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Posted: 12/30/2005 10:52:53 AM EDT
Raiding the Icebox
Behind Its Warm Front, the United States Made Cold Calculations to Subdue Canada


By Peter Carlson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 2005; Page C01

Invading Canada won't be like invading Iraq: When we invade Canada, nobody will be able to grumble that we didn't have a plan.

The United States government does have a plan to invade Canada. It's a 94-page document called "Joint Army and Navy Basic War Plan -- Red," with the word SECRET stamped on the cover. It's a bold plan, a bodacious plan, a step-by-step plan to invade, seize and annex our neighbor to the north. It goes like this:

First, we send a joint Army-Navy overseas force to capture the port city of Halifax, cutting the Canadians off from their British allies.

Then we seize Canadian power plants near Niagara Falls, so they freeze in the dark.

Then the U.S. Army invades on three fronts -- marching from Vermont to take Montreal and Quebec, charging out of North Dakota to grab the railroad center at Winnipeg, and storming out of the Midwest to capture the strategic nickel mines of Ontario.

Meanwhile, the U.S. Navy seizes the Great Lakes and blockades Canada's Atlantic and Pacific ports.

At that point, it's only a matter of time before we bring these Molson-swigging, maple-mongering Zamboni drivers to their knees! Or, as the official planners wrote, stating their objective in bold capital letters: "ULTIMATELY TO GAIN COMPLETE CONTROL."

It sounds like a joke but it's not. War Plan Red is real. It was drawn up and approved by the War Department in 1930, then updated in 1934 and 1935. It was declassified in 1974 and the word "SECRET" crossed out with a heavy pencil. Now it sits in a little gray box in the National Archives in College Park, available to anybody, even Canadian spies. They can photocopy it for 15 cents a page.

War Plan Red was actually designed for a war with England. In the late 1920s, American military strategists developed plans for a war with Japan (code name Orange), Germany (Black), Mexico (Green) and England (Red). The Americans imagined a conflict between the United States (Blue) and England over international trade: "The war aim of RED in a war with BLUE is conceived to be the definite elimination of BLUE as an important economic and commercial rival."

In the event of war, the American planners figured that England would use Canada (Crimson) -- then a quasi-pseudo-semi-independent British dominion -- as a launching pad for "a direct invasion of BLUE territory." That invasion might come overland, with British and Canadian troops attacking Buffalo, Detroit and Albany. Or it might come by sea, with amphibious landings on various American beaches -- including Rehoboth and Ocean City, both of which were identified by the planners as "excellent" sites for a Brit beachhead.

The planners anticipated a war "of long duration" because "the RED race" is "more or less phlegmatic" but "noted for its ability to fight to a finish." Also, the Brits could be reinforced by "colored" troops from their colonies: "Some of the colored races however come of good fighting stock, and, under white leadership, can be made into very efficient troops."

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said he'd never heard of the plan. He also said he wouldn't admit to knowing about such a plan if he did.

"We don't talk about any of our contingency plans," he said.

Has the Pentagon updated War Plan Red since the '30s?

"The Defense Department never talks about its contingency plans for any countries," Whitman said. "We don't acknowledge which countries we have contingency plans for."

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/29/AR2005122901412.html
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:54:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 10:55:45 AM EDT by pcsutton]
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Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:56:02 AM EDT
Should've done it before the UN was formed. Now its an impossible plan.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:57:52 AM EDT
Blame Canada!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:58:29 AM EDT
Too bad they never took action on something like this, its a bitch getting guns to Alaska if youre in the military and dont want to fly, mail, or ship in your household goods. Canada would be a shooter's paradise, but its full of commies hell bent on world pussification.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 10:59:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Chokey:
Should've done it before the UN was formed. Now its an impossible plan.



The UN combined without the US would never be any match for the US military, especially if they were to take action on our side of the world. Would be a lot of bodies in the water though.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:00:19 AM EDT
I'd like to see the current plan for invading Canada, I'm sure it exists because we plan for everything.

