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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:45:32 PM EDT
Which one to get?
When will they be out? What the fuck is taking so long? 
I like the idea of .308 Pmags, and I've heard the recoil is lighter on the 5.56 Bushmaster ACR vs. the 5.56 FN SCAR. Of course that doesn't mean it will translate to the .308 rifles. They both sound like really good rifles. It may be a hard choice to make. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:47:07 PM EDT
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SCAR.. or a KAC SR25 EMC
SCAR 17 is already out, so is SR25 EMC my .02 |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:51:16 PM EDT
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They make a .308 ACR? That's news to me.
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:54:14 PM EDT
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I put 250 rounds (PMC Brass) through a SCAR, ACR, as well as an FS2000 at 100 yards. 250 through each, I mean.
PMag in the ACR, USGI CProducts mag in the SCAR, USGI CProducts mag in the FS2000. Very informal test, but heres what I found: Accuracy (In descending order) ACR, SCAR, FS2000 Reliability: ACR/FS2000 (0 jams), SCAR (1 jam) Ergonomics: FS2000, SCAR, ACR The ACR was the most accurate, but also the heaviest. The SCAR is the lightest, and the best shooter, but also was the only one to malfunction. The FS2000 is the best for pointability, but accuracy suffers at range. No idea how this would translate into .308 versions, but these were my experiences with the 5.56 flavors |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:54:18 PM EDT
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I just realized I should probably be stocking up on .308 ammo now.
Anyone know of some really good stuff at a decent price? |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:56:52 PM EDT
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There is no .308 ACR. Probably never will be.
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:56:58 PM EDT
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I put 250 rounds (PMC Brass) through a SCAR, ACR, as well as an FS2000 at 100 yards. 250 through each, I mean. PMag in the ACR, USGI CProducts mag in the SCAR, USGI CProducts mag in the FS2000. Very informal test, but heres what I found: Accuracy (In descending order) ACR, SCAR, FS2000 Reliability: ACR/FS2000 (0 jams), SCAR (1 jam) Ergonomics: FS2000, SCAR, ACR The ACR was the most accurate, but also the heaviest. The SCAR is the lightest, and the best shooter, but also was the only one to malfunction. The FS2000 is the best for pointability, but accuracy suffers at range. No idea how this would translate into .308 versions, but these were my experiences with the 5.56 flavors I'm ok with a little extra weight. I plan on using it for long range precision shooting. Hopefully they can do that job pretty well. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:59:10 PM EDT
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I just realized I should probably be stocking up on .308 ammo now. Anyone know of some really good stuff at a decent price?[/quote] I like your sense of humor  |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:59:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2010 10:59:52 PM EDT
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I just realized I should probably be stocking up on .308 ammo now. Anyone know of some really good stuff at a decent price?[/quote] I like your sense of humor I said decent price, not good price |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:00:28 PM EDT
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I put 250 rounds (PMC Brass) through a SCAR, ACR, as well as an FS2000 at 100 yards. 250 through each, I mean. PMag in the ACR, USGI CProducts mag in the SCAR, USGI CProducts mag in the FS2000. Very informal test, but heres what I found: Accuracy (In descending order) ACR, SCAR, FS2000 Reliability: ACR/FS2000 (0 jams), SCAR (1 jam) Ergonomics: FS2000, SCAR, ACR The ACR was the most accurate, but also the heaviest. The SCAR is the lightest, and the best shooter, but also was the only one to malfunction. The FS2000 is the best for pointability, but accuracy suffers at range. No idea how this would translate into .308 versions, but these were my experiences with the 5.56 flavors I'm ok with a little extra weight. I plan on using it for long range precision shooting. Hopefully they can do that job pretty well. Wrong platform for Long Range precision shots unless you get the SR 25. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:02:32 PM EDT
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Those were 5.56mm ACRs. The AR was a .308. ETA: The video title was incorrectly labeled. Bushmaster was showing off their new ACR (5.56mm) and their new .308 AR. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:03:13 PM EDT
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Bushmaster says they are getting back into the .308 game with an ACR, but they might be referring to the .308 AR that is laying next to the ACRs. Both of the ACR's in the video are 5.56 versions, and it doesnt appear they brought any sort of .308 ACR prototype with them I dont doubt there will be one in the future, but who knows when that will be.... |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:22:35 PM EDT
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The .308 "ACR" is the Magpul Massoud, which is still a long way from any kind of production. They haven't announced any kind of deal with anyone for production, nor announced intent to produce it themselves.
