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Posted: 9/24/2004 6:34:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 6:35:02 PM EST by raven]
Spain's president Zapatero (elected thanks to a murderous terrorist attack last March) has declared his intention to destroy his country. He wants to secularize his country and stop the public subsidization of the Catholic Church. That's not the suicidal part, though.

Funding for Church to be slashed by Spanish
By Isambard Wilkinson in Madrid
(Filed: 25/09/2004)

The Spanish government sparked a furious row yesterday after it emerged that it had drawn up a timetable to halve state funding of the Roman Catholic Church and to ban crucifixes from public buildings.


The Socialist government has already pedged to confront the Church ideologically and fiscally and to transform Spain into a fully secular society by scrapping the Church's "privileged position in society".

Further enraging conservatives, the government has drawn up plans to finance the teaching of Islam in state-run schools and to give funds to mosques on the grounds that it will create greater understanding of the country's one million Muslims.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/09/25/wspain25.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/09/25/ixworld.html

Why does the Left frown on Christianity while smiling on a religion that mandates all aspects of human life be governed by the laws of the Koran and the murder of anyone who refuses? I don't get it.

But the Socialists don't stop there with their intent to destroy their own nation. Zapatero is either profoundly naive, or the deepest one man al-Qaeda sleeper cell in the world.

Spain proposes cultural alliance

The Spanish prime minister has called for an international effort to resolve cultural and religious differences between the Western and Muslim world.

ose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said "an alliance of cultures" was necessary in a world facing conflict because of poverty and Islamic radicalisation.

Mr Zapatero, at the UN General Assembly meeting, said the alliance could deepen political and cultural relations.

He also defended his decision to withdraw Spanish troops from Iraq.

Dialogue

Mr Zapatero said he had asked the UN Secretary General, Kofi Annan, to set up a high level group to study the creation of an alliance of civilisations.

Speaking on the fringes of the UN meeting in New York, Mr Zapatero said: "This alliance would have as its fundamental objective to deepen political, cultural and education relations between those who represent the so-called Western world and, in this historic moment, the area of Arab and Muslim countries."

The BBC's Michael Buchanan says the Spanish prime minister is trying to position his country as a bridge between Europe and north Africa.

Mr Zapatero said the world could become a clash of civilisations, with poverty and Islamic radicalisation tearing Western and Muslim countries apart.

The alliance he envisages could therefore prevent hate and misunderstanding from developing by looking at political and cultural issues - everything from joint peace keeping missions to interfaith dialogue.

Roots

Our correspondent says the idea resembles a previous initiative calling for a dialogue between civilisations, launched by Iranian President Mohammed Khatami in 1998, which resulted in little obvious success.

Mr Zapatero also referred to his government's decision to withdraw 1,300 troops from Iraq soon after winning the general elections in March this year.

Many Spanish voters believed the 11 March attacks on Madrid that killed 191 people would not have happened if Spain had not supported the war in Iraq.

Mr Zapatero said peace was a task that required more determination and heroism than war.

He added that the international community must combat terrorism rationally by dealing with its roots in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and through economic development.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3679336.stm

My god. His reaction to the terror attacks on his country is to embrace the ideology that motivated them. I would probably devote my life to assassinating this man if I was a Spaniard.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 6:38:23 PM EST
It's hard to find words to describe this type of lunacy.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 6:44:36 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 6:45:08 PM EST by painrx]
Now that's scary.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 6:46:13 PM EST
Well, I'm sure he'll have to start watching his own back more often now. Those are dangerous proposals.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 6:46:43 PM EST
If he thinks this will appease the camel-fuckers Islamists in any way, he is dead wrong.

When will they learn


- BG
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 6:48:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 6:50:44 PM EST by raven]

Originally Posted By painrx:
Now that's scary.



No, THIS is scary.

An exclusive series of translations from the Swedish press, made for Jihad Watch by Ali Dashti, who writes:

Sweden is one of the worst hit countries in Europe of Muslim immigration and Political Correctness. Now, the police themselves have publicly admitted that they no longer control one of Sweden's major cities. I have made some exclusive translations from Swedish media. They show the future of Eurabia unless Europeans wake up.

I’ve seen the future of Eurabia, and it’s called 'Sweden.' Malmø is Sweden’s third largest city, after Stockholm and Gothenburg. Once-peaceful Sweden, home of ABBA, IKEA and the Nobel Prize, is increasingly looking like the Middle East on a bad day.