I think it would go something like this, 30 guys with body armor and M-4s ride into downtown Montreal get out and say, "We have invaded your country, please surender"...minutes after that the parlament would vote to cede to invaders and allow themselves to be annexed. When asked for a justification the parlament said "because they asked so politely"
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:02:36 AM EDT
It's all part of Bush's master plan to enslave humanity for oil profits and Halliburton stock prices.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:08:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
I'd like to see the current plan for invading Canada, I'm sure it exists because we plan for everything.

I think it would go something like this, 30 guys with body armor and M-4s ride into downtown Montreal get out and say, "We have invaded your country, please surender"...minutes after that the parlament would vote to cede to invaders and allow themselves to be annexed. When asked for a justification the parlament said "because they asked so politely"




+1 LOL - Not only is it possible, it could be done over a friggin weekend before the UN even knew what happened. There are more people in New York City than in the entire country of Canada...
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:16:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
The Americans imagined a conflict between the United States (Blue) and England over international trade: "The war aim of RED in a war with BLUE is conceived to be the definite elimination of BLUE as an important economic and commercial rival."



And 625 years later, on a desolate ringworld in uncharted space, there's a soldier in a light-blue suit looking through his sniper rifle at a maroon guy and an orange guy standing on top of their base. Halarity ensues. Machinima becomes retroactively popular 546 years prior. Redvsblue.com created, then changed to rvb.roosterteeth.com.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:20:18 AM EDT
Today we could accomplish this with a determined Boy Scout troop.

The hard part would come after cessation of hostilities when we start weaning the freshly liberated populace off the socialist teat.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:29:27 AM EDT
Has the Pentagon updated War Plan Red since the '30s?

"The Defense Department never talks about its contingency plans for any countries," Whitman said. "We don't acknowledge which countries we have contingency plans for."


That's a "Yes."

Actually a plan called "Operation Leaf-blower" was scrapped in 2001 when a probing raid by US Special Forces found that there was nothing of any real, material or property value in all of Canada.

The deciding factor was that the women in Afghanistan and Iraq were prettier and and had less body hair.

(I read this on the internet so it's got to be true )
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:34:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 11:44:06 AM EDT by imposter]
Some claim that we are still planning on invading Canada: Bordering on Aggression. Apparently, the invasion will be staged from Fort Drum, NY.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:37:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By imposter:
Some claim that we are still planning on invading Canada: Boardering on Aggression. Apparently, the invasion will be staged from Fort Drum, NY.



A year or so ago some Canadian camera crew showed up outside Ford Drum and started asking questions. The US army Lt they were talking to gave them a "WTF are you talking about??!?!"
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:45:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 11:48:13 AM EDT by weptek911]

Originally Posted By imposter:
Some Canadians claim that we are still planning on invading them: Bordering on Aggression: Evidence of U.S. Military Preparations Against Canada. Apparently, the invasion will be staged from Fort Drum, NY.




Barking Moonbats ! (good article/find imposter )

Here is the "money shot" from that article

A Canadian military response would only serve to legitimate, sanctify, and thus enhance U.S. militarism. An alternative would be a program of nonviolent civilian defence.

Spoken like a true peacenik. This article is almost as good as the "Bush is starting a war with peaceful extraterrestrials " crap from last month.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:50:11 AM EDT
In researching this issue further, I have found even more evidence that the US is planning to invade Canada: invadecanada.us/.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 11:58:53 AM EDT
I think we should have a plan for everything conceivable. The USA would not be responsible if they did not do this.

Think about it in the business world - a company must look out for its shareholders...same line of logic...
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:01:34 PM EDT
a US vs. England war???

Only one thing thing to do at the outset of hostilities. I'll surrender myself at the US embassy - then be taken to the Nevada POW camp (thats the whole state).
I'll sit out the rest of the war with prostitutes, tannerite and full auto
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:03:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:04:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zatu:

Originally Posted By raven:
The Americans imagined a conflict between the United States (Blue) and England over international trade: "The war aim of RED in a war with BLUE is conceived to be the definite elimination of BLUE as an important economic and commercial rival."



