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Posted: 6/17/2016 1:16:58 AM EDT
We all know it. Islam is the problem. It is growing faster than any other religion and with that the percentage of radicals will grow with it. So how do we as the majority of this board are based in the West fight against it? We as a culture view religion as a separate entity from state, they view as it differently, inherently in a majority islamic country you must be muslim to be involved in politics(most of the Middle East, i maybe wrong) . We tend to tolerate other cultures for the most part as long as they assimilate or respect ours (except liberals who celebrate it or change it together)

So at how does a people fight Islam culturally or religiously? Could it be done on s global scale? Could governments support efforts or not due to seperation of church and state by promoting a liberal version of Islam abroad or active conversion to other religions or none at all in radical Islamic countries? We can destroy nations easily militarily but we never wage war culturally.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:19:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:20:16 AM EDT
Vote against Hillary.

We are in a bad spot. I don't like Trump. But we must be in survival mode. This is fo time.

by the time President hillary leaves office, there will be no chance of a Repub president for the next 5 decades, and the 2A will no longer exist.

Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:21:07 AM EDT
We can't. Islam has to have their own reformation.

Unfortunately they might take us down with them before it succeeds.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:21:29 AM EDT
How much blood are you willing to have on your hands?
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:22:10 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mancat:
We can't. Islam has to have their own reformation.

Unfortunately they might take us down with them before it succeeds.
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What would reform Islam? What mechanism is contained in it to effect such thing?
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:22:53 AM EDT
I value my account, so I will say nothing.

That said, I do love a good nuclear explosion




Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:23:28 AM EDT
It seems less and less like a religion and more like a political tool, with a religious component, all the time.

Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:23:36 AM EDT
Ask the communists/atheists. They've done a pretty good job of fighting Christianity.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:24:47 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MaChu:
We all know it. Islam is the problem. It is growing faster than any other religion and with that the percentage of radicals will grow with it. So how do we as the majority of this board are based in the West fight against it? We as a culture view religion as a separate entity from state, they view as it differently, inherently in a majority islamic country you must be muslim to be involved in politics(most of the Middle East, i maybe wrong) . We tend to tolerate other cultures for the most part as long as they assimilate or respect ours (except liberals who celebrate it or change it together)

So at how does a people fight Islam culturally or religiously? Could it be done on s global scale? Could governments support efforts or not due to seperation of church and state by promoting a liberal version of Islam abroad or active conversion to other religions or none at all in radical Islamic countries? We can destroy nations easily militarily but we never wage war culturally.
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Basically they need a half billion SJWs dumped on them. Guaranteed to fuckulate the culture or your money back.

Or just study what the libs did to us and find a way to pull it off in the ME
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:25:09 AM EDT
The ocean used to be enough, but idiots made it inert.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:25:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By KennyW1983:
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It is. Islam is a self-contained theocracy.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:25:29 AM EDT
Like the Vatican fought the Cathars.
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Originally Posted By Capt_Rhodes:
Ask the communists/atheists. They've done a pretty good job of fighting Christianity.
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Christians did it to themselves.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:26:15 AM EDT
Islam is a complete political system - that has a religious component at the center.

Fight it like we used to fight communism.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:26:25 AM EDT
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It's not a religion. It's a theocratic despotic system of governance.

If people would understand that they would oppose it as much as they do, or did, communism.

eta.. beat by 10 seconds!
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:26:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:

What would reform Islam? What mechanism is contained in it to effect such thing?
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Originally Posted By mancat:
We can't. Islam has to have their own reformation.

Unfortunately they might take us down with them before it succeeds.

What would reform Islam? What mechanism is contained in it to effect such thing?


The hell if I know.

It comes down to enough Muslims deciding that they don't like the rules that they are forced to live under. At this time that does not appear to be happening. The men seem to enjoy it, and the women get beat down and killed when they complain.

So if they can't reform, and they can't behave in modern society, that really only leaves one option left for us. Let's see how long it takes, and how many people have to die, before that point is reached.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:26:50 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:

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Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By mancat:
We can't. Islam has to have their own reformation.

Unfortunately they might take us down with them before it succeeds.

What would reform Islam? What mechanism is contained in it to effect such thing?


I think we are seeing their Reformation now. Many Muslims are looking into their own holy texts and thinking for themselves instead of listening to the classical opinions of the old Madhabs. It just happens that the Quran and Hadith are violent as hell. The only way forward for them would be to admit that Muhammad did some terrible stuff and shouldn't be emulated. To do that though would make the whole religion pointless.



I don't know why everyone thinks they will reform and everything will be fine and dandy.
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Originally Posted By Bassman2:
Islam is a complete political system - that has a religious component at the center.

