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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:00:48 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe 10-20 years from now studies will show that COVID infections have changed people mentally, I work in the public sector and employees and the public are not the same. Something did happen, it’s not just long COVID or depression that some suffer from. You're kinda on the right path. Its covid-related, but its not due to actual sickness. People got away from the grind and suddenly realize there is more to life than spending all day doing something meaningless in an office. They’ve had a taste of freedom, a freedom to live their lives as they want and have little repercussions, at least not at this very moment. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:01:15 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Teachers, like myself, fucking suck. GD tells me all the time. We are lazy and don't do anything. The people on GD who can't spell or write a coherent sentence should take over. And, commas are hard. Subjects and predicates. Hard. It would be great if you didn’t look like you are 4 years old. Fuck that, sweatpants and crocs at Walmart for fancy dress. I was going to label this post ironic… Before your quick edit. Lol |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:02:39 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe 10-20 years from now studies will show that COVID infections have changed people mentally, I work in the public sector and employees and the public are not the same. Something did happen, it’s not just long COVID or depression that some suffer from. A lot of people legit went mad for several years. People who were still self quarantining in 2022. On the flip side, a lot of other people stopped giving a fuck about the rules once they saw what else was going on around society and what little reaction there was to it from the authorities. I won't lie, I am a far far bitter, angrier person than I was three years ago, and my appetite for bullshit in public is very very low now. In my industry (maritime) we've had ships have to get USCG exemptions several times because they could not fill a crew position with a relief crewmember when one leaves. They put out the call to the various union halls and nobody takes the job. Positions that had guys on waiting lists just several years ago. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:03:47 PM EST
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My trade is so bad (HVAC/R) I was begged by my old company to come back. I had only been gone a year. In that year, I got 3 to 4 calls daily from our TSA (Tech Support Analysis) on how to fix very simple issues. We are fucked...your ac goes down, GL getting it fixed in under 2 weeks...no coils, no personality modules, no body in the OEM to make the coils and parts..and when we get equipment, 20%is trashed from untrained warehouse monkeys.
This week, after a 4 month wait, a Trane 2T 460V 2 stage, coated condenser arrived. I arrive at our freight depot in Miami to make sure it stays alive. I was 5 min too late. A newly arrived Columbian warehouse monkey ran a fork thru it..I just wanted to cry a little kid....the business it was going too will now have to close |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:06:44 PM EST
[#5]
Quoted: Listening last night to a police officer in a large community and she said they are short staffed. Are people sitting home? Do we have more jobs post covid and not enough workers? Help me understand. No worker shortage in my state. Wonder why? “In Alabama, people can draw up to $275 a week in unemployment compensation for up to 14 weeks. Those who enter a qualified training program can qualify for an additional five weeks.” After that, fuck off you dead beat ! I don’t know what those other states are doing. As far as cops and teachers, I would not put up with their full of bull-shit thankless job for less than $150k/yr. That’s a lot in my state. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:08:35 PM EST
[#6]
We have retired or are close to retiring.
