The worlds first dual environment & amphibious assault rifle ADS

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Posted: 7/3/2012 4:42:48 AM EDT

Here is video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdGKOgc0q4M

The ADS designers fixed the most annoying disadvantages of the bull-pup system:
- Bad point of the balance
- Hot gasses in the vicinity of shooter's eyes and ears

The killing range underwater is about 18-20 meters (at a depth of 20 meters) with special round

What you think? Can it replace (fully or partly) regular assault rifles?

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Posted: 7/3/2012 4:47:47 AM EDT

[#1]

meh

Posted: 7/3/2012 4:48:08 AM EDT

[#2]

is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

Posted: 7/3/2012 4:53:20 AM EDT

[#3]

Would have been better if the reporter was topless.

Posted: 7/3/2012 4:55:20 AM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

No!
But that the question - can the properly designed bullpup rifle replace regular assault rifles in regular (not a scuba divers) army's units?

Posted: 7/3/2012 4:55:59 AM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

Depends...are you Aquaman? Then yes.

Posted: 7/3/2012 4:57:38 AM EDT

[#6]

needs a taller rail tower

Posted: 7/3/2012 4:59:23 AM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Here is video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdGKOgc0q4M

The ADS designers fixed the most annoying disadvantages of the bull-pup system:
- Bad point of the balance
- Hot gasses in the vicinity of shooter's eyes and ears

The killing range underwater is about 18-20 meters (at a depth of 20 meters) with special round

What you think? Can it replace (fully or partly) regular assault rifles?

Have fun with an under-hand rock-the-mag-in magazine change.

Killing "underwater range" is retard bait and utterly useless.

Like most firearms of Russian design, its a steaming pile of shit for being a newly designed 21st Century weapon that solves no problem other than how to continue to make un-ergonomic "peasant army" weapons that have only one quality which is simplicity, and that aborted TAPCO design of a AK bullpup seems to have royally fucked up the "simplicity" aspect of the same basic Russian design format in place since the Nagant brothers conned the commies into procuring a gas sealed under-powered revolver.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:01:31 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

You forget how many tier 1 operators hang out here.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:04:29 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:

is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

No!

But that the question - can the properly designed bullpup rifle replace regular assault rifles in regular (not a scuba divers) army's units?

Um, many countries do use bullpup rifles in their military.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:05:11 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

No!
But that the question - can the properly designed bullpup rifle replace regular assault rifles in regular (not a scuba divers) army's units?

Oh, well, since I have no idea what they said in that video, I don't know.

Looks like a very "Russian" fix. "We have fixed the problem of balance by putting a giant, unwieldy gas piston up front and to keep you from burning your face, we put this giant fucking bar there, so now there's no need to put your cheek on the rifle."

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:05:37 AM EDT

[#11]

That thing is Rosaane ugly.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:06:29 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
needs a taller rail tower

Looks fine. Look at the excellenct chin weld that guy has!

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:06:33 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

There's enough paranoid people here who would see the need for this when floating in their blue inflatable Walmart pools in their own backyards. Put them on the EE and they'll sell out in a week.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:12:32 AM EDT

[#14]

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:13:55 AM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

No!
But that the question - can the properly designed bullpup rifle replace regular assault rifles in regular (not a scuba divers) army's units?

it's longer than an AR 11.5 short barrel rifle.

what's the point?

seems dumb.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:14:28 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here is video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdGKOgc0q4M

The ADS designers fixed the most annoying disadvantages of the bull-pup system:
- Bad point of the balance
- Hot gasses in the vicinity of shooter's eyes and ears

The killing range underwater is about 18-20 meters (at a depth of 20 meters) with special round

What you think? Can it replace (fully or partly) regular assault rifles?

Have fun with an under-hand rock-the-mag-in magazine change.

Killing "underwater range" is retard bait and utterly useless.

Like most firearms of Russian design, its a steaming pile of shit for being a newly designed 21st Century weapon that solves no problem other than how to continue to make un-ergonomic "peasant army" weapons that have only one quality which is simplicity, and that aborted TAPCO design of a AK bullpup seems to have royally fucked up the "simplicity" aspect of the same basic Russian design format in place since the Nagant brothers conned the commies into procuring a gas sealed under-powered revolver.

Utterly useless killing range underwater range? Scuba divers can have a different impression.

Have you ever seen Ak-12 prototype ? AFAICS, with AK-12 Izhamsh designers fixed ALL egronomics issues of the AK family.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:14:53 AM EDT

[#17]

I predict we'll still be seeing "new" AK designs 100 years from now.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:16:08 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Here is video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdGKOgc0q4M

The ADS designers fixed the most annoying disadvantages of the bull-pup system:
- Bad point of the balance
- Hot gasses in the vicinity of shooter's eyes and ears

The killing range underwater is about 18-20 meters (at a depth of 20 meters) with special round

What you think? Can it replace (fully or partly) regular assault rifles?

Have fun with an under-hand rock-the-mag-in magazine change.

Killing "underwater range" is retard bait and utterly useless.

Like most firearms of Russian design, its a steaming pile of shit for being a newly designed 21st Century weapon that solves no problem other than how to continue to make un-ergonomic "peasant army" weapons that have only one quality which is simplicity, and that aborted TAPCO design of a AK bullpup seems to have royally fucked up the "simplicity" aspect of the same basic Russian design format in place since the Nagant brothers conned the commies into procuring a gas sealed under-powered revolver.

Utterly useless killing range underwater range? Scuba divers can have a different impression.

Have you ever seen Ak-12 prototype ? AFAICS, with AK-12 Izhamsh designers fixed ALL egronomics issues of the AK family.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:17:17 AM EDT

[#19]

It does win an award for being ugly as fuck....