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So we should expect an Islamic American government in about 50 or so years?
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:27:25 AM EDT
Originally Posted By MaChu:
We all know it. Islam is the problem. It is growing faster than any other religion and with that the percentage of radicals will grow with it. So how do we as the majority of this board are based in the West fight against it? We as a culture view religion as a separate entity from state, they view as it differently, inherently in a majority islamic country you must be muslim to be involved in politics(most of the Middle East, i maybe wrong) . We tend to tolerate other cultures for the most part as long as they assimilate or respect ours (except liberals who celebrate it or change it together)

So at how does a people fight Islam culturally or religiously? Could it be done on s global scale? Could governments support efforts or not due to seperation of church and state by promoting a liberal version of Islam abroad or active conversion to other religions or none at all in radical Islamic countries? We can destroy nations easily militarily but we never wage war culturally.
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I am still boggled that after all the bitching about Super Christians from the left wing Jesus haters, that they are mum about Islam.
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Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
It's not a religion. It's a theocratic despotic system of governance.

If people would understand that they would oppose it as much as they do, or did, communism.

eta.. beat by 10 seconds!
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+2
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:28:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mancat:
We can't. Islam has to have their own reformation.

Unfortunately they might take us down with them before it succeeds.
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Looking at pictures of Afghanistan and other places from the 50's and 60's to now makes me think that they are going in the opposite direction.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:29:05 AM EDT
So how did we fight communism?

How can we incite a reformation amongst them?
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:29:08 AM EDT
If I must get a background check prior to taking custody of a firearm. Then, the government can also require a background check before you're approved to attend service at a Mosque.

If the American government can tell me which guns I can and cannot own. Then, the American Govt can also say which religion is approved and which are not. Perhaps we should outlaw Islam based on the actions of a few bad apples?

But, a LIBTARD will probably say that there is FREEDOM OF RELIGON. It's in the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.

My response would be, when the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution said "....shall not be infringed." Did you not understand it?

Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:30:26 AM EDT
We convert them to Christianity. To an astonishing degree, this is happening in the middle east. They see how islam has failed them.

But for now VOTE TRUMP. We must.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:30:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By GrasshopperNOmore:


So we should expect an Islamic American government in about 50 or so years?
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Originally Posted By GrasshopperNOmore:
Originally Posted By Bassman2:
Islam is a complete political system - that has a religious component at the center.

Fight it like we used to fight communism.


So we should expect an Islamic American government in about 50 or so years?

No, but you can expect the EU to be Sharia compliant in about 50 years.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:30:56 AM EDT
start off by nuking mecca. then continue to nuke until there are no more.. Kinda like what Genghis Khan would do if still alive..
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:30:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Capt_Rhodes:
Ask the communists/atheists. They've done a pretty good job of fighting Christianity.
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Sex was the most potent weapon to use against Christianity. With Islam, a sexual revolution with "free love" wont work.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:31:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By 110:


Looking at pictures of Afghanistan and other places from the 50's and 60's to now makes me think that they are going in the opposite direction.
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Originally Posted By 110:
Originally Posted By mancat:
We can't. Islam has to have their own reformation.

Unfortunately they might take us down with them before it succeeds.


Looking at pictures of Afghanistan and other places from the 50's and 60's to now makes me think that they are going in the opposite direction.


You are correct. Seems like there was a brief period where the Islamic world was enamored with Western culture and potentially sought to emulate our values. Then, crabs in a bucket.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:31:09 AM EDT
Cultural reform and an internal willingness to change. It ain't easy.

Fighting a primary regional religion (especially a major one) through force is pissing in the wind.
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Originally Posted By Bassman2:
Islam is a complete political system - that has a religious component at the center.

Fight it like we used to fight communism.
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They've had a friend in the w/h for over 7 years, but that's gonna change.
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Originally Posted By Bassman2:
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They are already poor. You cant spend them under the table and revolutions empower more radical elements.
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Originally Posted By MaChu:
So how did we fight communism?

How can we incite a reformation amongst them?
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We bankrupted them, but that won't work with islam..they already live in poverty.....
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Ask Cortes.

Anymore Quetzalcoatl worshipers around? Nope.

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There a shit ton more muslims around than there were Aztecs.

But yes, Cortes did the needful.
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Originally Posted By elbeefalo:
Cultural reform and an internal willingness to change. It ain't easy.

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some will. There are always exceptions to a rule, but I would rather that experiment not happen on our soil, we have enough problems. Maybe Jordan.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:38:13 AM EDT
So Cortes brought plagues, guns and Catholicism. Is that a useful approach and how could you make it happen?
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Originally Posted By Geohans:
Vote against Hillary.

We are in a bad spot. I don't like Trump. But we must be in survival mode. This is fo time.

by the time President hillary leaves office, there will be no chance of a Repub president for the next 5 decades, and the 2A will no longer exist.

