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Posted: 1/17/2015 10:52:23 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/17/2015 10:54:05 PM EST by sherrick13]
Regardless of what this thread lead you to believe.








Above is the article. It overblows how often most departments use the Fed seizure process. No one in my department did in my 17 years in LE.



Most departments use State seizure laws. Not the Fed ones. When the Feds make a seizure they almost always have the help of local agencies. They always gave up some of the loot to the locals.

All Holder did is say the Feds are going to keep ALL the loot regardless of any help from local agencies.



The end result will be almost no change in the amount of seizures taking place.



In any event he did NOT make it where the .gov can't take your shit and he in NO WAY did anything positive with this action. At best it is neutral.







Link Posted: 1/17/2015 10:59:13 PM EST
Well DUH!




Everything is smoke & mirrors with these assholes. There's no way they'd do anything that actually reined in the power of the almighty gov.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:11:53 AM EST
carpe el shitto
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:13:32 AM EST
I knew it. OP, better hand over that duffle bag.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:17:24 AM EST
Anyone who believed that is not bright.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:18:03 AM EST
Citation needed.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:31:25 AM EST
I thought this practice was greatly reduced a few years ago due to law suits... Big one was an USAF guy who had rented out a house for several years and had it seized because some rentor was growing pot in it without his knowledge. Took years, but he won. Seizure without conviction is absolutely un-American!
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:54:20 AM EST
All Holder did is say the Feds are going to keep ALL the loot regardless of any help from local agencies.
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okay, so if the Fed's cut out the middle man (city county state) and no longer giving a cut of the prize money then the locals will be less inclined to involve the Fed's in their cases and without Federal help the locals are much weaker and less inclined to rob and steal from people ..
I still see it as a win but if you do something to involve the FBI DEA or ATF, you're pretty much fucked either way.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:56:10 AM EST
Do you have a citation or is this your interpretation of what was said?
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 4:07:31 AM EST
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Originally Posted By skippycoop:
I thought this practice was greatly reduced a few years ago due to law suits... Big one was an USAF guy who had rented out a house for several years and had it seized because some rentor was growing pot in it without his knowledge. Took years, but he won. Seizure without conviction is absolutely un-American!
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Not particularly reduced at all.

In some states where they've passed legislation to stop it, agencies simply keep on doing it and tell them to fuck off.


Forfeiture is bullshit, but what I want to know is why the administration is so gung-ho to fuck over non-federal law enforcement all of the sudden.
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Forfeiture is bullshit, but what I want to know is why the administration is so gung-ho to fuck over non-federal law enforcement all of the sudden.
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Hint: Their not doing it for the children..

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Originally Posted By gman97005:

okay, so if the Fed's cut out the middle man (city county state) and no longer giving a cut of the prize money then the locals will be less inclined to involve the Fed's in their cases and without Federal help the locals are much weaker and less inclined to rob and steal from people ..
I still see it as a win but if you do something to involve the FBI DEA or ATF, you're pretty much fucked either way.
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Originally Posted By gman97005:
All Holder did is say the Feds are going to keep ALL the loot regardless of any help from local agencies.

okay, so if the Fed's cut out the middle man (city county state) and no longer giving a cut of the prize money then the locals will be less inclined to involve the Fed's in their cases and without Federal help the locals are much weaker and less inclined to rob and steal from people ..
I still see it as a win but if you do something to involve the FBI DEA or ATF, you're pretty much fucked either way.
The vast majority take place under state law. Holder changed almost nothing.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 10:48:46 AM EST
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Originally Posted By 3O8junkie:
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Read the article. not opinion, but I just added facts to the poorly written article.


Do you for some reason think Holder would actually reduce the power of .gov?

Or do you think a reporter would write an article the looks like Holder is doing something "for the people"?
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Forfeiture is bullshit, but what I want to know is why the administration is so gung-ho to fuck over non-federal law enforcement all of the sudden.
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because fed gov is broke and scraping for money anywhere they can find it?
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because fed gov is broke and scraping for money anywhere they can find it?
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Forfeiture is bullshit, but what I want to know is why the administration is so gung-ho to fuck over non-federal law enforcement all of the sudden.




because fed gov is broke and scraping for money anywhere they can find it?
And the fact they hate state's rights and want to centralize everything.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 11:15:18 AM EST
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Originally Posted By skippycoop:
I thought this practice was greatly reduced a few years ago due to law suits... Big one was an USAF guy who had rented out a house for several years and had it seized because some rentor was growing pot in it without his knowledge. Took years, but he won. Seizure without conviction is absolutely un-American!
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Why would losing one case and merely having to give the money back deter them from trying the same thing again? Did anyone personally lose money? Did any of the cops end up in jail?
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:







because fed gov is broke and scraping for money anywhere they can find it?
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Originally Posted By buck19delta:



Forfeiture is bullshit, but what I want to know is why the administration is so gung-ho to fuck over non-federal law enforcement all of the sudden.




because fed gov is broke and scraping for money anywhere they can find it?


Because their trying to federalize local/state law enforcement agency's.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:47:22 PM EST
If I was running a state or local law enforcement agency I would not help the Feds at all. They don't enforce imagination, then they can forget it.
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Originally Posted By mp41:


Because their trying to federalize local/state law enforcement agency's.
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Originally Posted By mp41:
Originally Posted By buck19delta:



Forfeiture is bullshit, but what I want to know is why the administration is so gung-ho to fuck over non-federal law enforcement all of the sudden.




because fed gov is broke and scraping for money anywhere they can find it?


Because their trying to federalize local/state law enforcement agency's.

Nope.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 12:58:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:

Nope.
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Originally Posted By Shenanigunz:
Originally Posted By mp41:
Originally Posted By buck19delta:



Forfeiture is bullshit, but what I want to know is why the administration is so gung-ho to fuck over non-federal law enforcement all of the sudden.




because fed gov is broke and scraping for money anywhere they can find it?


Because their trying to federalize local/state law enforcement agency's.

Nope.


Ha.... no I don't think you know much about the topic you're on.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 1:48:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Palm:
If I was running a state or local law enforcement agency I would not help the Feds at all. They don't enforce imagination, then they can forget it.
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There are plenty of chiefs that will sell their soul for 80% of a big pile of cash they otherwise couldn't touch.
Link Posted: 1/18/2015 1:51:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:

There are plenty of chiefs that will sell their soul for 80% of a big pile of cash they otherwise couldn't touch.
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Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Palm:
If I was running a state or local law enforcement agency I would not help the Feds at all. They don't enforce imagination, then they can forget it.

There are plenty of chiefs that will sell their soul for 80% of a big pile of cash they otherwise couldn't touch.
Most.
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Originally Posted By sherrick13:
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Originally Posted By sherrick13:
Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Originally Posted By Palm:
If I was running a state or local law enforcement agency I would not help the Feds at all. They don't enforce imagination, then they can forget it.

There are plenty of chiefs that will sell their soul for 80% of a big pile of cash they otherwise couldn't touch.
Most.
Doesn't take a lot of imagination to figure that one out.

Civil forfeiture is bullshit without due process.
And neglect /selective enforcement of federal laws to suit political gain/purposes is criminal.

Link Posted: 1/18/2015 2:17:36 PM EST
How else are you supposed to get new police boats?
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Originally Posted By Ragin_Cajun:
Well DUH!




Everything is smoke & mirrors with these assholes. There's no way they'd do anything that actually reined in the power of the almighty gov.
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