All following links to major Swedish newspapers, with a brief translation:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized. "Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10092861

The number of people emigrating from the city of Malmø is reaching record levels. Swedes, who a couple of decades ago decided to open the doors to Muslim "refugees" and asylum seekers, are now turned into refugees in their own country and forced to flee their homes. The people abandoning the city mention crime and fear of the safety of their children as the main reason for leaving.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10090830

ALL of the 600 windows at one of the schools in Malmø have been broken during the summer holiday. Window smashing alone costs the city millions every year. City buses have been forced to avoid the immigrant ghetto, as they are met with youths throwing rocks or bottles at them if they enter. Earlier this year, a boy of Afghan origin had made plans to blow up his own school.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093267

People working at the emergency ward at the major hospital in Malmø receive threats every day, and are starting to get used to it. Patients with knives or guns are commonplace. They have discussed having metal detectors at the emergency entrance, but some fear this could be seen as a provocation. FUCKING HELL!

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093495

Lisa Nilsson has lived in Manhatten, New York City, for 25 years. After moving back to Malmø, Sweden, she now misses the safety of New York. She never walks anywhere in Malmø after dark, but takes a taxi everywhere she goes.

http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=180423

Rapes in Sweden as a whole have increased by 17% just since the beginning of 2003, and have had a dramatic increase during the past decade. Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and native Swedish girls, have become commonplace. Two weeks ago, 5 Kurds brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,528363,00.html

22-year-old Swedish woman going out for fresh air gang raped by three strange men. The only said one word to her: "Whore!"

Ali Dashti comments: "Stories like this are in Swedish newspapers every week. Swedish media usually take great care not to mention the ethnic background of the perpetrators, but you can usually read it between the lines."

One more: how have Swedish politicians reacted to the chaos caused in one of their major cities because of Muslims of whom even the police seem to be afraid? By making it easier for Muslims to enter Sweden:

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/81008.html

Sweden's politicians view arranged marriages as a positive tradition: a cultural pattern that immigrants should be allowed to preserve even in Sweden. The Swedish government feels that interfering in arranged marriages is an encroachment upon private life. In addition, immigrant couples can apply for family reunification in Sweden even if they've never seen each other before - as long as the marriage is entered in a culture with a tradition of parents arranging marriages on behalf of their children. A 2002 study by Växjö University economics professor Jan Ekberg found that immigration cost Swedish taxpayers DKK 33 billion that year, compared to just DKK 10 billion in Denmark. And while one might assume that the rise in costs would result in knee-jerk opposition to immigration, just the opposite has happened in Sweden. A Swedish government commission has proposed abolishing the so-called “seriousness requirement.”

www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003131.php
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 6:55:09 PM EST

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By painrx:
Now that's scary.



No, THIS is scary.

An exclusive series of translations from the Swedish press, made for Jihad Watch by Ali Dashti, who writes:

Sweden is one of the worst hit countries in Europe of Muslim immigration and Political Correctness. Now, the police themselves have publicly admitted that they no longer control one of Sweden's major cities. I have made some exclusive translations from Swedish media. They show the future of Eurabia unless Europeans wake up.

I’ve seen the future of Eurabia, and it’s called 'Sweden.' Malmø is Sweden’s third largest city, after Stockholm and Gothenburg. Once-peaceful Sweden, home of ABBA, IKEA and the Nobel Prize, is increasingly looking like the Middle East on a bad day.

All following links to major Swedish newspapers, with a brief translation:

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,529910,00.html

Malmø, Sweden. The police now publicly admit what many Scandinavians have known for a long time: They no longer control the situation in the nations's third largest city. It is effectively ruled by violent gangs of Muslim immigrants. Some of the Muslims have lived in the area of Rosengård, Malmø, for twenty years, and still don't know how to read or write Swedish. Ambulance personnel are attacked by stones or weapons, and refuse to help anybody in the area without police escort. The immigrants also spit at them when they come to help. Recently, an Albanian youth was stabbed by an Arab, and was left bleeding to death on the ground while the ambulance waited for the police to arrive. The police themselves hesitate to enter parts of their own city unless they have several patrols, and need to have guards to watch their cars, otherwise they will be vandalized. "Something drastic has to be done, or much more blood will be spilled" says one of the locals.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10092861

The number of people emigrating from the city of Malmø is reaching record levels. Swedes, who a couple of decades ago decided to open the doors to Muslim "refugees" and asylum seekers, are now turned into refugees in their own country and forced to flee their homes. The people abandoning the city mention crime and fear of the safety of their children as the main reason for leaving.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se/Article.jsp?article=10090830

ALL of the 600 windows at one of the schools in Malmø have been broken during the summer holiday. Window smashing alone costs the city millions every year. City buses have been forced to avoid the immigrant ghetto, as they are met with youths throwing rocks or bottles at them if they enter. Earlier this year, a boy of Afghan origin had made plans to blow up his own school.

