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Posted: 11/4/2009 2:25:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 2:25:43 PM EST by Harvster]
If their car had manual windows, do you think they would still be alive? Based on my assumption that they had power windows and could not open them under water.


Link if you don't know the story.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:26:10 PM EST
The situation is a little bizarre


Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:28:02 PM EST
Damn more bad news. This just after I read about the Seattle Rookie cop that returned fire after her partner was gunned down.

I recommend carrying a window punch on a keychain to everyone I know just for situations like this.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:28:32 PM EST
How did not ONE of them figure out a way to break the glass?!?

There is either a LOT of Darwin Award here, or a LOT of missing info...
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:28:34 PM EST
Electric windows work when wet. Panic is what really killed them.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:28:54 PM EST
Why I prefer hand crank windows. Although a round through the side window should work, as well...though my ears wouldn't like it; at least I'd be out.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:29:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 2:30:19 PM EST by CessnaDriver]
Panic and stupidity, you dont make phone calls when your underwater. There is always a way to break a window.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:30:00 PM EST
There is a lot of missing info. Also, how many young girls drive to the middle of nowhere just to "star gaze"? Is star gazing another term for drinking and smoking up?
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:30:43 PM EST
12v electrics should function underwater
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:31:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:31:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Harvster:
Based on my assumption that they had power windows and could not open them under water.

Watch the Mythbusters episode where they test this assumption.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:31:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 2:31:42 PM EST by CessnaDriver]
Originally Posted By SMN:
There is a lot of missing info. Also, how many young girls drive to the middle of nowhere just to "star gaze"? Is star gazing another term for drinking and smoking up?



Females of this age are for the most part retarded and still need adult supervsion.


ETA, males are just as bad.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:32:36 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Electric windows work when wet. Panic is what really killed them.


Likely so. All sorts of missing info, though. Hopefully they'll figure more of the situation out.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:33:15 PM EST
Unless the impact was so dramatic that the 3 people inside were incapacitated for whatever reason, there isn't a reason why they still can't get out
from the vehicle before it's engulfed in water fully. Common mistakes obviously are panic, trying to open doors against water pressure against doors
and windows and wasting energy trying the first things in this list.

When I was in the academy we had to dive down 15 feet and pull a 150lb dummy out of a vehicle completely submerged in water. The doors open easily
once the pressure inside the vehicle and outside the vehicle are equal, meaning you have to let the vehicle fill with water to make it easier to get out.

Here is a link with some good info......basic.

Water Crash
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:33:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By CessnaDriver:
There is always a way to break a window.




the front and back windows can always be pushed off, but the pressure of the water trying to get in would make it even harder to escape
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:33:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 2:34:58 PM EST by 0699TeufelHnd]
Breathe from pocket of air until the car totally filled up.

Hold breath.

Wait for equalization of pressure between outside and inside car.

Open door.

Swim to surface = live

Make panicked cell phone calls for help= die

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:35:40 PM EST
Panic kills.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:35:48 PM EST
Link for window punch? Looked buy havent been able to find one that looked sturdy.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:37:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:38:27 PM EST
Panic killed them.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:43:34 PM EST
Originally Posted By SMN:
There is a lot of missing info. Also, how many young girls drive to the middle of nowhere just to "star gaze"? Is star gazing another term for drinking and smoking up?


Nope. They were on the girl's softball team. Star gazing means they were munching on something, or at least making their fingers stinky.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:43:54 PM EST
sad to hear this
But really, before i would call someone on a cell phone i would have been preoccupied by trying to bust a window or opening a door.
there had to have been something in the vehicle to do this with.
Regardless, it is a tragedy.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:43:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By JSmith88:
Link for window punch? Looked buy havent been able to find one that looked sturdy.


Either get one of the tools specifically designed for getting out of cars (usually a hammer, with a knife, window breaker and clip), or get a drill starter punch. (I use the latter.) It's a spring loaded tool you thrust against a hard surface (putting tension on the spring) which then releases a bullet like object to slam into the pointy end. You can break just about any glass with it, as well as damage your knee something awful if you play with it.

I got mine for six bucks.

Realistically though, fumbling for a tool might not work out so well, focus on procedure; seatbelt off, seatbelt off others, car fills, escape.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:45:39 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:49:08 PM EST
Given that they decided to call a friend instead of 911 I would say panic had set in. (Not that calling 911 would necessarily have saved them but would have been the more appropriate action to take)
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:49:40 PM EST
Problem solving is not a strong suit of today's young Americans.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:50:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Why I prefer hand crank windows. Although a round through the side window should work, as well...though my ears wouldn't like it; at least I'd be out.




Yeah, but you'll kill the guy that dove in to rescue you by accident.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:51:33 PM EST
If you are going to keep something in your car to break the window do not keep it in the glovebox.

