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Posted: 12/14/2016 9:21:59 AM EST
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To make a long story short, back around fall 2015, after Exxon stopped all funding to Hillary's crooked bullshit foundation, she then demanded federal investigation of the company.  Tillerson wanted nothing more to do with it.  So why would Exxon support the foundation and then suddenly stop?  Well, remember late 2015 some news started coming out which began outing all the crap Hillary's foundation was doing. 

And now, Tillerson is in the SoS spot.  He and Trump most likely discussed these factors during their meeting.

Trump is a trolling messiah!
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 9:25:13 AM EST
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Interezting.

they started pushing the Russia angle again right as it became public that Tillerman was picked for the job.
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any ideas what his views are on Syria?  the Iran Deal?  the rest of the Middle East?

Link Posted: 12/14/2016 9:46:43 AM EST
I've read the guy is pro abortion and pro homosexual.
Link Posted: 12/14/2016 9:51:16 AM EST
Tillerson....

No he is the exact opposite of that.

And those issues matter not for Sec. of State
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Who gives a fuck?
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So?
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This. I mean does anyone actually know what his views are on anything? I don't know anything about the guy outside of his Exxon experiences.....
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I've read the guy is pro abortion and pro homosexual.


So?


It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.
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We are our own worst enemy.
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I could give a shit who people want to have sex with as long as it's all consenting adults.
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Good thing he's not running for a religious office then.

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Agree
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A person is gay. Ergo,... what?

Give me an example of your logical reasoning. Write it as a syllogism so those of us with a massive lack of ignorance can understand.

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Who gives a fuck?
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I've read the guy is pro abortion and pro homosexual.



Who gives a fuck?


This.
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Yep
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Read more, post less.
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Originally Posted By HighLighter:
I've read the guy is pro abortion and pro homosexual.


So?


It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.

Or a different starting point on the reasoning.   I'm not pro abortion, but as a small l libertarian I think it should be legal but discouraged.  If someone wants one they or their insurance can pay for it.  I shouldn't have to pay for someone to have one.   I don't care one way or another if someone is gay, but I've known some really good people who are gay.   That matters about as much as their height or their skin color.  The problem isn't their sexual orientation.  It's the activists who are in your face demanding we do things their way.
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This. I could care less what our SoS thinks about these topics.
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Why we can not have nice things...
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A person is gay. Ergo,... what?

Give me an example of your logical reasoning. Write it as a syllogism so those of us with a massive lack of ignorance can understand.

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Originally Posted By 762AR25:

It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.


A person is gay. Ergo,... what?

Give me an example of your logical reasoning. Write it as a syllogism so those of us with a massive lack of ignorance can understand.



You can kill a baby 3 months before it is born and get nothing. Do it 3 months after and you get a life sentence. Also, how is this in line with "do no harm"?

Two guys can cross words or pound each in the ass or whatever until the end of time. They will never reproduce. They are nothing more than an anomaly in the course of existence, a brief blip that will vanish quickly and leave no (genetic) legacy. Not to be praised, applauded, special rules made for, or to force the masses to accept with open arms like "pro-homosexual" activists want.
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When you get to that level of eliteness (?), you have been groomed and selected for years by the company and it's company men.
They would play ball with the devil if it benefitted them or the company; and of that you should have no doubt.
I couldn't tell you if he was a good man or not; what I have seen of these type guys is they couldn't give a fuck less of what you or I thought about anything.
And that attitude starts way lower on their food chain. We are beneath them in their eyes.

That's not to say they're not good at their job.
But if it comes to their well being or yours; you're going to lose out. Period. Every time.
They'll fill you full of bs, give you the pep talk, talk about teamwork; but the truth is, you (we) aren't part of the team; "they" are the team, we are minions.
"They" won't be jumping on the grenade if it comes down to it.

I'm not saying that he wouldn't be very beneficial on a SoS negotiating team; but I would really like to have J. Bolton as lead SoS.
I still think he would have very strong ties to ExxonMobil afterward. Backroom deals with FHRC, that's probably not the only backroom deals that were made.
There's a little saying about Exxon (look at a logo); the sign of the doublecross. Its not far from the truth.
Course some will just call that high stakes corporate bidness.
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I have read one article stating Tillerson lobbied the Boy Scouts of America to let gay Scouts and gay adult leaders be in the BSA. I do not know whether this is true or not, and I don't know whether it was when he was BSA President or not. But if he did push BSA to let gay Scouts and gay adult leaders in, then I am pissed off at him. BSA was working perfectly fine and did not need to do that.