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093267

People working at the emergency ward at the major hospital in Malmø receive threats every day, and are starting to get used to it. Patients with knives or guns are commonplace. They have discussed having metal detectors at the emergency entrance, but some fear this could be seen as a provocation. FUCKING HELL!

http://w1.sydsvenskan.se//Article.jsp?article=10093495

Lisa Nilsson has lived in Manhatten, New York City, for 25 years. After moving back to Malmø, Sweden, she now misses the safety of New York. She never walks anywhere in Malmø after dark, but takes a taxi everywhere she goes.

http://www.expressen.se/index.jsp?a=180423

Rapes in Sweden as a whole have increased by 17% just since the beginning of 2003, and have had a dramatic increase during the past decade. Gang rapes, usually involving Muslim immigrant males and native Swedish girls, have become commonplace. Two weeks ago, 5 Kurds brutally raped a 13-year-old Swedish girl.

http://www.aftonbladet.se/vss/nyheter/story/0,2789,528363,00.html

22-year-old Swedish woman going out for fresh air gang raped by three strange men. The only said one word to her: "Whore!"

Ali Dashti comments: "Stories like this are in Swedish newspapers every week. Swedish media usually take great care not to mention the ethnic background of the perpetrators, but you can usually read it between the lines."

One more: how have Swedish politicians reacted to the chaos caused in one of their major cities because of Muslims of whom even the police seem to be afraid? By making it easier for Muslims to enter Sweden:

http://www.cphpost.dk/get/81008.html

Sweden's politicians view arranged marriages as a positive tradition: a cultural pattern that immigrants should be allowed to preserve even in Sweden. The Swedish government feels that interfering in arranged marriages is an encroachment upon private life. In addition, immigrant couples can apply for family reunification in Sweden even if they've never seen each other before - as long as the marriage is entered in a culture with a tradition of parents arranging marriages on behalf of their children. A 2002 study by Växjö University economics professor Jan Ekberg found that immigration cost Swedish taxpayers DKK 33 billion that year, compared to just DKK 10 billion in Denmark. And while one might assume that the rise in costs would result in knee-jerk opposition to immigration, just the opposite has happened in Sweden. A Swedish government commission has proposed abolishing the so-called “seriousness requirement.”

www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/003131.php



What the f*ck?!

Why do they let these shitbags in ,and why do the let them stay?
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 6:55:18 PM EST
Sweden sounds dangerous!
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:00:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:15:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 7:17:17 PM EST by Lightning_P38]
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:16:38 PM EST
Europe sounds like it's letting itself get backed into a corner of it's own home. Can't count on many of them at all.

Socialist countries national healthcare and welfare is an invitation to foreign immigration invasion.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:20:34 PM EST
Spain was a muslim country then came the Spanish Inquistion, I say they deserve it....
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:22:01 PM EST
Spain is screaming at the top of it's voice, "WE SURRENDER"! This will encourage the terrorist to try their luck before the elections here in America.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:23:48 PM EST
I has and will happen anywhere Muslims gain power. It will happen here as soon as they have control over an area they call their own. It is as predictable as the sun rise. Islam is only peaceful where it is in submission to a truley tolerant power. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:27:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 7:27:36 PM EST by JeffersonDarcy]
Zapatero is a fag and almost makes me ashamed to of my 1/2 3rd generation Spanish heritage... actully not really because spanish still > all other ethnicities. Zapatero looks exactly like Mr. Bean tho:





all of europe is a bunch of pussies
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:28:58 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 7:30:11 PM EST by raven]

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:
Does anybody have any info on that site WWW.JIHADWATCH.ORG or its author Robert Spencer? I did a quick search on Google and came up with many hits on it, but the only real critical hit on it were posts over at the DU. I looked around the site some and couldn't find any of the usual tell tale signs that I was expecting to find (links to the Aryan Nation or stormfront, or any other baltantly screwhead sites), no cleverly hidden hitler homages, or any of that stuff.