You WILL appreciate us after we are gone and we will sit back, laugh, sip our Metamucil and say F you and your snot nosed little shit not here today employees. Then we will go on line and order what we want instead.  I can fix 99% of my own shit, have enough spare parts, clothes and such, that, what I don't have, I really don't care much about anyways. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:09:41 PM EST
[#7]
A lot of them have reached retirement age. Follow on generations are smaller. Do the math.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:09:54 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe 10-20 years from now studies will show that COVID infections have changed people mentally, I work in the public sector and employees and the public are not the same. Something did happen, it’s not just long COVID or depression that some suffer from. The whole covid reset how people look at work and what is essential to do. Oh, I can stay home and do my job while F’n off or even going out shopping or hiking in the woods? I can get kept out of work and get paid by the government? Nice, lots of young people that worked like waitresses etc just said F it. The low skill low pay job persons are in the it doesn’t matter mindset. Frankly I got sick of the BS when they were telling me get the shot, pay for weekly covid testing out of my pocket or get locked out of work. I simply submitted my retirement paperwork about ten months earlier than my original plan. Burnt out and don’t feel like playing, I saved a big chunk on my own for retirement and took a pension too. Wish I had more? of course but I have enough. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:10:02 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Around here starting salary for a cop or teacher is about 50k I have done both of those jobs in the past; cop for a couple years in early 90's and a teacher for 19 years. A cop now with all the bullshit? No thanks. Anybody that has never worked in public schools as a teacher has no clue how hard it can be; use to 50% of teachers quit to do something different in the first five years. Its not worth it, those jobs should pay way more than what they do; that is why there is a shortage of people who want to do them. Amen brother. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:10:08 PM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was going to label this post ironic… Before your quick edit. Lol Yeah, typing fast on a phone. My fingers apparently hit other keys on this 2 inch keyboard. I hate it. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:12:40 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Massive numbers of Gen X cops hit retirement age last few years. 2020 pushed many to punching out as soon as possible. A lot of these cops were hired during the big hiring push in the 90s. Present! I was right at the front end of the COPS grant hiring timeline, made for fast seniority as places staffed up. Last of the tier 1’s, everyone after me got the new deal, then everyone who retired in the 90’s did so well on pensions that they fucked up the whole system making sure that could not happen again. There will never be as many good applicants these days, not with how LE has been treated the last few years. Everyone is just hanging on trying to reach retirement age at this point. The agencies are paying incredibly well trying to attract workers and keep people there, and for the most part it is still failing. Anyhow- In OR/WA, LE and teachers can/could do pretty well. Wife (teacher in a non-woke district) and I are still well above the 90th percentile on income, and I retired out a few years ago so I am only bringing in half as much as when I was working. I can’t imagine doing that job today for 50k, hell I made that in the mid 90’s with OT when I was at the bottom end of the pay scale. The problem is that in WA for example, you can get so many freebies and benefits from the state, why bother to work at all? There is a hell of a lot of financial incentives to stay home, get high all day, and play video games. Perfect democrat voters… We won’t fix things until the finances pencil out to where people who can actually work will need to do so instead of sponging off the taxpayers. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:22:14 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:Remember when DeSantis wanted veterans in the classroom? The first year, all 6 statewide quit. Last year, 38 of 38 statewide quit. This year, looks like none of the 65 are staying either. Shit. Any data on reasons? Curious about the pay vs. "these fucking kids" ratio among the departures. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:23:26 PM EST
[#13]
That won’t happen until the taxpayer gets off his duff and forces the politicians to stop raising taxes just to fritter it away on losers who won’t work.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:37:29 PM EST
[#14]
I don’t understand at all other than being a cop is not a job as many people want now. Back in the day they could pay nothing to start but offer good benefits and eventual bumps in pay and they would turn down thousands upon thousands of applicants and you had to follow a specific path or know someone to get hired. Pretty much exact same deal with teachers. Oh sure, cop/teacher cushy gig starting at $70k where you have to know someone, those jobs are taken,. But a title 1 school district or city dept they can’t get enough people to do the job because it really sucks now more now than ever before.
The rest of the job market idk either. If you’re in you’re in, and you’re golden, if you’re out you’re out ,and you’re fucked but that doesn’t seems to matter either as they seem to be getting by fine too. How I have no earthly idea. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 3:47:12 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Weed shop owner I drove by a small town weed shop in the UP MI. There were 20+ people standing in line outside on the handicap ramp IN THE RAIN waiting to buy. I consider myself libertarian leaning, but good God no wonder there's no one working. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:03:04 PM EST
[#16]
Every time this comes up for discussion few ever call out the real reason this is.
There are simply not enough people to support the level of services we have now to sustain the population at today's level. We will see a inverse affect of this once the boomers begin to decline faster... we are just around the half way point now so have a number of years to go. Since birth rates are very low; low experience jobs are few and far taken as simply not enough young people to fill them. In professional levels you have the opposite affect; not anywhere near the amount of skilled labor to fill all of them boomers are exiting and a price war is happening for a select group. I am in this group and see it; it will continue to get worse unless brand new labor comes in to fill the gap and a retraction of services most of us are accustomed too. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:05:57 PM EST
[#17]
Sleeping in their parents house all day & playing video games all night...
