloody asshole and should never be allowed to work in any capacity that requires a firearm. You don't have to be such a jerk. I never said anything rude to you. If you don't agree, a little constructive critisms would do nicely, I'm trying to learn, were you born with all your gun knowledge??? You are the JERKOFF! You and your still unnamed expert put a pile of bullshit on the board and expect consideration? You say you carry a gun at work and you are still trying to learn? What are you afraid of a capable woman with a gun??? Capable woman with a gun? Capable of what? Making a bloody fool of yourself. Your kind gives gunowners a bad name. Either be more gentlemanly, or don't respond to my posts anymore... You are the one that gives gun owners a bad name,"laying down suppressive fire...". If you don't like the response keep your stupid tac-girl mouth shut. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:47:19 PM EDT
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Tac-Girl is this the first time you have gotten flamed on this board. You forgot to put on your nomex suit didn't you? Well everybody enjoys the cat fights so have fun.
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:48:53 PM EDT
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Here it comes...you better start running!
[img]http://home.earthlink.net/~thegardenweasel/newforumII.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:49:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Well you don't have to be so mean about it. If you don't think it is a good idea, just say so, don't call me names. I can shoot very well, thank you! I realize it might not be a tech. that everyone can manage, but if I have the coordination and control to pull it off, is that so bad??? Well, if was just an idea, and I got a kick out of it at the range, so I figured I'd ask... No need to worry about the comments here. You will see quickly, as you probably already have, that you need to have some thick skin on this board. [;)] slt223 What is your problem? The post is not " I two gunned at the range today and had a blast". TACSTUPID GIRL and STUPID EXPERT think this system is viable. If a guy had posted this crap you guys would be all over him. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:50:44 PM EDT
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Its not going to do what you want it to do.
Six |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:56:39 PM EDT
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'weasel: that was f'n hilarious. Hangfire: you're my hero.
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Posted: 5/14/2001 8:58:10 PM EDT
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>>I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor.
>>Anyone have any feedback??? Yeah- stay away from guns. The legal problems engendered by "suppressive fire" from a civilian, (yes, even security people AND police are civilians...) to say nothing of the -pardon me- "collateral damage", would boggle the mind and give even more grist to the mills of the gun grabbers. Who is the gun expert you refer to? Does he/she/it call her-him-itself Gecko 45? |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:02:33 PM EDT
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wow, you are the most popular girl on the boards and......
you didn't even have to have sex with anyone. You should be proud |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:09:29 PM EDT
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HANGFIRE, you are a ranting lunatic.
How are you allowed to have guns, I didn't think they allowed anything not padded in rubber where you live? Oh well, it is time for you medication... As I said, I did this at the range, so it was safe and in a controlled environment under the watchful eye of my friend the RM. I wasn't shooting at squirrels in the backyard, like HANGFIRE likes to do, that is before he got sent to the padded cell. Jerk... |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:11:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: slt223 What is your problem? The post is not " I two gunned at the range today and had a blast". TACSTUPID GIRL and STUPID EXPERT think this system is viable. If a guy had posted this crap you guys would be all over him. I take it back, you sound like a child. I'm sorry for making fun of you. Your mommy isn't mad at me I hope??? |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:11:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:12:56 PM EDT
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Hang in there, tacgirl. Just two quick points. First, the two-gun technique really isn't particularly viable in the real world. It is fun on the range and in a controlled environment, but has limited potential outside of the range. Second, regarding the comments from some, if you hang around enough you will notice that those who are the most insulting to the individual are also the ones that are usually the least knowledgeable about the subject. They think throwing out a bunch of insults helps them hide their ignorance. It doesn't of course, but they are also usually to foolish to realize how foolish they make themselves look
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:15:54 PM EDT
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Quoted: Hang in there, tacgirl. Just two quick points. First, the two-gun technique really isn't particularly viable in the real world. It is fun on the range and in a controlled environment, but has limited potential outside of the range. Second, regarding the comments from some, if you hang around enough you will notice that those who are the most insulting to the individual are also the ones that are usually the least knowledgeable about the subject. They think throwing out a bunch of insults helps them hide their ignorance. It doesn't of course, but they are also usually to foolish to realize how foolish they make themselves look And then there are those who choose to insult en masse. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:39:22 PM EDT
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Darm is right on: while the two-gun technique looks good in the movies, it's pretty worthless in real life. It used to be necessary to carry multiple guns back when they were all single-shot black powder guns, but even in the "Old West", people didn't actually engage in gunfights with dual revolvers, as they would have been killed by the guy who was using a single gun and aiming.
Don't get me wrong; I've had fun practicing with sequentially serial-numbered Glock 17s, and it's fun, but it certainly isn't easy to actually hit anything. In real life, you have to be accountable for each and every bullet that leaves your barrel, which requires one gun at a time. Besides, with a semi-auto pistol, the need for a second gun is diminished, as reloads are very quick. And if you hit your attacker(s), you may not even have to reload. :) Don't take the flames to seriously, but understand the legitimate points that Hangfire was (childishly) trying to get across. -Troy |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:40:04 PM EDT
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Mall Security?
Could Gecko45 have a girlfriend posting on the forum now? Perhaps it's one of the members of the mall Fast Action Response Team or "FART". Gotta use those electric powered rapid deployment vehicles too, since it's indoors you can't use the gas powered ones and with electric motors you've got the additional ability of stealth where you can sneak up on them from behind in true ninja fashion. I suggest dual Special Weapons subguns instead of HK Tactical 45s, I'm sure Toad could help supply them for you. This post was made with a LOT of references to past things that have gone on in this forum as well as others, the intent was that of novelty. Serious issues have already been brought to the head by others here, but if you're gonna talk about shooting like some kind of Laura Croft "Tombraider" type person then expect to have people poke fun at you a bit. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:44:15 PM EDT
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if we could just combine this thread with the
killing of innocent cats it would be perfect. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:46:22 PM EDT
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Quoted: Second, regarding the comments from some, if you hang around enough you will notice that those who are the most insulting to the individual are also the ones that are usually the least knowledgeable about the subject. They think throwing out a bunch of insults helps them hide their ignorance. It doesn't of course, but they are also usually to foolish to realize how foolish they make themselves look Another STUPID INCIPIENT DEFENSE OF THE INDEFENSEABLE. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:47:34 PM EDT
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Would it be prefferable to use cats when training with the two gun technique? TacGirl probably has lots of cats.
Oh man, I'm going to hell for this. |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:48:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: The benefits I can think of off the top of my head are, added capacity of ammo for immediate use, I can lay down suppressive fire, good for crowd/riot/mob control, and intimidation factor. Sounds good to me! |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:50:52 PM EDT
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ummmmmm laura croft shooting cats...
uh, i have to go to the bathroom |
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Posted: 5/14/2001 9:59:13 PM EDT
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Tac girl: would be a awsome site! I dont think a hk and a sig would match. Two hk's if you had to reload the mags would fit both. Or better a glock 22 and a glock 27.
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Posted: 5/14/2001 10:04:48 PM EDT
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Sure has been a while since there was a good old flamefest. This one ends here......
Kuiper |
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