Please understand I am not a racist troll, I despise racism and wish bad things upon those who practice racist policy, but this site has an awfull lot of inflamatory material and not only did I find much of an attempt to debunk the info there, I did find some sites I am confident are not fronts for hate groups who seemed to indicate that this guys info was reliable. If that is the case then there are situations going on around the world that need to be watched closely.

Edited to add: My first and lingering suspision is that Robert Spencer is some kind of dirt bag hate monger, and that his site is a FOS front for some type of hate group.



Maybe the editors of those Swedish newspapers are the racist hatemongers. Look into them, see what turns up.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:31:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
Spain was a muslim country then came the Spanish Inquistion, I say they deserve it....



no, it was a catholic country and then the moors took it over for a while and then the catholics kicked them out again (and anyone else who didnt agree with the church)
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:32:43 PM EST
I'm surprised by all the "WTF" comments.

This is the war.

Is it news to anyone here what the muslims are doing? You think they want to live in their little corner of the world and be left alone?

Islam’s primary goal is to Islamize the world. Not to deny that I as a Christian do not have the same goal, I just don't kill people when they say no.

Spain is loosing.

When you hear about France placating to their muslim population… Netherlands, Germany, Balkans…. They are all doing it! They are capitulating. They are intimidated and facing growing and serious threat within their own borders and they don’t know WTF to do about it.

In time, this will be happening here in the US as well.

Cat Stevens -> Useff Islam. (sp?) --- Hippy becomes a muslim. Liberals I work with may have serious issues with Christianity, but for some reason, Islam is cool. Its simplicity is appealing to those who are simple minded. Does anyone doubt that muslim sympathizers here in the US would not embrace Islam?

The invasion has already begun. In Europe, Latin America, Asia, Canada, and here in the US.

Frankly. I think we will loose.

We lack the fortitude for a protracted unconventional war of cultures.

I'm not saying I will not give my life for what I believe in. But I don't think I have enough people on my side that are willing to do the same.

Just talk to a Kerry supporter. You'll see what I mean.

-LS
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:33:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By byron2112:

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By painrx:
Now that's scary.



No, THIS is scary.

... sweden stuff ...




What the f*ck?!

Why do they let these shitbags in ,and why do the let them stay?





As depressing as it is, it is also amusing to me, as a Dane.

When Denmark realized this shit was happening as well as a result of our generous immigration and refugee laws, Denmark rewrote its immigration laws to make them some of the tightest and toughest in Europe. And we got so much shit from Sweden about it - getting all high and mighty about how mean and insensitive the Danes were being, and how unfair it was to the poor immigrants.

Yeah - enjoy your immigrants, Sweden !!



But Denmark SHOULD have done this about 15 years ago, so hopefully it won't be too late. There are already parts of Copenhagen that are really dangerous now, because of gangs of muslim youths - and immigrants (even though less than 5% of the population) account for some astonishingly huge proportion of violent crimes and sexual assaults. It's very depressing. In the early 1980s, a hot girl could have walked through all of Copenhagen at 3:00 AM in a bikini without having to worry about anything. (Okay, Im lying - it's never warm enough for that in Denmark ).

My guess is that soon Denmarks criminal laws are going to have to be completely rewritten as well, to deal with serious and violent crimes committed by youths that the Danish legal system never really had to deal with before.

It's distressingly easy to become incredibly racists and anti-muslim when you see a society like Denmark (and Sweden and Norway) - start to unravel because of foreign assholes coming in and trashin the place instead of trying to contribute.

Oh yeah - back on-topic. The Spaniards have lost their fucking minds
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:35:26 PM EST
maybe its time for inquisition part 2?
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:36:01 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 7:38:23 PM EST by raven]

Originally Posted By longshot_va:
I'm surprised by all the "WTF" comments.

This is the war.

Is it news to anyone here what the muslims are doing? You think they want to live in their little corner of the world and be left alone?

Islam’s primary goal is to Islamize the world. Not to deny that I as a Christian do not have the same goal, I just don't kill people when they say no.

Spain is loosing.

When you hear about France placating to their muslim population… Netherlands, Germany, Balkans…. They are all doing it! They are capitulating. They are intimidated and facing growing and serious threat within their own borders and they don’t know WTF to do about it.

In time, this will be happening here in the US as well.

Cat Stevens -> Useff Islam. (sp?) --- Hippy becomes a muslim. Liberals I work with may have serious issues with Christianity, but for some reason, Islam is cool. Its simplicity is appealing to those who are simple minded. Does anyone doubt that muslim sympathizers here in the US would not embrace Islam?