And 625 years later, on a desolate ringworld in uncharted space, there's a soldier in a light-blue suit looking through his sniper rifle at a maroon guy and an orange guy standing on top of their base. Halarity ensues. Machinima becomes retroactively popular 546 years prior. Redvsblue.com created, then changed to rvb.roosterteeth.com.


Haha, glad to see I wasnt the only one thinking that.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:31:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 12:31:41 PM EDT by Special-K]

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Originally Posted By Chokey:
Should've done it before the UN was formed. Now its an impossible plan.



The UN combined without the US would never be any match for the US military, especially if they were to take action on our side of the world. Would be a lot of bodies in the water though./

Not to hijack, but how many troops do we have overseas that would be cut off "behind enemy lines" in such an event? I'm not refering to troops in Iraq/Asscrackistan but rather in Germany, Korea, Saudi/Kuwait, etc. I would think that would be a significant portion of our combat power - land, sea, and air.


-K
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:36:09 PM EDT
Shit the Canadian military and some of their people would probably fight on our side. The CAN military has taken a real fucking from their government.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:44:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
It's all part of Bush's master plan to enslave humanity for oil profits and Halliburton stock prices.



+1
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:46:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 12:46:50 PM EDT by lippo]

We couldn't invade Canada. We'd have to fight their military which is:


Air Force -




Army -




Navy -





Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:47:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
The planners anticipated a war "of long duration" because "the RED race" is "more or less phlegmatic" but "noted for its ability to fight to a finish."



So what exactly did we call the british in this report when we called them "phlegmatic?"
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:51:38 PM EDT
No need to joke about Canada's military. It is modest in size and starved in funds, but they are professionals who are fighting with us in the WoT - and are happy to do so.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:52:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:

Originally Posted By imposter:
Some Canadians claim that we are still planning on invading them: Bordering on Aggression: Evidence of U.S. Military Preparations Against Canada. Apparently, the invasion will be staged from Fort Drum, NY.




Barking Moonbats ! (good article/find imposter )

Here is the "money shot" from that article

A Canadian military response would only serve to legitimate, sanctify, and thus enhance U.S. militarism. An alternative would be a program of nonviolent civilian defence.

Spoken like a true peacenik. This article is almost as good as the "Bush is starting a war with peaceful extraterrestrials " crap from last month.



I think if it did come down to invading Canada and I was faced with non-violent peace protesters using those "peace and love" techniques against me, I would go nuts and start scalping bitches and consuming canuck flesh uncooked. They need to fight damnit!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 12:58:58 PM EDT

That invasion might come overland, with British and Canadian troops attacking Buffalo, Detroit and Albany.


If the Brits and Canadians want Detroit, let 'em have it. No loss, our gain.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:04:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OFFascist:

Originally Posted By raven:
The planners anticipated a war "of long duration" because "the RED race" is "more or less phlegmatic" but "noted for its ability to fight to a finish."



So what exactly did we call the british in this report when we called them "phlegmatic?"



They referred to the British as being unemotional... having a "stuff upper lip" if you will.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:06:05 PM EDT
I hate this type of crap. I know it is a joke, but it is very disrepectful.

Do not confuse Canadian Armed Forces with their Politicians.
The Canucks have some extremely good soldiers and they can put up
a very good fight.

The Last Time the United States invaded Canada, they chewed up our asses pretty good.
Granted things are very different now, but they can still make it bloody.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:07:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nefariousnick:

That invasion might come overland, with British and Canadian troops attacking Buffalo, Detroit and Albany.


If the Brits and Canadians want Detroit, let 'em have it. No loss, our gain.



It would be tough fighting off the canuck invaders, can you imagine trying to find a jeep with canadian plates among all those michigan plates? Besides, I think a few neighborhoods in detroit and flint could take on canada and england combined.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:07:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Danger_Close:

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
I'd like to see the current plan for invading Canada, I'm sure it exists because we plan for everything.

