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Posted: 2/3/2010 5:07:06 PM EDT
I've posted this a few times over a few years. Hopefully those of you who haven't seen it enjoy it and those of you who have don't mind being reminded of it or reading it again.

The Harry Beckwith Incident

High Volume Shootout: The Harry Beckwith Incident
Situation: A gun dealer faces robbers, again. Tonight the odds are seven to one against him.

Lesson: When the wolf pack has you, an armed citizen needs high capacity defensive weapons.

Harry Beckwith's Guns in Alachua County, Florida, is probably my favorite gunshop. It isn't just that smell of gun oil, cigar smoke, and old, worn leather that reminds me of the gun shops of my youth. It isn't just the fabulous Luger collection that resides there, nor the excellent buys, especially on collectibles. Harry's place has a karmic touch of the armed citizen about it that you don't find in the atmosphere of your average firearms emporium.

The revolver always visible at Harry's belt is nothing new for the gunshop habitude. Sometimes he wears a modest Charter Arms .44 Bulldog, and sometimes a Smith & Wesson Model 60 .38 Special with the fabulous Tiffany silver grips that you normally only see in the coffee table gun books.

No, what's different about Harry's is that as soon as you step out of your car in the spacious parking lot, you notice the bullet holes in the concrete outer walls of the building. Inside you see more holes in the walls.

There's a photo of a rifle champion next to his bullseye target and there's a hole in the bullseye - a REAL hole, which also pierces glass and backing.

"I like to tell folks that I put that one there intentionally," says Harry with a puckish grin. At 68, Harry admits that his recollection is a bit cloudy, but he figures that in his 35 years in the retail gun business he has experienced right at 35 robberies and burglaries. He proudly notes that in all those rip-offs and heist attempts, only two firearms were not recovered.

He also remembers the only three times when the thieves were unfortunate enough to face him. Each time, it evolved into a gun battle. Each time, he shot them and they didn't get to shoot him.

The first was a pure pistol fight. Harry drew and shot the robber, who lost all interest in carrying on the fight. This saved his life; when the wounded gunman surrendered, Harry Beckwith, a moral man, didn't shoot him again.

In the second shootout, the gun dealer interrupted a felon about to drive off with guns he'd heisted from the store. Though not a Class III weapons dealer, Beckwith was federally licensed to possess such arms for his own use. When the thug raised a .45 auto pistol at Harry, Beckwith trumped his ace with a burst of full automatic fire from a Smith & Wesson Model 76 9mm submachine gun. Struck in the forehead, the gunman dropped his pistol and screamed, "I'm hit!"

"Get out of the car," Beckwith roared back. The man did, and realizing he was still alive despite a gunshot wound in the forehead, he ran. Once more, Beckwith held fire.

The man was captured later and treated for an ugly but minor head injury from a flattened- out 9mm hollowpoint round that had lost most of it's energy piercing the safety glass of the windshield.

That incident took place in 1976, the Bicentennial of our nation's independence. A Class III weapons owner had delivered a splendidly appropriate demonstration of the independence our nation was celebrating. In the "the spirit of "76," he stopped a violent criminal with a Model 76.

But neither of these had prepared Harry Beckwith, then 63, old enough to collect Social Security and qualify as a Senior Citizen, for the incident that left his place of business bearing the distinctive scars you can see there to this day.

The night of November 12, 1990, promised to be a quiet one. The regular bowling pin shoot had finished up less than an hour ago. The gunshop was securely locked up, and so was the separate indoor shooting range building located behind it.

Harry Beckwith was at home with his wife in their beautiful hacienda, separated from the business structures by about 100 yards of beach sand and trees. A picturesque setting that would make the quintessential Florida postcard.

Harry was relaxed and watching TV. It was 9:50 p.m. Suddenly, two discordant sounds pierced the night. One was the distinctive crash of a heavy vehicle being driven through the steel-reinforced glass door in the concrete entryway of the gunshop. The other was the yelping of the burglar alarm.

Beck with moved instantly. He knew his rural location was remote; even though the police would be rolling immediately, he wasn't sure they could get there in time.

He moved smoothly and certainly, with the economy of motion that comes with age and with planning. He knew his wife would get on the phone and put a gun in her own hand, in a safe place. That left his mind free to cope with the problem of dealing with the marauders.

He reached for the weapons he had laid out for just such a contingency.

