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Posted: 3/13/2011 3:43:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 5:51:37 PM EST by victorgonzales]
I am a firm believer that Obama won only because he is half black and because of bush hate.

Bush hate is gone for most of the country other than the permanent left but what about the race card?


I know for a fact a shit load of white eole voted for Obama because it was the right thing to do to vote in the first black president. Half of the damned campaign on the right was walking on eggshells due to the slave owners democrats just pouncing on any criticism as racist , and most independents believing that racism was a factor.

In 2012 I am wondering if the left is stuid enough to just claim racism like they did in 08 whenever people disagree. I think if they try and make that an issue they are going to cement a republican victory no matter how shitty of a candidate the repubs run. All the moderates that elected obama and jumped ship after all the failures in policy and the obamacare raping of the public are not going to be persuaded to vote for him again when their criticisms are being defined as racist. A lot of them believed that criticism from the right was racist pre 2008 but it has been proven that we were right about him so that shit is not longer going to scare them into white guilt.

Sharpton and Jackson and the media may well win this election for us no matter how we run it.

discuss.

ETA ONCE AGAIN: This is not a thread about who the republicans are going to run and whether they can beat Obama. There are other threads for that. This is a thread about whether the left will push moderates and independents away by accusing them of being racists for not likely what Obama has done.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 3:46:43 PM EST
Agreed. Thats's how they roll.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 3:58:22 PM EST
You said "I know for a fact a shit load of white eole voted for Obama"


What are "white eoles"???

Link Posted: 3/13/2011 4:00:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By WileyG27:
You said "I know for a fact a shit load of white eole voted for Obama"


What are "white eoles"???








Creoles?
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 4:14:37 PM EST
the race card is spent.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 4:17:36 PM EST
Allen West is going to run against 0bama.

Then the only "racist" vote will be not to vote at all.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 4:44:31 PM EST
The race card has had a negative balance since 2008, confiscate card and destroy.

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Link Posted: 3/13/2011 4:46:16 PM EST
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.

Link Posted: 3/13/2011 4:52:51 PM EST
OP-I think your firm belief is half wrong. Obama won because of Bush hate. There is no doubt about that. Whomever the democratic candidate was, was going to win. Remember Hillary Clinton? She would have won if she had been nominated.

She was not nominated because she failed to appreciate the value of the mid western caucus states. That had nothing to do with race and everything to do with putting work in on the ground.

Ask yourself, how did the umpteen other black candidates, dating back to reconstruction, not win the presidency? How do you square that fact with "white guilt" and black voters.

Obama won due to Bush hate/republican hate and superior politicking.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:07:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



So we got an even less qualified buffoon for POTUS.

Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:14:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By seahorse:
Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



So we got an even less qualified buffoon for POTUS.

+1

Regardless of what you think of her, she was/is 10x more qualified to be POTUS than he was/is.

Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:25:18 PM EST
Herman Cain is black as well. Race card would be null and void. In fact Cain is blacker than the POTUS
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:30:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By WileyG27:
You said "I know for a fact a shit load of white eole voted for Obama"


What are "white eoles"???

crumb stick under my P key and lack of proof reading.

Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:31:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By xylo:
OP-I think your firm belief is half wrong. Obama won because of Bush hate. There is no doubt about that. Whomever the democratic candidate was, was going to win. Remember Hillary Clinton? She would have won if she had been nominated.

She was not nominated because she failed to appreciate the value of the mid western caucus states. That had nothing to do with race and everything to do with putting work in on the ground.

Ask yourself, how did the umpteen other black candidates, dating back to reconstruction, not win the presidency? How do you square that fact with "white guilt" and black voters.

Obama won due to Bush hate/republican hate and superior politicking.


This plus McCain/Palin was far from the strongest ticket the Rs could have put forward; but I think a loss to the Ds was pretty much inevitable.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:35:10 PM EST
Hopefully Herman Cain or Alan West will get the Rep. nomination. I don't say this from a race standpoint, I think they are hands-down the best candidates out there right now.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:36:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 5:38:41 PM EST by victorgonzales]

Originally Posted By xylo:
OP-I think your firm belief is half wrong. Obama won because of Bush hate. There is no doubt about that. Whomever the democratic candidate was, was going to win. Remember Hillary Clinton? She would have won if she had been nominated.

She was not nominated because she failed to appreciate the value of the mid western caucus states. That had nothing to do with race and everything to do with putting work in on the ground.

Ask yourself, how did the umpteen other black candidates, dating back to reconstruction, not win the presidency? How do you square that fact with "white guilt" and black voters.

Obama won due to Bush hate/republican hate and superior politicking.