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:06:29 PM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The labor participation rate has dropped because some states are paying people more than $100,000 a year to not work and plenty pay more than $80,000. You want to go look for a job and work or just sit at home and make $40-$50 an hour? Source. This, plus the rest are staying at home in the basement or living in group houses and making enough in the gig economy to get along. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:08:50 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Many people are coming to the conclusion that modern corporatist western civilization just isn't worth the effort to keep it afloat. My Mexican neighbor, here legally, is seriously considering going back to Mexico. If that doesn't tell you something........ Tony |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:13:34 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shit. Any data on reasons? Curious about the pay vs. "these fucking kids" ratio among the departures. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted:Remember when DeSantis wanted veterans in the classroom? The first year, all 6 statewide quit. Last year, 38 of 38 statewide quit. This year, looks like none of the 65 are staying either. Shit. Any data on reasons? Curious about the pay vs. "these fucking kids" ratio among the departures. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:14:32 PM EST
[#21]
The illegal population is huge but not eligible to work some jobs. Those jobs have high demand from a swelling population but the same or smaller work force to draw from.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:20:27 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Every time this comes up for discussion few ever call out the real reason this is. There are simply not enough people to support the level of services we have now to sustain the population at today's level. We will see a inverse affect of this once the boomers begin to decline faster... we are just around the half way point now so have a number of years to go. Since birth rates are very low; low experience jobs are few and far taken as simply not enough young people to fill them. In professional levels you have the opposite affect; not anywhere near the amount of skilled labor to fill all of them boomers are exiting and a price war is happening for a select group. I am in this group and see it; it will continue to get worse unless brand new labor comes in to fill the gap and a retraction of services most of us are accustomed too. Something to that, but the overall labor participation rate is down 4.4% since 2002. If 12 million people started looking for work because they needed a job to feed, clothe and house themselves those low skilled jobs would be filled. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:24:38 PM EST
[#23]
If people are deciding to live on less and be happy with it, then why are the prices of toys like cars, trucks, and boats still so inflated? I’d think less people are buying these things therefore driving down demand.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:27:55 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Something to that, but the overall labor participation rate is down 4.4% since 2002. If 12 million people started looking for work because they needed a job to feed, clothe and house themselves those low skilled jobs would be filled. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Every time this comes up for discussion few ever call out the real reason this is. There are simply not enough people to support the level of services we have now to sustain the population at today's level. We will see a inverse affect of this once the boomers begin to decline faster... we are just around the half way point now so have a number of years to go. Since birth rates are very low; low experience jobs are few and far taken as simply not enough young people to fill them. In professional levels you have the opposite affect; not anywhere near the amount of skilled labor to fill all of them boomers are exiting and a price war is happening for a select group. I am in this group and see it; it will continue to get worse unless brand new labor comes in to fill the gap and a retraction of services most of us are accustomed too. Something to that, but the overall labor participation rate is down 4.4% since 2002. If 12 million people started looking for work because they needed a job to feed, clothe and house themselves those low skilled jobs would be filled. When $16/hr isn’t worth it to get out of bed in the morning this is what you get. The median sold/sale price for a house here is around $500k. People will live with their parents and get a job for a week to get some spending money but they aren’t looking to make a career out of Salad Works. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:29:38 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Stop the 'free' hand outs and most will be willing to work!! We did this to ourselves! If there were no "benefits" and the only way you ate is if you worked or begged, people would work, and those who truly needed the help would receive it from charity. "But the children would suffer"... possibly. Free lunch at schools 365 days a year so they get at least one meal a day. I was just talking to a friend of mine who grew up really poor. She said to me, "I just don't understand why my parents wouldn't get jobs, like what motivates them to just do nothing with their lives?" and I explained to her that the reason they thought it was ok was because government programs made it comfortable enough. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:31:54 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If people are deciding to live on less and be happy with it, then why are the prices of toys like cars, trucks, and boats still so inflated? I’d think less people are buying these things therefore driving down demand. Those items are sitting right now. All the people who could buy a $70,000 Ram did so. But manufacturers being the dumbasses they are thought they could only make $70,000 Rams and everyone would buy them. They can only lower the price so much, you aren’t getting a $70,000 equipped truck for $40,000, you can get it for $62,000 so they sit. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:32:57 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Because they're atheist materialists. They're disgusting wretches. Don’t forget hedonists. An alarming number of people think that the purpose of life is to experience as much pleasure as possible. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:35:40 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I made $50,000 a year in 2005 when I dropped out of college to work that job. I have a girl that drives a forklift that will make $54,000 this year. She works 7a-4p. This year there is no OT and I'll still be around $60k. The guys who work under me will be around $40-45k each. This is 3x 12hr shifts per week, 7a-7p, and rotates either M-W or T-S, with Sunday being OT (but we have been shutting down Sundays this entire year). 4 days off a week. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:39:23 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Those items are sitting right now. All the people who could buy a $70,000 Ram did so. But manufacturers being the dumbasses they are thought they could only make $70,000 Rams and everyone would buy them. They can only lower the price so much, you aren't getting a $70,000 equipped truck for $40,000, you can get it for $62,000 so they sit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If people are deciding to live on less and be happy with it, then why are the prices of toys like cars, trucks, and boats still so inflated? I'd think less people are buying these things therefore driving down demand. Those items are sitting right now. All the people who could buy a $70,000 Ram did so. But manufacturers being the dumbasses they are thought they could only make $70,000 Rams and everyone would buy them. They can only lower the price so much, you aren't getting a $70,000 equipped truck for $40,000, you can get it for $62,000 so they sit. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:43:57 PM EST
[#30]
My city has proclaimed many times that equity, not equality, and diversity are the number one priority in hiring city workers.
That means no huwhite pepo need apply. My oldest, freshman in college now, started applying everywhere that had a help wanted or now hiring sign. Rarely got call backs or interviews. One local place she applied at is soon closing and one of their excuses was they could not find applicants. She ended up working food service at a retirement facility part time during high school and full time during summer making decent money and qualified for full benefits. I sometimes wonder if these cities are bemoaning lack of applicants to lobby for h1bs and illegals filling the jobs. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:47:35 PM EST
[#31]
In my not so immediate AO it's school bus drivers. The city had to double up on route pickups to get all their participating students to the cafeteria. Can't say I blame anyone for not wanting to haul a bunch of out of control crotch fruit to the local government babysitters. A 70+ YO bus monitor was punched out last week for jacking up some little shit for vaping on the bus. Kid was released on an appearance ticket for disorderly. Fuckin animals.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:48:22 PM EST
[#32]
Mandatory vax drove pit a lot of people.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:48:54 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The labor participation rate has dropped because some states are paying people more than $100,000 a year to not work and plenty pay more than $80,000. You want to go look for a job and work or just sit at home and make $40-$50 an hour? Source. There is a lot of comparing apples to oranges in that paper. Like comparing both parents getting a total amount of unemployment , you know you actually have to lose your job and the benefit does last all that long, to the salary of a single firefighter. There is a lot of deception in that article. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:51:07 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe 10-20 years from now studies will show that COVID infections have changed people mentally, I work in the public sector and employees and the public are not the same. Something did happen, it’s not just long COVID or depression that some suffer from. You are absolutely correct. Something dramatically has changed people. I deliver food for a food bank and you can see people are getting cancer,sick or just giving up. Has anyone noted the illegals are not required to get the clot shot? |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:52:54 PM EST
[#35]
One thing I've noticed is teenagers don't really work anymore, but I'm not sure why
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:58:02 PM EST
[#36]
Cleveland, OH is roughly 400 cops under being fully staffed. It's really bad out there on the streets. Every shift they have to ask people to volunteer to work a double. If no one offers, then they choose officers to stay on.
