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Posted: 9/17/2005 2:19:03 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:29:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Now Ms. Brazile has said some pretty shitty things in the past, so this took me completely ny surprise. Afterall, didn't the president reject Kyoto to increase the risk of hurricanes in hopes they would hit New Orleans and wipe the poor black population out? Isn't FEMA Bush's SS? To hear the "revrunds" Jackson and Sharpton speak, you'd swear the next State Dinner would include lynchings to the Marine Corps band in the Rose Garden following dinner. But, here... before our own eyes, a black polictical operative of the DNC from New Orleans praises our president? Whodathunkit?



There is a significant subset of blacks who wish that Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakan and Naglin would just STFU. There's political gold to be mined by pandering to those voters, too.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:30:13 PM EDT
Well...good.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 5:53:29 PM EDT
Now there's something that doesn't happen everyday.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:01:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Skibane:
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There is a significant subset of blacks who wish that Jackson, Sharpton, Farrakan and Naglin would just STFU. There's political gold to be mined by pandering to those voters, too.




There are a BUNCH of Blacks that wish that. They wish Jesse, Al, and Louis would just go away.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:02:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/17/2005 6:03:07 PM EDT by raven]
Brazille's one of those rare Democrats that has a clue. For instance, she had bright idea to suggest Democrats should act more interested in national defense, as Americans don't seem to trust them on that issue. Wasn't very well received by the Democrats. I suspect her putting aside crass opportunistic politics and reaching out to the president won't be appreciated, either.

Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:21:26 PM EDT
I have heard Miss Brazille before, and she always came across to me as a typical kumbaya butch dim.

<shrug>
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 6:26:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:
I have heard Miss Brazille before, and she always came across to me as a typical kumbaya butch dim.

<shrug>



LIke you, I would suspect an agenda here from Ms. Brazille but I'll withold judgment.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:20:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:26:24 PM EDT
That's beacuse she's agreeing with a president who has become a socialist.

Not a big move on HER part!
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:28:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:35:09 PM EDT
And it only cost us $200 billion....
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:36:26 PM EDT
Well, monkeys are not fluing out of my butt, so the only logical conclusion I can draw is that she's got kickbacks coming from contracts in NO. I hate to be that cynical, but with the dems in full on attack mode on GWB for five full years, I have no other choice.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 8:38:30 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:15:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
That's beacuse she's agreeing with a president who has become a socialist.

Not a big move on HER part!



You are so right, partner.

She has not moved at all - she is simply now agreeing with the New Deal agenda of our Commander-in-Chief.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:28:28 PM EDT
pretty sad when she agrees with the Prez.



If I were GWB, I would be rethinking my current 'position'.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 9:54:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
That's beacuse she's agreeing with a president who has become a socialist.

Not a big move on HER part!



Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
And it only cost us $200 billion....



Originally Posted By Thekatar:

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
That's beacuse she's agreeing with a president who has become a socialist.

Not a big move on HER part!



You are so right, partner.

She has not moved at all - she is simply now agreeing with the New Deal agenda of our Commander-in-Chief.



Originally Posted By supersix4:
pretty sad when she agrees with the Prez.



If I were GWB, I would be rethinking my current 'position'.



Ok. You guys obviously don't agree with the President's position and plan. So what do you suggest he do? Should the Federal government just say, "Fuck you New Orleans!" and not help out with rebuilding?
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:00:02 PM EDT
Well, "Maybe" it's a start (?)

I don't know (Or care frankly) about re-building NO so much as I HOPE this is a chance to get "African-Americans" (Americans) to ditch the dim/lib slide-to-hell-and-poverty they've been on for so many years.

The tradgedy of NO WASN'T the storm and those it affected (Primarily poor blacks) personally but the fact that after nearly 5 DECADES of near-unwavering support from the black community for the dims that SOOO many of them were still dependant on the gubmint for something as basic as their very survival in the face of a fu**ing weather system
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 10:01:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:08:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
From the drudgereport...

washingtonpost.com
I Will Rebuild With You, Mr. President

By Donna Brazile
Saturday, September 17, 2005; A21

But on Thursday night, after watching him speak from the heart, I could not have been prouder of the president and the plan he outlined to empower those who lost everything and to rebuild the Gulf Coast.






Liberals will crucify her for that remark alone.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:10:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
Brazille's one of those rare Democrats that has a clue.




No, she doesn't. Had she even remotely had a clue, Ozone Al would now be in the White House as he would've won TN & beat Bush in 2000.
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:12:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USPC40:

Ok. You guys obviously don't agree with the President's position and plan. So what do you suggest he do? Should the Federal government just say, "Fuck you New Orleans!" and not help out with rebuilding?