First was a Charter Arms Bulldog revolver in an old Bucheimer crossdraw paddle holster. It slipped easily into place in front of his left hip. It was loaded with five rounds of his favorite .44 Special ammunition, Winchester Silvertip hollowpoint.

Next came the Model 76 submachine gun. One magazine was in place, the bolt properly closed, "condition three." More magazines were rubber-banded to the extended stock. Beckwith had found this to be a faster way to access them than to attach a pouch in the same place. He slung the licensed submachine gun over his right shoulder.

He picked up an AR-15, a gun he has always described as a "Colt Sporting Rifle." It contained one magazine downloaded to only 15 rounds. Another such magazine was banded to its plastic stock as well.

With the other hand, he scooped up a Remington Model 1100 12 gauge semiautomatic shotgun, already fully loaded.

Figuring he was ready for anything, Harry Beckwith quietly stepped out into the shadows, moving away from the house in the direction of the shop, some 100 paces distant.

He could see that two vehicles were there, both '88 Oldsmobiles, one blue and one white. Numerous adult male figures were scurrying in and out of the shop, bearing armloads of guns to the cars through the door they'd crashed. He couldn't make out color or age, only that they were grown men, and that they were maybe seven of them.

At a point between the shop and the house, he carefully laid the shotgun down out of sight. It would be a fallback weapon if he had to retreat in that direction. He took the AR-15 in both hands, ready, and moved forward again.

But there was a full moon out, and the same moonlight that had allowed him to observe the criminals allowed them to see him. Beckwith knew then he'd been "made".

"I should've been more in the shadows," Beckwith would tell me years later. "He gunned the car straight at me. I'm too old to run. I fired off my shoulder at him and the vehicle."

When the butt of the rifle hit the shoulder pocket, Beckwith opened fire, manipulating the trigger as fast as he could. Suddenly, the AR was not responding; he had run dry.

The vehicle was still coming at him, rapidly closing the 50 yards distance.

A skilled man can reload an AR-15 almost as quickly as a Colt .45 auto, and Harry Beckwith is skilled at arms. As his right index finger punched the mag release, his left hand broke the spare magazine free of the rubber band and slammed it home with a practiced motion, his left thumb almost simultaneously pressing the bolt drop paddle on the left side of the frame.

He resumed fire, as fast as he could work the gun.

The high-pitched crack of the AR-15 could not drown out the dull chong sound of the .223 ball rounds punching through the auto body, nor the distinctive sound of heavy glass breaking. The vehicle swerved off course, and Harry ran dry again.

As he dropped the now useless rifle, the blue Oldsmobile veered away from him, cutting to its left. It threw a giant rooster-tail of dust as the driver accelerated away from the old man he had tried seconds before to crush to death. Beckwith saw the car disappear onto Route 441.

Beckwith turned his attention back toward the shop. Five more of the burglars were there, most holding guns, pistols and longer weapons.

Silhouetted in the moonlight, too old to run, still facing five-to-one odds against men with all kinds of guns capable of easily killing him from 50 yards away and who could easily have loaded up with some of the thousands of rounds they'd had access to for some time now, Beckwith knew he was still in deadly danger.

He swung up the Smith & Wesson submachine gun, racked the open bolt back and cut loose on full automatic.

"I fired high, over their heads, to keep them down," he would explain later. "I used short bursts."

He saw them duck. He knew it had bought him a moment. But his near-death experience with the blue Oldsmobile bearing down on him was fresh in his mind. If they crawled up the covered side of the car, they could do the same with the white Olds.

And if two magazines of .223 hadn't disabled the other identical vehicle, what could he hope to do with 9mm fire? He realized that the time to disable the felons' second car was now.

He swept it from one end to the other, reloaded, and continued. Every window in the Oldsmobile disintegrated as the copper jacketed bullets tore through. Beckwith had stagger- loaded the magazines with hardball and Remington 115 gr. jacketed hollowpoints. The tires deflated with an audible hiss.

Beckwith saw the surviving perps moving away from the vehicle. Now the big danger was being shot instead of being run down. A second empty S&W magazine hit the ground, and Beckwith opened another burst of diversionary fire with a third stick.

The perpetrators had enough. He saw them run around the corner of the building. He took a cover position and waited.

The first police car pulled into the scene approximately one minute later. To Beckwith, it seemed as if he waited an hour.

However, reconstruction of the incident would show that it had been only three minutes from when the alarm sounded to when the first responding Alachua County deputy made it into the gunshop. The incident itself had lasted less than two minutes.