Attach it to the steering column, or somewhere you can reach it while hanging in the drivers seat with your seat belt locked in place.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:52:35 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Electric windows work when wet. Panic is what really killed them.



QFT
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:53:20 PM EST
I'd say panic too, These girls were in a situation unknown to them, so freaking out rendered them stupid
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:55:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By Blue_Monkey:
Panic killed them.


Yep said car was setting on the bottom 10ft down. so standing on the roof a person 5 ft tall would be a foot out of water.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:56:31 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
I'd say panic too, These girls were in a situation unknown to them, so freaking out rendered them stupid


they were probably smoking dope and stupid to being with
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:56:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By CessnaDriver:
Panic and stupidity, you dont make phone calls when your underwater.


There is an extreme lack of self reliance here.

Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:58:00 PM EST
Originally Posted By Silence:
If you are going to keep something in your car to break the window do not keep it in the glovebox.

Attach it to the steering column, or somewhere you can reach it while hanging in the drivers seat with your seat belt locked in place.


so you can drown while being suspended in your locked seatbelt?
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:58:21 PM EST
I have been in a sinking vehicle ... that water comes up REALLY fast.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:59:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
Originally Posted By SMN:
There is a lot of missing info. Also, how many young girls drive to the middle of nowhere just to "star gaze"? Is star gazing another term for drinking and smoking up?


Nope. They were on the girl's softball team. Star gazing means they were munching on something, or at least making their fingers stinky.


Ugh, I see what you did there.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 2:59:38 PM EST
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Electric windows work when wet. Panic is what really killed them.


+1

Even if they could not open the windows, wait until the car is filed with enough water to equalize the pressure and open a door.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:00:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By Steve_T_M:
I have been in a sinking vehicle ... that water comes up REALLY fast.


+1

I was wondering this morning when I heard the news if the Jeep had power windows. When a car is underwater they would be stuck shut right?
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:00:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:

Originally Posted By Harvster:
Based on my assumption that they had power windows and could not open them under water.

Watch the Mythbusters episode where they test this assumption.

Exactly. Lots of area only takes little pressure to make the friction too great. 62 pounds of force for each square foot of window with only one foot of water depth.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:01:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/4/2009 3:02:51 PM EST by AR15fan]
Originally Posted By SMN:
There is a lot of missing info. Also, how many young girls drive to the middle of nowhere just to "star gaze"? Is star gazing another term for drinking and smoking up?


They were softball players. I dont think they were drinking and smoking up while parked on a dark secluded road. Out of respect for the dead I will not speculate on what three softball players were doing parking.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:03:10 PM EST


wow

can't believe they made calls on their cell phones while their car was sinking



Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:03:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By Steve_T_M:
I have been in a sinking vehicle ... that water comes up REALLY fast.




I have actually rescued someone from an overturned, submerged vehicle.
It's dark, the water comes up fast, you can't breathe even before the water reaches your face; it really, really sucks.

Panic is the norm, and the ability to stay focused is rare. That one would have died in about 30 seconds if I hadn't gotten in there.
It's unfair to cast aspersions on these girls about their failure to rescue themselves, it's a lot worse in there than TV would lead you to believe.

Now, were they stupid as hell to drive into the pond? Yup.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:04:47 PM EST
Originally Posted By gregert12:
Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
I'd say panic too, These girls were in a situation unknown to them, so freaking out rendered them stupid


they were probably smoking dope and stupid to being with


Possibly, if drugs and /or alcohol were involved, that will add more grief to the parents.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:06:28 PM EST
I'm gonna have to disagree with the windows work when wet thing.

Personal experience and it was just from major rain, sitting in my truck and didn't think I was going to get anything to work until stuff dried out.

Everything had a shit fit, nothing worked that had power.(no fuses blown)

Don't believe everything you read on the interweb.

I'm sure there is more to this story, but that angle/line of thinking is just wrong.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:09:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
I'd say panic too, These girls were in a situation unknown to them, so freaking out rendered them stupid


+1
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:11:08 PM EST

Drowned in one of these?


Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:14:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By Adam86:

Drowned in one of these?


http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o319/Adam19861/jeep-wrangler.jpg


It was a cherokee.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:16:15 PM EST
There is more to this story that has yet to be found.

Reports have said the girls went out stargazing often to the same place. If this is true then they must have been familiar with the area. If they are familiar with the area how did they get lost?

There are too many questions left, and I can't believe that it is as simple as getting lost and driving into a pond. Things just don't add up.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:18:58 PM EST
Another thing I thought of.......The moon has been really friggin bright here the last several nights. I wonder if it was really dark there and how they did not see the pond.
Link Posted: 11/4/2009 3:20:22 PM EST
Originally Posted By SMN:
There is a lot of missing info. Also, how many young girls drive to the middle of nowhere just to "star gaze"? Is star gazing another term for drinking and smoking up?


Usually, but I think they may have meant "cow tipping", which is virtually the same thing.
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