Yes. What idiot would think to rebuild a city BELOW sea level???????
Link Posted: 9/17/2005 11:51:43 PM EDT
One-fourth of an entire nation - the Netherlands - lies below sea level. Seems to work just fine for them...
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:00:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Skibane:
One-fourth of an entire nation - the Netherlands - lies below sea level. Seems to work just fine for them...



And tell me, how many hurricanes has the Netherlands had in the last 1000 years?
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 12:52:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lokt:

Originally Posted By Skibane:
One-fourth of an entire nation - the Netherlands - lies below sea level. Seems to work just fine for them...



And tell me, how many hurricanes has the Netherlands had in the last 1000 years?



While not technically a hurricane, mother nature is no joke.


AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - The disaster came in 1953.

A powerful storm breached sea dikes in the south of the Netherlands, killing more than 1,800 people and cementing a deep resolve among the Dutch that their ancient enemy - water - would never kill again.

So the government launched a massive project to upgrade its ancient system of dikes and dunes. The crown jewel, a chain of 40-foot-tall steel walls suspended by piers in the open sea, was completed in the 1980s and cost today's equivalent of $3.1 billion. It is considered among the world's best defenses against flooding.

Also-vulnerable Venice, Italy, is putting a similar system in place. But the deluge in New Orleans has prompted Europeans to wonder if their sophisticated protections - or any - will ever be enough.

For the waterlogged Netherlands, whose very name means ``the low-lying country,'' the worst-case scenario would be far more devastating than Hurricane Katrina, entailing a tidal wave strong enough to penetrate the nation's coastal barriers.

The chance of such a disaster is seen as remote. But floods have happened many times in Dutch history, and no one doubts one could happen again - under the right conditions.

``Rationally, you know it can happen, but you pray it never does,'' said Peter Dolen, the head of the Interior Ministry's Risk and Crisis Communication Center. ``You can draw up any plan you like from behind your desk, but you know it's going to be different in reality.''

Nearly half the Netherlands is under sea level, and two-thirds of its 16 million population lives in those areas. Even Amsterdam's famous canals lie more than six feet below the sea. Yet evacuation is a last resort. Written into Dutch law is the requirement that the coastal dikes be able to withstand the fiercest storm imaginable.

``It would come in the winter, at high tide on a new moon,'' said Henk van der Brink of the Royal Dutch Weather Institute, whose models are used by the country's dike engineers. ``Two big storms would join together to form a single storm of a much greater magnitude - the 'perfect storm.'''

A similar confluence last happened on Feb. 1, 1953, with gale-force northwesterly winds, a sudden squall and an unusually high tide. The sea rushed into the Dutch countryside, resulting in the flood known here simply as ``the disaster.''

``It was so sudden it caught everyone completely by surprise. There was no time to prepare,'' says researcher Toon Franken of the Zeeland Archives in the city of Middelburg, where the disaster hit hardest.

In Venice, the last big flood was on Nov. 4, 1966, when sea waters rose nearly six feet above normal. Some 3,000 people were evacuated.

Aiming for better defenses, Italy launched its $4 billion ``Moses'' project, named for the biblical figure who parted the Red Sea. It envisions hinged barriers built on the Adriatic seabed that would rise when high tides threaten the city, said Monica Ambrosini at the New Venice Consortium, the agency overseeing the project. Completion is expected by 2010-2011.

``We're not protected from an extraordinary event,'' Ambrosini said. ``Let's hope that it does not arrive before we finish.''

Venetians themselves are more relaxed. They already live with constant minor flooding, thanks to the notorious ``acqua alta,'' or high tide. Tourists and residents alike don rubber boots when canals spill over onto the cobblestones.

As in Amsterdam, sirens in Venice should warn people of impending disaster well in advance. Plus, the area is not prone to the hurricanes that regularly pummel the United States or cataclysmic tsunami like the one that hit Asia in December.

``I am astounded by the images of New Orleans. This is something you cannot and will not see here,'' said Paolo Canestrelli, director of Venice's tidal forecast center.

Today, the Netherlands is spending $3.7 billion on new projects, in addition to $620 million spent annually on maintaining the current system, farmed out to engineering firms like Boskalis NV and BAM Group NV.

One construction company, Dura Vermeer, has made a profitable business out of building houses that float.

The latest defense plan, ``Living with Water,'' involves working with the forces of nature. Engineers dump sand onto beaches or just offshore in areas deemed most vulnerable, harnessing the natural power of waves to mold the sand over time into new, protective dunes. The technique is gradually replacing the coastal dikes the Dutch have been building since 500 B.C.

River flooding is seen as a less catastrophic but more likely danger. The Rhine and Maas, which flooded twice in the 1990s, are being broadened in spots. Rather than raising the banks against overflow, buildings are being cleared to make ``room for the river.''