Part of the problem is a "civilian review board" that NO COP wants to deal with. Coupled with the suburbs poaching cops by offering better salary, better bennies, hiring bonuses, etc |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 4:59:55 PM EST
[#37]
I have been to 3 Starbucks and 2 Dunkin’s recently and walked out after 5 minutes of waiting at the cash register and nobody taking my order. 3 of those had only 1 person working there and thery were too busy working the drive through to bother with the in store customer.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:03:04 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My Mexican neighbor, here legally, is seriously considering going back to Mexico. If that doesn't tell you something........ Tony Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Many people are coming to the conclusion that modern corporatist western civilization just isn't worth the effort to keep it afloat. My Mexican neighbor, here legally, is seriously considering going back to Mexico. If that doesn't tell you something........ Tony We’ve voted till we’re blue in the face to reduce immigration, but only America going to shite will do the trick. I work as a contractor. It’s spotty income, but most employers are morons who underpay and mistreat their employees. I might never get another wagie job again, though I would like the steady income. Dealing with the public and/or retard managers and co-workers is unbearable, particularly when your pay is shrinking every day with inflation and you know you’ll never get ahead. Add woke politics, vaccine mandates, and crap work/life balance and I don’t blame anyone for living as bum. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:07:46 PM EST
[#39]
I’m a boomer. Just last week I pulled the retirement handle. I’ll he gone by end of next month.
Management is already crying. They can’t find anyone to work shift work 24/7/365 while being shit on every day. The younger folks come in, work a few months, find another job, and leave. When us old fucks finally rotate out the company is hosed. We all tried to warn them. This place has had a reputation for decades as a great place to work. In reality it sucks ass. Management always counted on that old reputation to get workers. People used to line up around the block to apply. Now it’s a ghost town. Ya know whut? I don’t give a fuck anymore. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:10:12 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Biden is issuing work permits to 400K Venezuelans to do the jobs Americans will not do. This should take care of the shortage of skilled and educated workers. You 'member how everyone was scared of the foreign blue helmets were gonna be coming in and laying down law for the people in charge? Well, it's gonna be like that, but kinda not. But still kinda. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:10:40 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anybody that has never worked in public schools as a teacher has no clue how hard it can be; use to 50% of teachers quit to do something different in the first five years. Its not worth it, those jobs should pay way more than what they do; that is why there is a shortage of people who want to do them. 
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:11:25 PM EST
[#42]
uh they are retired thats where.
people didnt have enough kids. surprise. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:11:47 PM EST
[#43]
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:12:57 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: uh they are retired thats where. people didnt have enough kids. surprise. It's ok, Pedro and Jesus did. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:13:02 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One thing I've noticed is teenagers don't really work anymore, but I'm not sure why Bad crazy parents. Or none at all. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:13:03 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Around here starting salary for a cop or teacher is about 50k I have done both of those jobs in the past; cop for a couple years in early 90's and a teacher for 19 years. A cop now with all the bullshit? No thanks. Anybody that has never worked in public schools as a teacher has no clue how hard it can be; use to 50% of teachers quit to do something different in the first five years. Its not worth it, those jobs should pay way more than what they do; that is why there is a shortage of people who want to do them. I’d work fast food before I’d be a cop. I’d be poor but I wouldn’t starve since most places offer free meals. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:15:06 PM EST
[#47]
The lack of skilled workers in manufacturing is a threat to national security. We can’t build ships, subs, aircraft, tanks etcetera without workers. It’s not like the auto industry where we can just make some robots to do the work.
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:17:27 PM EST
[#48]
Quoted: Listening last night to a police officer in a large community and she said they are short staffed. Are people sitting home? Do we have more jobs post covid and not enough workers? Help me understand. Go stand in front of your local courthouse, city hall, police department, or similar filming with a cell phone to get a better idea on how many police are in the area. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:18:16 PM EST
[#49]
sign the line bro
Quoted: Listening last night to a police officer in a large community and she said they are short staffed. Are people sitting home? Do we have more jobs post covid and not enough workers? Help me understand. |
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Posted: 9/23/2023 5:22:15 PM EST
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