I think it would go something like this, 30 guys with body armor and M-4s ride into downtown Montreal get out and say, "We have invaded your country, please surender"...minutes after that the parlament would vote to cede to invaders and allow themselves to be annexed. When asked for a justification the parlament said "because they asked so politely"




+1 LOL - Not only is it possible, it could be done over a friggin weekend before the UN even knew what happened. There are more people in New York City than in the entire country of Canada...



I'll do you one better...there are more law students studying to become lawyers in the US than there are citizens of Canada.

Wait a minute...fuck, that is scary.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:09:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 1:32:41 PM EDT by weptek911]

Originally Posted By imposter:
No need to joke about Canada's military. It is modest in size and starved in funds, but they are professionals who are fighting sitting out the the central WOT in Iraq but are with us in the WoT UN Mandated intervention in Afghanistan- and are happy to do so.doing so because the Germans French and English shamed them into it.



Canada is an ally of the UN , NOT the U.S . Canada will not lift a finger to help us unless it has U.N. approval. (With the exception of tracking Santa via NORAD )
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:10:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
I hate this type of crap. I know it is a joke, but it is very disrepectful.

Do not confuse Canadian Armed Forces with their Politicians.
The Canucks have some extremely good soldiers and they can put up
a very good fight.

The Last Time the United States invaded Canada, they chewed up our asses pretty good.
Granted things are very different now, but they can still make it bloody.



I say we take it to the battlefield and find out...
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:16:04 PM EDT
I would imagine if you looked deep enough into the black files you would find current war plans for almost every major country. As we have seen often enough today's ally is tomorrow's enemy. All major powers make plans and conduct intelligence gathering on friend and foe alike.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 1:46:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2005 1:46:39 PM EDT by weptek911]

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
I hate this type of crap. I know it is a joke, but it is very disrepectful.
I respectfully disagree

Do not confuse Canadian Armed Forces with their Politicians.
The Canucks have some extremely good soldiers and they can put up
a very good fight.
They will be the first to tell you that they are "peace keepers" not "war-fighters"

The Last Time the United States invaded Canada, they chewed up our asses pretty good.
Granted things are very different now, but they can still make it bloody.

The War of 18fucking12 !? Please try to keep up with current events. Respectfully.



Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:32:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nefariousnick:

That invasion might come overland, with British and Canadian troops attacking Buffalo, Detroit and Albany.


If the Brits and Canadians want Detroit, let 'em have it. No loss, our gain.



Hell, I'd give them Buffalo for the asking.

-K
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:46:43 PM EDT
We have plans to Defend or attack anyone on the planet, Friends, neighbors, allies all of them, what do you think the Planners for the military do all day scratch their nuts and sing cumbayah?

Christ we knew how we would invade Panama and Iraq for decades, these and other multiple plans are on file all the time all they have to do during a crisis is pull them out and update which units and which equipment and tweak what they need to and we are rolling!

This is no big secret that our military does this.

We probably just figured when the extremely small ill prepared Canadian Military gets over run somebody would have to free them again!! I've seen boy scout troops better armed than the Canadian military!! It does not mean we have ill intentions for the Canadain government or it's military.

For instance , say the Russians decided to invade North America, they would most likely do it across the bering Strait, since that would be the shortest supply a troop replenishment route.

This would mean we would have to Invade Canada to save Canada from the russians!! The fighting would be mostly done in the Alaska, Canada theatre.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 2:54:03 PM EDT
We have plans to Defend or attack anyone on the planet, Friends, neighbors, allies all of them, what do you think the Planners for the military do all day scratch their nuts and sing cumbayah?

Christ we knew how we would invade Panama and Iraq for decades, these and other multiple plans are on file all the time all they have to do during a crisis is pull them out and update which units and which equipment and tweak what they need to and we are rolling!

This is no big secret that our military does this.