Im just going from what I heard people saying. I absolutely believe it was a factor. I cannot even count the amount of times I heard normally non political people tell me that we really should have our first black president and then would explain to me how they thought a lot of the criticism of his ideas was due to conservative racism. Even when I would lay down a thirty minute detailed speech about why we didn't want Obama to win using nothing but facts and historical reference to small Obamas campaign platform they would say "you may have a good reason but I still believe most of it is racism"

My point is that all of our criticisms on him concerning the economy and other policy turned out to be true so regardless of whether it was a big or a small factor that racist card will not sway moderates and independent voters since the right was proven right about obama. It will also piss off the moderates who largely voted for Obama to be newly lumped into the category of racists for not liking what he has done for four years and I really don't think the left and the general media is going to be able to help themselves and will make these accusations.


Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:47:49 PM EST
The President won because America was ready for a black President, and they wanted change...

His performance will be the future (good or bad ) for another black man that wishes to run

FREE
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:51:45 PM EST


Oh come now Victor ––- they surely won't stoop to play the race card to win the election.









Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:52:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By redleg71:
Hopefully Herman Cain or Alan West will get the Rep. nomination. I don't say this from a race standpoint, I think they are hands-down the best candidates out there right now.


Yepp
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:55:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 5:56:07 PM EST by Snuffy74]
Originally Posted By FREEFALLE7:
The President won because America was ready for a black President, and they wanted change...

His performance will be the future (good or bad ) for another black man that wishes to run

FREE


They got change... socialism in the white house is a new thing. Kinda.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:55:52 PM EST
The problem is that we're lining up the same criticism that failed the last time, only re-hashed and tarted up. You'll hear from the GOP candidates that Obama is a socialist with little experience governing who spends money in ridiculous excess. You'll hear from talk radio and an increasing number of sources the same crap from last time: Friend of terrorists, communist, Kenyan, Muslim, Enemy of America.

The excessive spending is manifest and is a good platform to run on supported by rational, mature analysis of the excesses of BHO. Unfortunately, we're just as afflicted with Obama derangement syndrome as the other side was with GWB. We're probably going to blow this by being overwrought and going way too far with our rhetoric. Any other approach won't satisfy the 'movement' believers.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 5:57:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By seahorse:
Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



So we got an even less qualified buffoon for POTUS.



No. Obama is manifestly more qualified and informed. This was also true before his presidency started. Failing to acknowledge this is another trap that could easily hand Obama four more years.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:01:10 PM EST
Originally Posted By Fast_Jimmy:
Originally Posted By seahorse:
Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



So we got an even less qualified buffoon for POTUS.



No. Obama is manifestly more qualified and informed. This was also true before his presidency started. Failing to acknowledge this is another trap that could easily hand Obama four more years.


Yes, because Obama has done such a fabulous job.

The only thing that guy has going for him is a completely and totally compliant media.

If he didn't have the media on their knees in front of him, he'd have nothing.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:04:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 3/13/2011 6:06:42 PM EST by victorgonzales]

Originally Posted By Fast_Jimmy:
The problem is that we're lining up the same criticism that failed the last time, only re-hashed and tarted up. You'll hear from the GOP candidates that Obama is a socialist with little experience governing who spends money in ridiculous excess. You'll hear from talk radio and an increasing number of sources the same crap from last time: Friend of terrorists, communist, Kenyan, Muslim, Enemy of America.

The excessive spending is manifest and is a good platform to run on supported by rational, mature analysis of the excesses of BHO. Unfortunately, we're just as afflicted with Obama derangement syndrome as the other side was with GWB. We're probably going to blow this by being overwrought and going way too far with our rhetoric. Any other approach won't satisfy the 'movement' believers.

I don't know about that. It seems to me that most of the criticism that actual candidates will be running will be a destroyed economy, increased debt and spending,and obamacare being shoved down our throats. I doubt any decent campaign manager is going to focus on trivial shit when there is so much solid evidence of failure to bury Obama with. The democrats resistance to cut spending after 2010 will also help put the nail in that coffin since everyone knows that Obama is not going to sign a real balanced budget. The only way Obama could save face on that issue is to DEMAND that democrats in the legislature let republicans cut whatever they want and to sign big budget cuts before 2012

That's usually tactics used when you have nothing else. Kinda like the left with Racism. I think since they have no ground to stand on in pretty much every area of the campaign they are going to try hard to dismiss real criticism with accusations of racism. Even more than they have been. I think it is going to backfire on them and make it very hard for even a shitty republican candidate to lose if their campaign manager can keep them focused on the important stuff.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:07:40 PM EST
Originally Posted By chuckdslayer:
Herman Cain is black as well. Race card would be null and void. In fact Cain is blacker than the POTUS


He was doing pretty well in the Greta interview until she got to the "how would you handle Libya" question. As a non-military/businessman he was (understandably) pretty weak albeit no weaker that what we have, even now.