During that time, Harry Beckwith had fired 105 shots.

By 2 a.m. all surviving perpetrators had been arrested and were in custody. Six were at the jail and one at morgue. Roger Patterson, age 18, was found dead in the wreck of the shot up Oldsmobile. He'd gotten across the line into Marion County with one tire shot away, driving 13 miles before he lost control and crashed. Cause of death was a .223 rifle wound through the chest.

The second man in the blue car was captured near the scene.

Both cars had been hot-wired and stolen. Some 20 stolen firearms were found in each car. The white Olds had been so badly shot up it had to be towed from the scene.

Patterson was the only one hit. This was because he was the only one Beckwith fired at. Most of his shots had been directed at keeping the other men's heads down and dissuading them, and at disabling their second vehicle, goals he achieved with spectacular success.

Beckwith told me later, "I could have killed all five of them, at the end, when they were running away and exposed to me. But I was no longer in danger from them, so chose not to shoot them."

Beckwith had high praise for the professionalism of the Alachua County Sheriff's Deputies in general, and particularly for those who responded that night - with one possible exception.

There is still anger in his voice when he relates, "One of them wanted to read me my rights!" However, the anger fades when he continues, " And then a sergeant said to the guy, "He's the victim, for Christ's sake!''

He is still bitter about having to speak before the grand jury. Most Florida jurisdictions bring justifiable homicides before a grand jury as a matter of course, but being in there alone without legal counsel still has a "star chamber" feel to it that leaves you with no warm fuzziness about the experience at all.

As any high school civics student knows, the function of a grand jury is to determine if you've committed a crime. That's a bitter pill to swallow when someone just ripped you off and tried to run you down like a possum in the road. Harry Beckwith still bitterly refers to his cross-examination before the grand jury as an "inquisition."

However, the system generally works, and Shakespeare was right when he said, "The truth will out." The grand jury returned a verdict of no true bill, in effect, designating the incident a justifiable use of lethal force.

What leaves Harry Beckwith most unhappy today is that these perpetrators, initially charged with felony murder, were allowed to plead down to attempted burglary. They turned out to range in age from 16 to 21.

Harry Beckwith fired two magazines of 15 rounds each from the Colt .223 rifle, and two full mags and part of a third from the S & W submachine gun. Only one bullet caused death.

The great majority of his gunfire fell into the "warning shot" category - suppressive fire if you will. We can argue at length about the concept of the warning shot, but the fact remains that in this case, it fulfilled its intended purpose.

It was not lost on the grand jury that exculpated Harry Beckwith that he could have killed all seven perpetrators, and chose not to. It was likewise to his benefit that twice before in his life, he had shown mercy and not killed men he'd shot when they gave up the fight after he wounded them.

Every case I've seen of a shooting with a lawfully owned Class III weapon has gone to a Grand Jury. Some of those grand juries have indicted.

However, every time it was provably self-defense, the subsequent Petit jury has also acquitted the shooter. Still, such trials are extremely expensive for the defendant.

(Interestingly, Florida is one of only two states, the other being Washington state, where an accused citizen found "not guilty" at trial can be reimbursed legal fees and costs by the local government.)

A good general rule for avoiding trial in a justifiable shooting would be, "Semi-auto yes, full-auto no."

In the November, 1990, incident, Beckwith fired more rounds than any armed citizen has probably fired in legitimate self-defense since the Indian Wars. I'm glad he got out of it ok.

Beckwith's domination and unscathed survival of this incident is owed in large part to the fact that he was allowed to lawfully possess high cartridge capacity, rapid-fire weapons for self-defense, the sort of "assault weapons" our current Administration would forbid other Americans to possess.

When Ted Gogol of the Law Enforcement Alliance of America was putting together a group of citizens who had used such firearms to protect their own lives and those of other innocent people, I put him in touch with Harry Beckwith, who would have gone to testify before Congress but for the fact that his wife was ill and he couldn't leave her.

But Harry Beckwith didn't need to testify in Congress to show that he's the kind of tough American who can stand up for his rights, temper justice with mercy, and take care of himself, even against seven-to-one odds if someone is trying to kill him.

As long as he is allowed to own and use the kind of weapons that give him parity against the sort of brutal criminal that runs in packs, and tries to run down and kill senior citizens who would dare to interfere with their lawless depredations.

The Ayoob Files
American Handgunner
September/October 1995
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 5:28:39 PM EDT
Read it all. Great post and good shoot Mr. Beckwith.