Plans also are in place to bulldoze holes in some dikes during emergencies to flood sparsely populated farmland and lessen dangers elsewhere.

``Water can be a nice friend sometimes, but will always remain an enemy,'' said Willem Nuis, mayor of Tholen, a town of 24,000 where the 1953 flood killed 166 people. ``For us, it was the worst thing that happened here since the Middle Ages.''



Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:16:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BobCole:

Originally Posted By USPC40:

Ok. You guys obviously don't agree with the President's position and plan. So what do you suggest he do? Should the Federal government just say, "Fuck you New Orleans!" and not help out with rebuilding?




Yes. What idiot would think to rebuild a city BELOW sea level???????



A lot of people do not understand what New Orleans means to the nation. NO is a very important port city. I guess those 4 oil refineries should be bull dozered flat and not rebuilt. How about all the oil and natural gas that is produced in the area. I say lets stop all oil and gas production in La so that we can have a pretty view like the other states that does not allow oil production. This is a lot more than a free meal ticket for poor people.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 4:35:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
That's beacuse she's agreeing with a president who has become a socialist.

Not a big move on HER part!



Whatever. I wonder if those of you who spout this drivel actually bother to turn your brain on before you type it.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:26:32 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:28:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 5:32:11 AM EDT by supersix4]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
That's beacuse she's agreeing with a president who has become a socialist.

Not a big move on HER part!



Whatever. I wonder if those of you who spout this drivel actually bother to turn your brain on before you type it.




Well, the same could be said of you Rik.

no offense intended, just different viewpoints. I voted for GWB twice. I am very dissapointed with most of his domestic agenda. Lack of border seurity, he has not vetoed a spending bill once in 2 terms, the Education bill, on and on. I do like his stance on foreign policy. I just wonder what is up with him on most domestic issues. I gotta say that his speech the other night in NO, sounded a lot like the Great Society of LBJ. I will wait to see the details worked out.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 5:55:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By supersix4:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
That's beacuse she's agreeing with a president who has become a socialist.

Not a big move on HER part!



Whatever. I wonder if those of you who spout this drivel actually bother to turn your brain on before you type it.




Well, the same could be said of you Rik.



No, actually it couldn't.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 6:13:02 AM EDT
I got halfway through typing a reply, and decided to zap it and just say "fuck it". So here's the short version


GWB's domestic agenda sucks donkeyballs. His foriegn policies are slightly better.

Don't rebuild New Orleans, or if they want to rebuild it, let 'em do it without my tax money.

The POL infrastructure can be rebuilt elsewhere, its not like it HAS to be rebuilt in New Orleans.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:13:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
LIke you, I would suspect an agenda here from Ms. Brazille but I'll withold judgment.

She wants a piece of that relief pie. She was a campaign manager for Al Bore and now she is backing President GW Bush who isn't running for re-election, bwa ha ha ha ha! She's got wonderful timing!
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 7:52:34 AM EDT
For those of you who think that those of us who have agreed with the "socialst" label are againnst rebuilding New Orleans, you are so totally missing the point.

Speaking for myself, yes New Orleans needs to be rebuilt, to a certain extent. It is an important port city. The historical areas should be saved if they can. Etc, etc, etc. A lot of people need a lot of help down there.

What I am looking at is President Bush who sounds like LBJ and FDR roled into one. He is not talking about rebuilding New Orleans, he is talking about solving poverty there. That is what Ms. Brazille (who on Hannity a couple of weeks ago referred to Pres. Bush as a "terrorist") is agreeing with.

How praytell does the President of the United States solve poverty in the Gulf Coast?

That is what I am talking about.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 8:03:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 9:38:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shotar:

Originally Posted By Thekatar:

How praytell does the President of the United States solve poverty in the Gulf Coast?

That is what I am talking about.



This is the easiest part as most of that part of the equation is already done. The poor folks were moved out and dispersed throughout the country. How many of them do you honestly think will be returning. NOLA will be rebuilt, but the slums won't.



Slums aren't BUILT....trust me, if the same people DO return, or are replaced by other lowlifes, wherever they decide to live will BECOME a slum.
Link Posted: 9/18/2005 10:26:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/18/2005 10:29:05 AM EDT by Kacer]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
The sky is falling! A black, female, democrat (and some speculate lesbian - unconfirmed) backs Bush!
Now Ms. Brazile has said some pretty shitty things in the past, so this took me completely ny surprise. Afterall, didn't the president reject Kyoto to increase the risk of hurricanes in hopes they would hit New Orleans and wipe the poor black population out? Isn't FEMA Bush's SS? To hear the "revrunds" Jackson and Sharpton speak, you'd swear the next State Dinner would include lynchings to the Marine Corps band in the Rose Garden following dinner. But, here... before our own eyes, a black polictical operative of the DNC from New Orleans praises our president? Whodathunkit?