So that makes the perfect ticked WEST-CAIN!

And they say we're racist. Sheesh.
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:17:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By FreeBear:


Oh come now Victor ––- they surely won't stoop to play the race card to win the election.




My sarcasm detector just pegged.

Since it was so effective in '08, the race card will be used even more in 2012. In fact, the MSM is using it already in their reporting of the NPR entrapment scandal.





Don't leave home without it.

Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:20:19 PM EST
Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:23:55 PM EST
If a genuine conservative challenger shows up, I don't care if he does campaign speeches wearing a Klan suit at this point.

My ODS* is kicked in and there's no cure for it.










*Obama Derangement Syndrome
Link Posted: 3/13/2011 6:27:30 PM EST
I do not know about anyone else.

But, for me, the race card is broken.


Fusk those tards.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 10:50:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By Fast_Jimmy:
Originally Posted By seahorse:
Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



So we got an even less qualified buffoon for POTUS.



No. Obama is manifestly more qualified and informed. This was also true before his presidency started. Failing to acknowledge this is another trap that could easily hand Obama four more years.


WOW. Where did you get that idea? Please describe his qualifications.

I already know he was a Harvard professor. I also know he was a community organizer. Neither of which gave him any decision-making experience. Where did he become "manifestly more qualified and informed"?



Link Posted: 3/14/2011 1:40:22 PM EST
Well Fast_Jimmy, answer the question. Please back up the nonsense you posted about Obamas qualifications.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 1:43:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



Soooo glad we got Anvil "Hairplugs" Joe, King of The foot-in-mouth, instead.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 1:45:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By Loki41872:

Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



Soooo glad we got Anvil "Hairplugs" Joe, King of The foot-in-mouth, instead.

I know, isn't it appalling?

It's hard to forgive that woman for her behavior.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 1:49:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By LW303:

Originally Posted By Loki41872:

Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



Soooo glad we got Anvil "Hairplugs" Joe, King of The foot-in-mouth, instead.

I know, isn't it appalling?

It's hard to forgive that woman for her behavior.


Go on.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 1:53:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By 583:
Originally Posted By LW303:

Originally Posted By Loki41872:

Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



Soooo glad we got Anvil "Hairplugs" Joe, King of The foot-in-mouth, instead.

I know, isn't it appalling?

It's hard to forgive that woman for her behavior.


Go on.

Poor l'il gal's clearly afflicted with a bad case of PDS....let her get some rest...

Link Posted: 3/14/2011 1:54:47 PM EST
Obama won because 'elections are about the future.' McCain was seen, understandably by the non-ideologues, as being not a part of the future due to his age. Add in the absolution of white guilt by voting for the half-black man and Bush-hate, there was no way McCain was going to win despite who shared the ticket.

Fast forward to 2012. The election is the Republicans' to lose because Obama is a known quantity who has pissed off the country (read the 2010 election results). Of course, if the Republicans stay with their self-destructive pattern of picking brand names or those who paid their dues, then Obama is given another in his long line of gifts from the opposition. If the Republicans nominate a competent leader with executive experience and accomplishment who is seen as part of the future, then Obama loses. This stuff really isn't that hard to figure out, is it?
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 2:00:25 PM EST
No, he is not qualified. He was and still is a community organizer. He lacks any demonstrable leadership when tough situations arise where a real decision and leader is required. (Libya, for example)

He outsources all the important stuff - like healthcare to others because he is simply an empty suit that can read a teleprompter well. He is yet to actually lead on anything, other than making speeches and vacationing.


Originally Posted By Fast_Jimmy:
Originally Posted By seahorse:
Originally Posted By LW303:
That might have been enough, but the prospect of that buffoon from alaska being one-old-man's-heartbeat away from the presidency sealed the deal.



So we got an even less qualified buffoon for POTUS.



No. Obama is manifestly more qualified and informed. This was also true before his presidency started. Failing to acknowledge this is another trap that could easily hand Obama four more years.


Link Posted: 3/14/2011 2:26:04 PM EST
I really believe that the race card will be pulled during the 2012 election. It's one of their favorite tools, there's no way they'll abandon it unless they're so far in the lead they have no fear of losing, and I don't think that will be the case. Even if the R candidate is black or Latino, they'll find a way to insinuate that he's a race traitor or a token black fronting for a racist R party.

Hell, considering Obama's record the first 2+ years the race card may be all he's got to work with, he sure as hell can't run on his record, it's abysmal no matter which side of the aisle you're on.
Link Posted: 3/14/2011 2:28:29 PM EST
Originally Posted By widerstehe:
Allen West is going to run against 0bama.

Then the only "racist" vote will be not to vote at all.


Allen West should of been the first black president.
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