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Originally Posted By 110:


Sex was the most potent weapon to use against Christianity. With Islam, a sexual revolution with "free love" wont work.
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Originally Posted By Capt_Rhodes:
Ask the communists/atheists. They've done a pretty good job of fighting Christianity.


Sex was the most potent weapon to use against Christianity. With Islam, a sexual revolution with "free love" wont work.


Behold, the newest weapon of war.


Aloha, Mark
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 1:43:51 AM EDT
Anything is possible if one has the courage to do what is necessary.
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Originally Posted By MaChu:
So Cortes brought plagues, guns and Catholicism. Is that a useful approach and how could you make it happen?
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No.

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I understand the elimination aspect of many here through military means, but it is costly both monetarily and on the world political scale. Would it be possible to rally the West and even the East against Islam? How could something like that happen?
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Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:


There a shit ton more muslims around than there were Aztecs.

But yes, Cortes did the needful.
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Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Ask Cortes.

Anymore Quetzalcoatl worshipers around? Nope.



There a shit ton more muslims around than there were Aztecs.

But yes, Cortes did the needful.

So did Pizarro, Scipio Aemilianus, and Caesar but not too many 21st Century people are going to raise their hands to put on any of those fellows' boots.

A more modern, but less well known (but actually more comparable to what we're dealing with) example would be what Sleeman started in India when the British got serious about suppressing (which lead to eventually effectively wiping out) the Thugee. But again, I doubt any 21st Century citizenry is going to go for imposing something akin to the Criminal Tribes Act(s) on vast swathes of the Islamic world.
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Originally Posted By MaChu:
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He killed their men and knocked up their women.
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Originally Posted By ThreeNinesFine:


I think we are seeing their Reformation now. Many Muslims are looking into their own holy texts and thinking for themselves instead of listening to the classical opinions of the old Madhabs. It just happens that the Quran and Hadith are violent as hell. The only way forward for them would be to admit that Muhammad did some terrible stuff and shouldn't be emulated. To do that though would make the whole religion pointless.



I don't know why everyone thinks they will reform and everything will be fine and dandy.
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Originally Posted By ThreeNinesFine:
Originally Posted By ziarifleman:
Originally Posted By mancat:
We can't. Islam has to have their own reformation.

Unfortunately they might take us down with them before it succeeds.

What would reform Islam? What mechanism is contained in it to effect such thing?


I think we are seeing their Reformation now. Many Muslims are looking into their own holy texts and thinking for themselves instead of listening to the classical opinions of the old Madhabs. It just happens that the Quran and Hadith are violent as hell. The only way forward for them would be to admit that Muhammad did some terrible stuff and shouldn't be emulated. To do that though would make the whole religion pointless.



I don't know why everyone thinks they will reform and everything will be fine and dandy.

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Originally Posted By ma96782:


Behold, the newest weapon of war.
http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/ma96782/AR15dotcom/goat.jpg

Aloha, Mark
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Originally Posted By ma96782:
Originally Posted By 110:
Originally Posted By Capt_Rhodes:
Ask the communists/atheists. They've done a pretty good job of fighting Christianity.


Sex was the most potent weapon to use against Christianity. With Islam, a sexual revolution with "free love" wont work.


Behold, the newest weapon of war.
http://i813.photobucket.com/albums/zz55/ma96782/AR15dotcom/goat.jpg

Aloha, Mark


Poisoning their food sources with viruses? Or giving goats AIDS?
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I understand the elimination aspect of many here through military means, but it is costly both monetarily and on the world political scale. Would it be possible to rally the West and even the East against Islam? How could something like that happen?
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Originally Posted By Papaw:
Anything is possible if one has the courage to do what is necessary.


I understand the elimination aspect of many here through military means, but it is costly both monetarily and on the world political scale. Would it be possible to rally the West and even the East against Islam? How could something like that happen?


"Where there's a will, there's a way."
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:


ISIS is currently bringing, disease, guns, rape, and Islamism to Europe.

Seems to be working for them.
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Originally Posted By elbeefalo:
Originally Posted By MaChu:
So Cortes brought plagues, guns and Catholicism. Is that a useful approach and how could you make it happen?


No.



ISIS is currently bringing, disease, guns, rape, and Islamism to Europe.

Seems to be working for them.


Would it work for western culture? No.
Link Posted: 6/17/2016 2:04:11 AM EDT

These people are taught from birth and say every day and internalize that there is no god but allah and muhammad is his messenger.

The west had their chance in the crusades to eradicate islam by force when at a time there was no media, respect for rights and feels. But they stopped after they took Jerusalem when they should have went to mecca and burned it down.


To fight this now would require using tactics the marxists/soviets used on us, which is ideological subversion into a new ideology, which will take generations to accomplish. You would have to adapt critical theory to islam and middle east culture in order to destroy it without resorting to genocide.
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