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Posted: 9/11/2004 3:41:41 AM EST
You gotta check this video out, if I can post it right. It's from San Antonio. Go to the bottom of the page and click on SA man fears AWB .......
According to him the awb contributed to 50 percent less deaths.

www.ksat.com/news/index.html


Link Posted: 9/11/2004 3:45:45 AM EST
I believe it did contribute to approx a 50% reduction in gun crimes. IF you compare the before assault weapons stats to the after assault weapon stats ONLY.
Truthful? Yes, if you use a dash of liberal journalism salts......
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 3:47:28 AM EST
Bullshit reporting. The footage shows hunting rifles and shotguns.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 4:47:14 AM EST
what a croc of shit

lies, lies and more lies.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 8:14:47 AM EST
Who GAF about what some dipshit like that thinks?

Does anyone remember when shall issue concealed carry was made legal? Or when the 55/65 mph national speed limit was repealed?

Same bullshit, different story. The sheep will go back to grazing in another day or two.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 10:51:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
I believe it did contribute to approx a 50% reduction in gun crimes. IF you compare the before assault weapons stats to the after assault weapon stats ONLY.
Truthful? Yes, if you use a dash of liberal journalism salts......



Ok, where did your 50% numbers come from?

The brady bunch claims 66% and it's a totally bogus number.

www.bradycampaign.org/press/release.php?release=546
"The report, "On Target: The Impact of the 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Act," is being released today by the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence. It is based on Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) crime gun trace data..."

There is a real problem with using the gun trace data though. (read that as it's total bullshit to use that data)

www.davekopel.org/2A/LawRev/CluelessBATFtracing.htm

Clueless:
The Misuse of BATF Firearms Tracing Data

"BATF has repeatedly stated that its trace data cannot be used to draw conclusions about patterns of criminal gun use or acquisition."

i2i.org/SuptDocs/Crime/istraces.html
Tracing Misinformation:

How Anti-gun Activists Misuse BATF Data

"The Congressional Research Services cautions that the "firearms Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms selected for tracing cannot be considered representative of the larger universe of all firearms used by criminals or any subset of that universe," because "the firearms selected for tracing do not constitute a random sample." As a result "ATF tracing data could be potentially biased."(10)

The BATF's National Tracing Center makes the same point, advising police departments that the trace data "ONLY reflects trends relating to those firearms for which a trace request is submitted and is only as accurate as the information provided by the trace requesters."(11)

One reason that BATF traces are not representative is that BATF currently rejects most requests to trace pre-1990 guns, since data for these guns are less readily available."
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:02:22 AM EST
San Antonio has more than its share of asskabobs. A compliant media only makes it worse. Check out this butt nugget I photographed downtown on Thursday. She thinks we should surrender to the enemy??? WTF??? Typical enemy-of-America.

Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:04:10 AM EST
the one cop said Automatic weapons were illegal in TX, bullshit that were most of them are
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:04:22 AM EST
Yes that guy is very full of ****
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:04:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By BlammO:
San Antonio has more than its share of asskabobs. A compliant media only makes it worse. Check out this butt nugget I photographed downtown on Thursday. She thinks we should surrender to the enemy??? WTF??? Typical enemy-of-America.

www.MetalSchnitzel.com/images/misc/AssKabob.jpg



Domestic terrorist.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:07:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By RTA:
You gotta check this video out, if I can post it right. It's from San Antonio. Go to the bottom of the page and click on SA man fears AWB .......
According to him the awb contributed to 50 percent less deaths.

www.ksat.com/news/index.html





The drop in firearm deaths (homicide, legal intervention, and suicides) from 1993(year before the ban) to 2000(last year WISQARS has data available). These are firearm deaths not so called assault weapon related firearm deaths

1993 39,595 (18,940 Suicides, 18,253 Homicides, 318 Legal intervention)
2000 28,663 (16,586 Suicides, 10,801 Homicides, 270 Legal Intervention)

Being that no so called assault weapons aren't even in the BATFEs list of top 10 recovered crime guns, it's implausble that the awb could have contributed very much at all to the 27.6% (WTF 50% came from I have no idea, I always call BS when people pull that crap) reduction in firearm deaths from 1993 to 2000.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:13:22 AM EST
Who cares ??


Really, WHO CARES ???



It's over except for the whining of the cry-babies. Waah waaaaaaah.


Someone really, REALLY need to gather the crime stats for the last year in L.A. and then compare it to the next (upcoming) year - and SHOVE IT IN THE FACE of that asshole L.A. police chief who was spouting all this crap about "let the carnage begin on Monday" and about how many police officers would be killed now.


It really pisses me off when people say stuff, and then nobody seems to remember later how blatantly they lied. ... but of course a year from now, something else will be in the news, and nobody will care
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 11:54:49 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 12:27:58 PM EST

Originally Posted By brasspile:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

It really pisses me off when people say stuff, and then nobody seems to remember later how blatantly they lied. ... but of course a year from now, something else will be in the news, and nobody will care



Did you say something?

just wait until the archive server is up and I will prove you owe me a beer!