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:18:06 AM EDT

[#20]

It looks like the ADS has the AIDS.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:21:19 AM EDT

[#21]

what is the US equivalent of this?

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:21:44 AM EDT

[#22]

I think looks cool.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:23:14 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
what is the US equivalent of this?

TAPCO + WASR (AquaBump x AIDS) = ADS

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:24:24 AM EDT

[#24]

It's claimed that the ADS is "more effective" / "more accurate" than AK-74 with regular 5.45x39 ammo

LuvBUSHmaster, the ADS is nothing to with AK system

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:31:20 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:
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Utterly useless killing range underwater range? Scuba divers can have a different impression.

Is there a single example you are aware of that has specialized underwater units - such as Navy SEAL teams, or their Russian equivalent - demanding weapons that can shoot slightly further underwater? I have not heard of such a thing. I agree that it sounds like a gimmicky marketing claim as opposed to an actual useful innovations. It's like developing a M16/M4 variant, and then bragging about how it can function on the moon, and astronauts/cosmonauts can use it.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:31:30 AM EDT

[#26]

I've seen better looking macaroni art come home with elementary school kids.

There isn't a US equivalent because it's solving a problem no one has.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:32:22 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
what is the US equivalent of this?

That's like asking what the Russian equivalent to the Clapper or the Segeway is.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:39:55 AM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
It's claimed that the ADS is "more effective" / "more accurate" than AK-74 with regular 5.45x39 ammo

LuvBUSHmaster, the ADS is nothing to with AK system

Now I know you are being obtuse. Or delusional. Maybe both.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:42:25 AM EDT

[#29]

This thread is cracking me up!

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:43:14 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
...

Utterly useless killing range underwater range? Scuba divers can have a different impression.

Is there a single example you are aware of that has specialized underwater units - such as Navy SEAL teams, or their Russian equivalent - demanding weapons that can shoot slightly further underwater? I have not heard of such a thing. I agree that it sounds like a gimmicky marketing claim as opposed to an actual useful innovations. It's like developing a M16/M4 variant, and then bragging about how it can function on the moon, and astronauts/cosmonauts can use it.

Underwater guns have been used in Soviet navy for a years.
But the dual environment gun looks really innovative.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:44:18 AM EDT

[#31]

Primorsky should have trained his replacement better.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:45:16 AM EDT

[#32]

Quoted:

Underwater guns have been used in Soviet navy for a years.
But the dual environment gun looks really innovative.

Your money would be better spent preventing your boats from sinking in the first place. Try painting them every twenty years or so.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:45:21 AM EDT

[#33]

ADS is based on the A-91 bullpup assault rifle, not AK.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:45:29 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

No!
But that the question - can the properly designed bullpup rifle replace regular assault rifles in regular (not a scuba divers) army's units?

Well we have the AUG, FAMAS, F2000, SA80... You tell us?

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:50:09 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
is it common to have to kill someone else underwater?

No!
But that the question - can the properly designed bullpup rifle replace regular assault rifles in regular (not a scuba divers) army's units?

Well we have the AUG, FAMAS, F2000, SA80... You tell us?

Yes. But is the Armies are fully glad with these bullpups?
Sa-80 was blamed as unreliable p.o.s as an example.

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:58:53 AM EDT

[#36]

Quoted:
ADS is based on the A-91 bullpup assault rifle, not AK.

Uses the same mags, mag well, mag release, safety lever design, barrel threading, muzzle devices, front sight and rotating bolt system as an AK-103.

REAL FUCKING INNOVATIVE!!!!!!

But hey, lets add an underwater gas setting!!! That really bit the Russians in the ass when all their AK's jammed underwater in the battle of ATLANTIS!

Posted: 7/3/2012 5:59:04 AM EDT

[#37]

Hmmm, is an ar capabale of killing underwater? I would think at least a couple feet it'd be lethal

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:08:42 AM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:
ADS is based on the A-91 bullpup assault rifle, not AK.

Uses the same mags, mag well, mag release, safety lever design, barrel threading, muzzle devices, front sight and rotating bolt system as an AK-103.

REAL FUCKING INNOVATIVE!!!!!!

But hey, lets add an underwater gas setting!!! That really bit the Russians in the ass when all their AK's jammed underwater in the battle of ATLANTIS!

LOL

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:08:44 AM EDT

[#39]

While we're arming our military to fight fourth-worlders, Russia and China are arming their militaries to fight us.

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:12:46 AM EDT

[#40]

looks like shit.

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:17:40 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
While we're arming our military to fight fourth-worlders, Russia and China are arming their militaries to fight us.

In the kiddie pool?

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:19:42 AM EDT

[#42]

Bullpups or bullpoops as i like to call them are the ghey and

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:19:47 AM EDT

[#43]

Nice chin weld....I guess they couldn't find a way to mount an optic even higher.

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:26:16 AM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:

Quoted:
While we're arming our military to fight fourth-worlders, Russia and China are arming their militaries to fight us.

In the kiddie pool?

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:47:27 AM EDT

[#45]

If all of you guys talking about this gun is crap or useless
why there's such thing was designed in US:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mk_1_Underwater_Defense_Gun

Posted: 7/3/2012 6:50:20 AM EDT

[#46]

I dont think it will replace the AK series if that is what you are asking. The Russians have way too much invested in the AK series and they are stocked out the ass with them. They don't have enough money to replace them all. That is part of the reason that most of these new Russian weapons never get off the ground. Think of the AN94 Abakan and the AK12.

But then again, I dont have any first hand knowledge. I get my info off the errornet. Someone else may know more than I.