ETA: That being said, the stated reason for designing the .308 PMAG was for the Massoud. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:24:09 PM EDT
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Those were 5.56mm ACRs. The AR was a .308. ETA: The video title was incorrectly labeled. Bushmaster was showing off their new ACR (5.56mm) and their new .308 AR. DOH. OP should have watched the video before posting.  His new handle is now Distributor Of FAIL
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:28:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:36:17 PM EDT
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Those were 5.56mm ACRs. The AR was a .308. ETA: The video title was incorrectly labeled. Bushmaster was showing off their new ACR (5.56mm) and their new .308 AR. DOH. OP should have watched the video before posting. His new handle is now Distributor Of FAIL ...because the video is called ...what again? Oh yeah. That's right. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:43:21 PM EDT
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Quoted: SCAR.. or a KAC SR25 EMC SCAR 17 is already out, so is SR25 EMC my .02 Yeah, I don't know if I would necessarily go there comparing the SCAR-H and the .308 ACR/Massoud (Whatever it's gonna be called). The SCAR and ACR/.308 are quite a bit cheaper than the KAC unit. $5000.00 for a battle rifle/.308 SASS type weapon is just steep no matter how you look at it. I'm not trying to downgrade the KAC as I am sure they are damn good shooters; as all SR-25s that I have encountered have been. I will say that these newer arrivals such as the LWRC REPR, LMT SWSS, SCAR, and all the new recent .308 designs are a little more bang for your buck. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:51:01 PM EDT
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SCAR.. or a KAC SR25 EMC SCAR 17 is already out, so is SR25 EMC my .02 Yeah, I don't know if I would necessarily go there comparing the SCAR-H and the .308 ACR/Massoud (Whatever it's gonna be called). The SCAR and ACR/.308 are quite a bit cheaper than the KAC unit. $5000.00 for a battle rifle/.308 SASS type weapon is just steep no matter how you look at it. I'm not trying to downgrade the KAC as I am sure they are damn good shooters; as all SR-25s that I have encountered have been. I will say that these newer arrivals such as the LWRC REPR, LMT SWSS, SCAR, and all the new recent .308 designs are a little more bang for your buck. Not to mention the insane accuracy people are reporting from the OBR. I love my REPR, but if I ever get a DI .308, it's an OBR. |
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Posted: 7/21/2010 11:54:53 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: SCAR.. or a KAC SR25 EMC SCAR 17 is already out, so is SR25 EMC my .02 Yeah, I don't know if I would necessarily go there comparing the SCAR-H and the .308 ACR/Massoud (Whatever it's gonna be called). The SCAR and ACR/.308 are quite a bit cheaper than the KAC unit. $5000.00 for a battle rifle/.308 SASS type weapon is just steep no matter how you look at it. I'm not trying to downgrade the KAC as I am sure they are damn good shooters; as all SR-25s that I have encountered have been. I will say that these newer arrivals such as the LWRC REPR, LMT SWSS, SCAR, and all the new recent .308 designs are a little more bang for your buck. Not to mention the insane accuracy people are reporting from the OBR. I love my REPR, but if I ever get a DI .308, it's an OBR. No kidding, I mean there isn't anything that the KAC unit can guarantee to do that the others can't, they are all great performers. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 12:01:06 AM EDT
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The Massoud has been around for a long time. It's never been moved beyond a prototype just like Magpul's PDR and flip out Glock carbine. Originally Posted By distributor_of_pain: ...because the video is called ...what again? Oh yeah. That's right. So because a web developer screwed up a video name, a .308 ACR is created out of fairy dust and thrown into production? Go check BM's website and industry forum––no mention of a .308 ACR anywhere. ETA: This is the .308 that the BM reps were talking about in the video. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:15:14 AM EDT
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OBR dagnabbit! OBR!
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:18:42 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I put 250 rounds (PMC Brass) through a SCAR, ACR, as well as an FS2000 at 100 yards. 250 through each, I mean. PMag in the ACR, USGI CProducts mag in the SCAR, USGI CProducts mag in the FS2000. Very informal test, but heres what I found: Accuracy (In descending order) ACR, SCAR, FS2000 Reliability: ACR/FS2000 (0 jams), SCAR (1 jam) Ergonomics: FS2000, SCAR, ACR The ACR was the most accurate, but also the heaviest. The SCAR is the lightest, and the best shooter, but also was the only one to malfunction. The FS2000 is the best for pointability, but accuracy suffers at range. No idea how this would translate into .308 versions, but these were my experiences with the 5.56 flavors I'm ok with a little extra weight. I plan on using it for long range precision shooting. Hopefully they can do that job pretty well. 308, couple grand +, maybe you should look up LaRue? |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:47:58 AM EDT
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Which one to get? When will they be out? What the fuck is taking so long?