Dammit - seems EVERYONE is remembering the beers I owe them these days.


The only bet I remember is that when there was some demented story about the U.N. moving their headquarters to Baghdad - and a bunch of people were claiming it was true (it may have been over at pre-ban.com) I promised that I would wear a pink ballerina outfit to work if it happened.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 12:30:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:

Originally Posted By RTA:
You gotta check this video out, if I can post it right. It's from San Antonio. Go to the bottom of the page and click on SA man fears AWB .......
According to him the awb contributed to 50 percent less deaths.

www.ksat.com/news/index.html





The drop in firearm deaths (homicide, legal intervention, and suicides) from 1993(year before the ban) to 2000(last year WISQARS has data available). These are firearm deaths not so called assault weapon related firearm deaths

1993 39,595 (18,940 Suicides, 18,253 Homicides, 318 Legal intervention)
2000 28,663 (16,586 Suicides, 10,801 Homicides, 270 Legal Intervention)

Being that no so called assault weapons aren't even in the BATFEs list of top 10 recovered crime guns, it's implausble that the awb could have contributed very much at all to the 27.6% (WTF 50% came from I have no idea, I always call BS when people pull that crap) reduction in firearm deaths from 1993 to 2000.



FWIW, almost all of that drop can be attributed to the improving economy between 1993 and 2000...
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 12:52:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By IamtheNRA:

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:

Originally Posted By RTA:
You gotta check this video out, if I can post it right. It's from San Antonio. Go to the bottom of the page and click on SA man fears AWB .......
According to him the awb contributed to 50 percent less deaths.

www.ksat.com/news/index.html





The drop in firearm deaths (homicide, legal intervention, and suicides) from 1993(year before the ban) to 2000(last year WISQARS has data available). These are firearm deaths not so called assault weapon related firearm deaths

1993 39,595 (18,940 Suicides, 18,253 Homicides, 318 Legal intervention)
2000 28,663 (16,586 Suicides, 10,801 Homicides, 270 Legal Intervention)

Being that no so called assault weapons aren't even in the BATFEs list of top 10 recovered crime guns, it's implausble that the awb could have contributed very much at all to the 27.6% (WTF 50% came from I have no idea, I always call BS when people pull that crap) reduction in firearm deaths from 1993 to 2000.



FWIW, almost all of that drop can be attributed to the improving economy between 1993 and 2000...



I wouldn't go so fas as to claim that. Economic factors would be one of many.

Homicide Firearm Deaths


1981 15,089
1982 13,830
1983 12,040
1984 11,815
1985 11,836
1986 13,029
1987 12,657
1988 13,645
1989 14,464
1990 16,218
1991 17,746
1992 17,488
1993 18,253
1994 17,527
1995 15,551
1996 14,037
1997 13,252
1998 11,798
1999 10,828
2000 10,801
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 1:01:48 PM EST
What BS!
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 1:05:15 PM EST
Phil,
From the Feinstein interview. I cant remember the other senator that was up there, but he said assault weapon crime dropped from approx 3% to 1.5%. Thats a 50% drop.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 1:20:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Phil,
From the Feinstein interview. I cant remember the other senator that was up there, but he said assault weapon crime dropped from approx 3% to 1.5%. Thats a 50% drop.



From the witchs website
In 1995, the first year that the ban went into effect, assault weapons represented 3.57 percent of all crime guns recovered from crimes. By 2002, assault weapons represented only 1.22 percent of the number of guns used in crimes.


I suspect but don't know for sure that they are using the Trace Data, which they have been repeatedly told, by the .govs even, cannot be used for those purposes, it just doesn't work.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 1:28:48 PM EST
What a fucking homo.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 1:29:23 PM EST

Originally Posted By Phil_in_Seattle:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Phil,
From the Feinstein interview. I cant remember the other senator that was up there, but he said assault weapon crime dropped from approx 3% to 1.5%. Thats a 50% drop.



From the witchs website
In 1995, the first year that the ban went into effect, assault weapons represented 3.57 percent of all crime guns recovered from crimes. By 2002, assault weapons represented only 1.22 percent of the number of guns used in crimes.


I suspect but don't know for sure that they are using the Trace Data, which they have been repeatedly told, by the .govs even, cannot be used for those purposes, it just doesn't work.



I'll agree with that. Regardless, its a non issue IMO anyways. Hell, if politicians REALLY wanted a safer America they'd ban alcohol wouldnt they? Not many motions for that though.
BTW, great sig.
Link Posted: 9/11/2004 1:42:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
I believe it did contribute to approx a 50% reduction in gun crimes. IF you compare the before assault weapons stats to the after assault weapon stats ONLY.
Truthful? Yes, if you use a dash of liberal journalism salts......



The AWB ban did nothing at all to reduce gun crimes. Anyone can make statistics do anything they want. Figures do lie, and liars do figure. Nothing here is directed at you, understand, just making a general statement. Remind me to tell the story about the three duck hunters sometime.

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