The invasion has already begun. In Europe, Latin America, Asia, Canada, and here in the US.

Frankly. I think we will loose.

We lack the fortitude for a protracted unconventional war of cultures.

I'm not saying I will not give my life for what I believe in. But I don't think I have enough people on my side that are willing to do the same.

Just talk to a Kerry supporter. You'll see what I mean.

-LS



Your defeatism sure sounds pro-Kerry. The Muslims and Islamic terrorism can be beaten. Their main advantages are their fanaticism, Saudi money, and the naivite of the Left. Tiny Israel has been kicking their asses for nearly 60 years. As long as we're willing to be ruthless and dont let Leftists make important decisions, Islam can never win.

But when Leftists call the shots, as we are seeing in Spain, the Muslims make unimaginable strides towards destroying the West and expanding Dar es Islam (House of Submission, i.e., the Muslim world)
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:36:10 PM EST
Isn't the antichrist supposed to come from Spain or was it Rome?

I forget.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:38:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 7:38:57 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By longshot_va:
When you hear about France placating to their muslim population…




Although I hate to defend the french in any way, they DID pass that law that banned headscarves in public schools. Granted, it was a broader law aimed at secularizing the public schools, but it really was targeted at forcing muslim womem to stop wearing headscarves or veils.



... I largely agree with everything else you're saying, though
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:38:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By Pangea:
Spain is screaming at the top of it's voice, "WE SURRENDER"! This will encourage the terrorist to try their luck before the elections here in America.




Not if GWB is reelected........IMO

I think that the main countries in Middle East have tighter control on the terrorist than they would like us to beleive. Hitting us in Iraq is ok, but no attacks in the US or you get wacked. IMO as long as they think that the US will stomp the bejeez out of any country who supports another 911. There won't be any major attacks here.


To bad Spain didn't learn that, now they have to make deals with monsters
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:40:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By raven:

Your defeatism sure sounds pro-Kerry. The Muslims and Islamic terrorism can be beaten. Their main advantages are their fanaticism, Saudi money, and the naivite of the Left. The Israelis have been kicking their asses for nearly 60 years. As long as we're willing to be ruthless and dont let Leftists make important decisions, Islam can never win.



Hey, I agree.

But I live in liberal North VA. I'm surrounded by socialists.

Its kinda depressing and well, degrades my optimism. Sorry.

-LS
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:43:22 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:47:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By raven:

Edited to add: My first and lingering suspision is that Robert Spencer is some kind of dirt bag hate monger, and that his site is a FOS front for some type of hate group.



Maybe the editors of those Swedish newspapers are the racist hatemongers. Look into them, see what turns up.

I did, that is what has me concerned. That site has an awful lot of information that would make any person flinch, and there is nobody willing to dispute a word of it. From what I could find (I didn't spend hours looking though), the info is legit, and from credible sources (not Dan Rather credible either).




It's worth noting that Sweden DOES have a serious problem with muslim immigrants, and I'd think that Malmoe would be one of the cites severely affected.

However, Sweden also has a really high rate of neo-nazis and extrem right wing nationalism - so it's probably always good to take some of these things with a grain of salt.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:51:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

It's worth noting that Sweden DOES have a serious problem with muslim immigrants, and I'd think that Malmoe would be one of the cites severely affected.

However, Sweden also has a really high rate of neo-nazis and extrem right wing nationalism - so it's probably always good to take some of these things with a grain of salt.



Wow, and I thought we had it bad. Thanks for the perspective.

-LS

Link Posted: 9/24/2004 7:52:53 PM EST

What the f*ck?!
Why do they let these shitbags in ,and why do the let them stay?



Look what we let in our country everyday, and we're doing nothing to stop it. Shame on us when the same stuff comes to our door step
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:09:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 8:13:35 PM EST by raven]

Originally Posted By Lightning_P38:

Originally Posted By raven:

Edited to add: My first and lingering suspision is that Robert Spencer is some kind of dirt bag hate monger, and that his site is a FOS front for some type of hate group.



Maybe the editors of those Swedish newspapers are the racist hatemongers. Look into them, see what turns up.

I did, that is what has me concerned. That site has an awful lot of information that would make any person flinch, and there is nobody willing to dispute a word of it. From what I could find (I didn't spend hours looking though), the info is legit, and from credible sources (not Dan Rather credible either).



First off, I was being sarcastic about the Swedish newspapers.