I'm not anti-gay in any way. But at the same time, it is pure social engineering within an organization that has religious and moral standards that do not necessarily approve of homosexuality. And letting openly gay adult leaders into Scouting puts Scouts at risk without doing anything to reinforce Scout Oath or Scout Law.
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We talk about how the democrats can't learn from their mistakes, yet most conservatives are no better.  Conservatives have seriously damaged their chances of winning national elections over abortion and gay rights. This thread is a fine example of it.

Stay on target with civil rights, fiscal conservatism, law and order, smart foreign policy and you'll be golden.  Start slipping back into the 80's mold of anti abortion and anti gay rights and you'll lose women and young people by the droves.
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All I know for sure is it is a much better pick than who Hillary would be appointing to the same spot about now.
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We talk about how the democrats can't learn from their mistakes, yet most conservatives are no better.  Conservatives have seriously damaged their chances of winning national elections over abortion and gay rights. This thread is a fine example of it.

Stay on target with civil rights, fiscal conservatism, law and order, smart foreign policy and you'll be golden.  Start slipping back into the 80's mold of anti abortion and anti gay rights and you'll lose women and young people by the droves.
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Originally Posted By 762AR25:


It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.


We talk about how the democrats can't learn from their mistakes, yet most conservatives are no better.  Conservatives have seriously damaged their chances of winning national elections over abortion and gay rights. This thread is a fine example of it.

Stay on target with civil rights, fiscal conservatism, law and order, smart foreign policy and you'll be golden.  Start slipping back into the 80's mold of anti abortion and anti gay rights and you'll lose women and young people by the droves.


I'm more of a libertarian/anarchist really.

I hate to see any politician champion ANY minority group, be it indians, blacks, gays/miscellaneous weirdos or whoever. As veteran, I'm also sick of all the veterans joining the FSA and don't like seeing people use us to advance their causes either.

As far as abortion goes who defines when life begins? That is the crux of the issue. Taking a holesaw to a person at the earliest stages of development and sucking the pieces out with a vacuum seems a pretty crude and uncivilized method (government sanctioned) of killing a US citizen.
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I have nothing to back this up, so take it for what its worth (nothing).
I was talking to a guy originally from Syria and he had relatives both in the Assad government and family with the rebels.
He was told that Exxon was working for the government drilling for oil in guarded fenced compounds in Syria.
During all this mess in Syria, he has lost about 60% of his relatives. And there is nothing he can do about it.
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One of the reasons Trump won the election is he didn't hammer those issues like a typical Republican.

The vast majority of people don't give a shit anymore.
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Originally Posted By HighLighter:
I've read the guy is pro abortion and pro homosexual.


So?


It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.

LOL

Ok, Mr. Spock, explain to the class how getting your panties in a twist over homosexuality is the least bit logical.

Bonus points if you can do the same for abortion.  A logical person would argue that abortion (not including late term) is a vital option in our modern society.

ETA: Nevermind, I see you already tried but presented an emotional argument instead of a logical one... so you fail.

Your issue is with activism, not homosexuality.  Your argument against abortion is based on cultural choices, not logic.
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It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.

Agree


Many would say the same about your point of view.
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Originally Posted By Cypher214:

LOL

Ok, Mr. Spock, explain to the class how getting your panties in a twist over homosexuality is the least bit logical.

Bonus points if you can do the same for abortion.  A logical person would argue that abortion (not including late term) is a vital option in our modern society.

ETA: Nevermind, I see you already tried but presented an emotional argument instead of a logical one... so you fail.

Your issue is with activism, not homosexuality.  Your argument against abortion is based on cultural choices, not logic.
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Originally Posted By HighLighter:
I've read the guy is pro abortion and pro homosexual.


So?


It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.

LOL

Ok, Mr. Spock, explain to the class how getting your panties in a twist over homosexuality is the least bit logical.

Bonus points if you can do the same for abortion.  A logical person would argue that abortion (not including late term) is a vital option in our modern society.

ETA: Nevermind, I see you already tried but presented an emotional argument instead of a logical one... so you fail.

Your issue is with activism, not homosexuality.  Your argument against abortion is based on cultural choices, not logic.


I may have used the word hate but emotion has nothing to do with why it is the wrong course.

Activism leads to legislation. We need less laws, not more. Not only that the very fucking last thing we need are laws on the books giving special rights and privileges to every single person that thinks they are some special snowflake.

The same with abortion. Where is the logic in using exiting the birth canal as the cutoff for murder/manslaughter? Were they not alive one month ago? Two? Three?
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I didn't know Secretary of State dealt with those things.

Hmm. 
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People complain that we have life-long politicians who have never done anything but politics... And, then when someone who has been successful in other areas of life gets appointed or runs for office...? They complain he/she "...has no experience in government, or any track record at it...".