I like the idea of .308 Pmags, and I've heard the recoil is lighter on the 5.56 Bushmaster ACR vs. the 5.56 FN SCAR. Of course that doesn't mean it will translate to the .308 rifles. They both sound like really good rifles. It may be a hard choice to make. ar10T for the win. 
TXL |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:54:35 AM EDT
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I just realized I should probably be stocking up on .308 ammo now. Anyone know of some really good stuff at a decent price?[/quote] I like your sense of humor I said decent price, not good price Federal Fusions are ~$1 a pop and I easily get sub MOA accuracy with them in my LR-308B (165gr bullets) |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 4:59:45 AM EDT
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got to handle a SCAR 17 with a happy switch a couple weeks ago, it was nice, didn't get to shoot it though
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Posted: 7/22/2010 5:02:19 AM EDT
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My buddy who is over in Afghanistan said he likes the SCAR alot, except that the charging handle moves back and forth with the bolt as you shoot, like an AK.
But he said his CCT was knocking down bad guys at 800 meters with it, fairly easily. So, it's also pretty accurate. He said his units gets their SCARs when they get back from their deployment. ETA: There is no .308 ACR.... |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 5:05:31 AM EDT
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Just got this in my email this morning.......looks interesting.http://www.jprifles.com/1.2.5_LRP07H.php
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Posted: 7/22/2010 6:22:03 AM EDT
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No love for the Keltec RFB?
When I handled one, it was quite nice. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 6:24:17 AM EDT
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I'm waiting for the XCR in .308.
I hear it's just two more weeks.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:25:41 AM EDT
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The Massoud has been around for a long time. It's never been moved beyond a prototype just like Magpul's PDR and flip out Glock carbine. Quoted:
...because the video is called ...what again? Oh yeah. That's right. So because a web developer screwed up a video name, a .308 ACR is created out of fairy dust and thrown into production? Go check BM's website and industry forum––no mention of a .308 ACR anywhere. ETA: This is the .308 that the BM reps were talking about in the video. I think I realized that pretty quickly last night, but thanks anyway 
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:50:19 AM EDT
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POF P308 FTMFW!!
Once I got mine sighted in, I was shooting 3/4" groups all day long. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:53:42 AM EDT
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Bushmaster will want a small fortune for the .308 ACR. For some reason they think it's a precious metal.
I'd stick to a SCAR just on that principle. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 9:54:04 AM EDT
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I'm waiting for the XCR in .308.
I hear it's just two more weeks. I was going to say, if we are talking fantasy rifles you may as well throw that one in the mix. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:03:22 AM EDT
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fkkkk bushmaster...
SCAR LMT or OBR |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:05:22 AM EDT
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What did Hitler have to say about all of this?
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:05:29 AM EDT
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The only problem I have with the SCAR H is the 16" barrel. It needs 2 more inches.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:07:03 AM EDT
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The only problem I have with the SCAR H is the 16" barrel. It needs 2 more inches. 4 more inches. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:19:17 AM EDT
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lmt mws ftw
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:21:00 AM EDT
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DSA FAL, LMT, LRB M14...
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:24:28 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: The only problem I have with the SCAR H is the 16" barrel. It needs 2 more inches. 4 more inches. 18 is optimal for my use. If I need 20" or more, I'd go with a bolt gun. |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:25:29 AM EDT
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Thats hot!  DO WANT!
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:30:53 AM EDT
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The only problem I have with the SCAR H is the 16" barrel. It needs 2 more inches. 4 more inches. thats what she said
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:31:18 AM EDT
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Yep, rather get that or the Kaiser.  |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:32:56 AM EDT
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No love for the Keltec RFB? When I handled one, it was quite nice. I'd like to fondle one. Won't happen in this state, though. 
The design definitely intrigues me, and I'm no fan of bullpups.... |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:34:34 AM EDT
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SR25 EMC or OBR
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:38:17 AM EDT
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Larue OBR dominates them all. Shoots sub MOA all day long.
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:39:47 AM EDT
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SCAR LMT or OBR |
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:39:48 AM EDT
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FAL
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:40:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2010 10:40:20 AM EDT
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I wish .308 wasn't $.75 a round
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