We probably just figured when the extremely small ill prepared Canadian Military gets over run somebody would have to free them again!! I've seen boy scout troops better armed than the Canadian military!! It does not mean we have ill intentions for the Canadain government or it's military.

For instance , say the Russians decided to invade North America, they would most likely do it across the bering Strait, since that would be the shortest supply a troop replenishment route.

This would mean we would have to Invade Canada to save Canada from the russians!! The fighting would be mostly done in the Alaska, Canada theatre.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 3:53:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fireguy3:
We have plans to Defend or attack anyone on the planet, Friends, neighbors, allies all of them, what do you think the Planners for the military do all day scratch their nuts and sing cumbayah?

Christ we knew how we would invade Panama and Iraq for decades, these and other multiple plans are on file all the time all they have to do during a crisis is pull them out and update which units and which equipment and tweak what they need to and we are rolling!

This is no big secret that our military does this.

We probably just figured when the extremely small ill prepared Canadian Military gets over run somebody would have to free them again!! I've seen boy scout troops better armed than the Canadian military!! It does not mean we have ill intentions for the Canadain government or it's military.

For instance , say the Russians decided to invade North America, they would most likely do it across the bering Strait, since that would be the shortest supply a troop replenishment route.

This would mean we would have to Invade Canada to save Canada from the russians!! The fighting would be mostly done in the Alaska, Canada theatre.



How's it goin' ay? You duped yourself ya hoser!
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 4:06:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By imposter:
No need to joke about Canada's military. It is modest in size and starved in funds, but they are professionals who are fighting with us in the WoT - and are happy to do so.





That's why I put the at the end.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 4:12:42 PM EDT
Thier Armored Regiment.



Link Posted: 12/30/2005 4:22:41 PM EDT
Can't we just GIVE the people of Detroit to Canada?
"Here ya go Canack, now go and ship them to your artic territory"
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 4:58:07 PM EDT
It seems the canadians are dangerously ahead of the US in the all important zamboni technology
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 5:03:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By colklink:
It seems the canadians are dangerously ahead of the US in the all important zamboni technology



Zamboni , invented and built in the USA

SNIP

30 Dec 2005 Paramount, California, USA

In the early 1940s, Frank Zamboni had an idea. Now, more than 50 years later, his name is synonymous with the machine he invented. In fact, ice resurfacers like the one he developed for his own rink in Southern California have had a tremendous impact on skating and ice sports throughout the world. And Frank Zamboni's belief in ongoing product improvement and innovation lives on today in the company he founded. (See The Zamboni® Story.)
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 5:03:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mustang50:
I would imagine if you looked deep enough into the black files you would find current war plans for almost every major country. As we have seen often enough today's ally is tomorrow's enemy. All major powers make plans and conduct intelligence gathering on friend and foe alike.



Belgium?
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 5:06:14 PM EDT
Why invade Canada? Are we running low on hockey players and hookers?
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 5:14:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dvr9:

Originally Posted By Danger_Close:

Originally Posted By Armed_Scientist:
I'd like to see the current plan for invading Canada, I'm sure it exists because we plan for everything.

I think it would go something like this, 30 guys with body armor and M-4s ride into downtown Montreal get out and say, "We have invaded your country, please surender"...minutes after that the parlament would vote to cede to invaders and allow themselves to be annexed. When asked for a justification the parlament said "because they asked so politely"




+1 LOL - Not only is it possible, it could be done over a friggin weekend before the UN even knew what happened. There are more people in New York City than in the entire country of Canada...



I'll do you one better...there are more law students studying to become lawyers in the US than there are citizens of Canada. hat



Over 30 million lawyers? And here I thought my country sucked.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 8:23:30 PM EDT
OK, I'm game, let's invade...
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 8:35:23 PM EDT
There are no Canadians in Canada,they're all on I-75 headed south to spread their funny money,to clog up our vending machines.
Link Posted: 12/30/2005 8:48:19 PM EDT
Are you suggesting that Canadians walk amongst us?
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