Not saying that is what you're doing here, but you are kinda close to the edge. If you want competency and outsiders (from big government), you are going to have to accept a lack of the so-called "credentials" we are used to.

Frankly, this is exactly the kind of person I want in jobs like these. The "professional" politicians like, oh, say... Hillary? Kerry? They haven't exactly covered themselves in glory or displayed much in the way of actual, y'know... Competence.
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I'm still hoping Rick Santorum gets the SoS job
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Is he pro aborting homosexuals or pro homo-sexing abortionists? I hope it's the latter.
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We talk about how the democrats can't learn from their mistakes, yet most conservatives are no better.  Conservatives have seriously damaged their chances of winning national elections over abortion and gay rights. This thread is a fine example of it.

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And yet you are probably not intelligent enough to understand the difference between natural rights and gay rights. One is negative and one is positive and should not exist.

People who are pro gay advocate for special or
Positive rights for homosexuals.

Thats where my
Pro liberty ends i am against anyone who wants special consideration, affirmative action or special protections that makes one class more equal to others.

Eta civil rights were created for recently freed slaves ... there are none of those alive now .
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Pro, as in he openly advocates the position or he takes the position of its not my business I can care less what other people do?

Big difference, but it's a non issue for the majority of people.

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Actually I think he'd make it into the Pope's entourage these days.
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Support for gays and abortion makes you a fag that commits murder.  Some of you all are retarded, and obviously uneducated.
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I don't care. 
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I may have used the word hate but emotion has nothing to do with why it is the wrong course.

Activism leads to legislation. We need less laws, not more. Not only that the very fucking last thing we need are laws on the books giving special rights and privileges to every single person that thinks they are some special snowflake.

The same with abortion. Where is the logic in using exiting the birth canal as the cutoff for murder/manslaughter? Were they not alive one month ago? Two? Three?
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Originally Posted By Lomshek:
Originally Posted By HighLighter:
I've read the guy is pro abortion and pro homosexual.


So?


It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.

LOL

Ok, Mr. Spock, explain to the class how getting your panties in a twist over homosexuality is the least bit logical.

Bonus points if you can do the same for abortion.  A logical person would argue that abortion (not including late term) is a vital option in our modern society.

ETA: Nevermind, I see you already tried but presented an emotional argument instead of a logical one... so you fail.

Your issue is with activism, not homosexuality.  Your argument against abortion is based on cultural choices, not logic.


I may have used the word hate but emotion has nothing to do with why it is the wrong course.

Activism leads to legislation. We need less laws, not more. Not only that the very fucking last thing we need are laws on the books giving special rights and privileges to every single person that thinks they are some special snowflake.

The same with abortion. Where is the logic in using exiting the birth canal as the cutoff for murder/manslaughter? Were they not alive one month ago? Two? Three?


Again, your issue is with activism, not homosexuality.

Your argument against abortion is clearly based on religion since you seem to be taking the "life begins at conception" stance.  

If you're going to base your arguments on everything but logic, stop claiming your position is logical.
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Only in GD can we go from a thread about the Secretary of State and Trump and turn it into a purse swinging dick measuring contest about gays and abortion in 4 posts.

Gawd I love this place.
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So you say, but what you fail to understand that social progressivism paves the way for the parts of progressivism that you don't want.
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Arfcom, never change. 
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Again, your issue is with activism, not homosexuality.

Your argument against abortion is clearly based on religion since you seem to be taking the "life begins at conception" stance.  

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My daughter is now pregnant with our second grandchild. She found out that she was pregnant August 1, she's due in April. I can guarantee that he's been "alive" since the 2nd week of August. Religion has nothing to do with it. He's a little person, aborting him at any time is murder ! Maybe it feels better to call him a fetus, but to me, he's my grandson, and we can't wait for him to get here ! My argument is scientifically killing babies as a means of birth control !
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Pffftt...


What 16'ers worry about would be downright funny, if it didn't broadcast such a tiny intellect.
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How is that remotely relevant to the job he's likely to get?

Who did you want to get the job?  Romney?  Hell, he supported Roe V. Wade 20 years ago.
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Not to hijack, but those are morality and emotional issues--the diametric opposition of reason.

Ever wonder why the GOPe has been losing ground with younger voters?

TC
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Not to hijack, but those are morality and emotional issues--the diametric opposition of reason.

Ever wonder why the GOPe has been losing ground with younger voters?

TC
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It isn't true but to me those are both character faults as they show a massive lack of logical reasoning.


Not to hijack, but those are morality and emotional issues--the diametric opposition of reason.

Ever wonder why the GOPe has been losing ground with younger voters?

TC


I already made my points against both. Nothing to do with emotion.
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A radical Muslim for sure
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