<Sigh>

I have so MANY problems w/what you've said, I don't EVEN know where to start....

But, mainly... WTF is up w/the "unconfirmed" BS?

Village Voice

Excerpt:

And he [Gore] just appointed Donna Brazile, a lesbian activist, as his campaign manager.


365gay.com

Excerpt:

October 6, 1999 - Donna Brazile, an out lesbian, became Al Gore's campaign manager. She was also the first African-American woman to manage a presidential run.


Wikipedia

Excerpt:

October 6 - Donna Brazile, a lesbian, was named as presidential campaign manager for Al Gore's 2000 bid to be President of the United States.


Now, I'm not certain whether or not you are one of the "1% crowd" - BUT seems like we (queers) are in a wicked catch-22. IF we are BLATANT enough to be RECOGNIZED a Gay or lesbian or bi, (thereby being "confirmed" and our REAL numbers recognized) then we offend a lot of the 1%ers. BUT if we are DISCREET, like Miss Brazile TENDS to be, then we aren't REALLY "confirmed queers" and our numbers are low-balled by the 1%er crowd.

If THAT is "speculation".... WTF is wrong w/you people?

Now, why would a liberal NOT like Bush's VERY liberal speech? 'Bout every consertive I know is 1/2 agreeing and 1/2 pissed at him about it.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 2:43:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/19/2005 2:44:30 PM EDT by Kacer]
Okay, I'm getting a tad tired of being the last poster in a topic.

I mean, I'm just sayin'!
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 2:52:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 2:54:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 3:08:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
What the hell is the 1% crowd?
Oh, and do lesbians have hanky codes?
I could just go to a lesbian bar and watch the hankies.



The slightly "out of touch w/reality" folk who think GLBTQ's are only 1% of the population.

By in large, they don't TEND to deal w/the hankies, but yeah, on occasion......

I suppose you could.


Originally Posted By brassburn:
ugh, no more hanky codes...

That aside,

Despite the fact that she clearly is not very in-touch with reality (liberal) Brazille is a smart woman and there will no doubt be a favor called in for this one.. (yes I am cynical)



Are you CYNICAL or just a realist? I vote the latter.
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 3:34:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 4:51:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By brassburn:

Despite the fact that she clearly is not very in-touch with reality (liberal) Brazille is a smart woman




Yeah, right. She is SO smart she ran a campaign that had her candidate LOSING his own HOME state!!! Boy howdee, how SMART did she have to be to accomplish THAT????
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 5:17:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/19/2005 5:25:29 PM EDT
I'm guessing the run of the mill Dem will not like budget cuts to fund rebuilding NO. She may have a personal agenda that runs counter to the Dems. If so she'll be kicked to the curb.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 4:48:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/22/2005 10:11:21 AM EDT by BobCole]

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Well, a hamburger wrapped in gold is still a hamburger. Some candidates do their darndest to lose despite the best efforts of their staff...




You don't realize the magnitude of Gore losing in TN. Gore had NEVER lost an election in TN, ever! When he first ran for prez, the other candidates didn't even campaign here as they thought he was unbeatable, which he was then. His last Senate race, he had virtually NO opposition, he was that strong.

Former Gov. Ned McWherter (sp?) went to Brazille's office with some concerns he had shortly before the election. McWherter was & is considered the father of the Dim Party in TN. Brazille wouldn't give him the time of day, made him cool his heels in the hall until he left!

Brazille would fuck up a two-car funeral. Which is a good thing for gun owners, no doubt.

Link Posted: 9/20/2005 5:13:19 PM EDT
She's obviously a deep-cover neocon plant. PRobably planted the C4 to blow up the levees herself.
Link Posted: 9/20/2005 7:26:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
I don't confirm as lesbians until I see the video... in this case, I'll take your word



Can't say that I blame you - BUT when she was YOUNGER (and thinner) she wasn't 1/2 bad.... I can't say much about the HAIR-do... but SHE wasn't bad at all.


Originally Posted By nightstalker:
I'm guessing the run of the mill Dem will not like budget cuts to fund rebuilding NO. She may have a personal agenda that runs counter to the Dems. If so she'll be kicked to the curb.



Well... MY guess would be she's setting herself up to run Hitlery's campaign, and we ALL know Hitlery is ALREADY (claiming) to be moving toward the center. She's not gonna WANT a manager that is thought to be a left-wing nut.

(It's what I'd do, only w/me, it'd be for really real - except I LIKE doing a DAMN good job, so I couldn't work for Hitlery, as I wouldn't want to (potentially) be responsible for her being elected).
Link Posted: 9/23/2005 10:21:57 AM EDT
Oh, come on people... this isn't dead already... is it?
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