Second, why is it so difficult for you to believe that a lot of really horrible shit is done around the world in the name of Islam every day? Jihadwatch.org does little more than LINK TO MAINSTREAM MEDIA ARTICLES which illustrates this to make its point.

Another good one to read is www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog which is where I learned of Spain's suicidal new policies. Suicidal, because blogs like jihadwatch have given me insight into what Islam is really all about and what their agenda is. Again, it's little more than linking to news articles about things that happen day in, day out. A trend becomes noticable. Unless you've got the PC multi-culti blinders on, like you do. More grist for the mill:

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3686950.stm

Say, isn't the BBC one of those racist, far-right outfits?
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 8:18:19 PM EST
while i am in favor of taking money away from one corrupt religious hierarchy, i must say i certainly do not agree with giving it to another.

one step forward, two steps backward.

here's an idea, how about government stop funding people who claim to be the vessel through which God speaks.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:00:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
WTF is all I can say.


+1.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:11:10 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:22:33 PM EST
Spain is your friend on the bus,you both get attacked by bullies whom want your lunch money!

Spain runs off after handing over his lunch money,you fight back lose your lunch money but get in a few good licks before it's all over!

Next monday same bus same bullys,this time they pass you by because they know you will fight for what is yours,and there is easier pickings to be had(spain will not eat lunch again)!

So goes it in the Terr business!!!

Never give an inche if you are fighting for your rights!!

So no supprise Spain is going to be in worse shape than she could ever think!!

Semper fi!!!!

Bob
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 9:32:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/24/2004 9:33:02 PM EST by Leisure_Shoot]
Once the fucking Muslims overrun Europe, I suppose we'll have to kick Europe's ass, again, to save them from themselves?
Great. Just fucking great.
I don't know that America has the political will to win this war.
The PC war, and the terror war.
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 11:05:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By JeffersonDarcy:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
Spain was a muslim country then came the Spanish Inquistion, I say they deserve it....



no, it was a catholic country and then the moors took it over for a while and then the catholics kicked them out again (and anyone else who didnt agree with the church)

I stand corrected sir, they never purged Spain of it's mosques nor Arabic idomatic phrases either.....
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 11:15:57 AM EST
Good God that is perverse. I can understand the banning of crucifixes in public buildings on the grounds to become a more democratic nation, but that is not his intent. Furthermore, this isn't a war of understanding... it's a war revolving around the stark contrasts between to cultures forged by religion. I think all he has done is set the staging ground for a huge religious clash much like that of the Crusades. Besides, Spain has a long history with being invaded by Muslims and religous wars.

When will they learn? Another stab in the back to countries trying to eliminate the terrorist threats. Terrorists cannot be reasoned with. These aren't middle-of-the-road Muslims, they are extremists. If we were being confronted with average Muslims acting out against Western culture, that would be one thing. But we are faced with fanatic fundamentalists who only wish to see America and the rest of western civilization as an Islamic state.

"People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf." - George Orwell
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 11:43:13 AM EST
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Link Posted: 9/25/2004 3:41:48 PM EST
I recall Jack VanImpe going on about how the AntiChrist would come when a member of the Spanish royal family assumes the Presidency of the EU since their bloodline traces back to Charlemagne who was the last Emperor of the Holy Roman Empire....Blah, blah, blah....
I always thought Jack was as crazy as a rat trapped in a can though. His shows all seemed alike.
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 3:45:00 PM EST
Spain is totally lost. Disgusting. God help all us if Bush loses.
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 3:50:29 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 4:43:40 PM EST

These idiots already spent 700 or so years under Muslim rule.

Why the hell would they do it all over again?
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 5:03:46 PM EST
Why, in the secularization of Spain (and California), teaching Christianity in public schools is a big no no but teaching Islam is OK?
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 6:08:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
But Denmark SHOULD have done this about 15 years ago, so hopefully it won't be too late. There are already parts of Copenhagen that are really dangerous now, because of gangs of muslim youths - and immigrants (even though less than 5% of the population) account for some astonishingly huge proportion of violent crimes and sexual assaults. It's very depressing. In the early 1980s, a hot girl could have walked through all of Copenhagen at 3:00 AM in a bikini without having to worry about anything. (Okay, Im lying - it's never warm enough for that in Denmark ).



I travelled around Europe in the mid-1980s with a backpack and student Eurail pass and the only city I ever felt in even a little danger was Belfast, and then only in the scummy areas. Back then even Rome was safe.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 6:39:08 PM EST
Let the Inquisitions begin!

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