My only question is why he downloaded to 15 rounds in an AR magazine. That's not too bad if they were 20's but if they were 30's that's another whole 2 mags to what he used.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 5:35:36 PM EDT
That dude has lived the dream. Owns a gun store, class III weapons, and apparently he's owned a bunch of criminals.

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Link Posted: 2/3/2010 5:48:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2010 5:52:03 PM EDT by M4Real]
I was good friends with Harry. He was a crazy old bastard. He treated me right even though I was just a young college punk when we met.

RIP Harry.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:02:47 PM EDT
Nobody needs high capacity magazines...


... do they?
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:03:31 PM EDT
I have that bookmarked.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:04:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2010 6:05:26 PM EDT by A_Free_Man]
Originally Posted By TylerM_8:
Read it all. Great post and good shoot Mr. Beckwith.

My only question is why he downloaded to 15 rounds in an AR magazine. That's not too bad if they were 20's but if they were 30's that's another whole 2 mags to what he used.



Yes, I caught that, too. His 1100 was "fully loaded", but he downloads the AR mags?

And why didn't he carry 30 rounders? Did he believe the myth that the 20's are "more reliable"?

No matter, he won.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:09:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TylerM_8:
Read it all. Great post and good shoot Mr. Beckwith.

My only question is why he downloaded to 15 rounds in an AR magazine. That's not too bad if they were 20's but if they were 30's that's another whole 2 mags to what he used.


I'm guessing it was a Colt SP1, and he had factory 20 round mags for it.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:11:01 PM EDT
HELL YEAH HARRY!

Thanks OP, that is the first I've heard of Harry Beckwith and this incident. I'll be emailing the link to quite a few people tomorrow morning.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:17:04 PM EDT
"I fired high, over their heads, to keep them down," he would explain later.


That is why he needed lots of hi cap magazines.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:17:18 PM EDT
I knew this was about Harry Beckwith when I read the title.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:19:55 PM EDT

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:21:04 PM EDT
Love that story.

Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:21:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By A_Free_Man:
Nobody needs high capacity magazines...


... do they?


According to the author of the article, full-auto is a bad idea for self defense because it might get you indicted by a GJ... even though by Beckwith's own account, full-auto seems to be what turned the tide in his favor during the actual gun battle.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:23:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Nexus6:
Originally Posted By TylerM_8:
Read it all. Great post and good shoot Mr. Beckwith.

My only question is why he downloaded to 15 rounds in an AR magazine. That's not too bad if they were 20's but if they were 30's that's another whole 2 mags to what he used.


I'm guessing it was a Colt SP1, and he had factory 20 round mags for it.
yep back i the day colts were pretty much ot

yeah there were SGWs and some other things but mostly colts

and civi colts came with 20s

outside of the military 30s were actually kinda rare back in the day

Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:24:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:29:13 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


Hey I can use a 38 snuby to get the job done, but self defense is not about sportmanship. If I am in a gunfight I want to dominate it. I also believe that marksmanship is important, but give me every advantage I can get.

Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:29:15 PM EDT
this story always reminded me of this scene
I could only find it in german LOL
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:31:57 PM EDT
That story never gets old.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:39:33 PM EDT
How bout the guy who used to work for HK who opened up on the scumbag using a AC556?
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:41:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


Wait a second... so you would honestly prefer a bolt, lever, or pump gun to a high capacity semi or full auto rifle when confronted with 8 or 10 armed men?
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:41:26 PM EDT
And the hive wonders why you don't shoot people in the back when they're running away.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:49:52 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


Wait a second... so you would honestly prefer a bolt, lever, or pump gun to a high capacity semi or full auto rifle when confronted with 8 or 10 armed men?


You can piece together who the "Walter Mitty" really is.

Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:50:38 PM EDT
good read
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:51:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By VLODPG:
How bout the guy who used to work for HK who opened up on the scumbag using a AC556?


The Gary Fadden Incident. AKA, "Fuck you and your high powered rifle!"

Link Posted: 2/3/2010 6:52:03 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


You could have just typed "Hi, I'm a troll" it would have been faster and got the same point across. Coont.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:11:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:34:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Chuck25:
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


Hey I can use a 38 snuby to get the job done, but self defense is not about sportmanship. If I am in a gunfight I want to dominate it. I also believe that marksmanship is important, but give me every advantage I can get.



Also, you don't carry a larger mag to shoot more, you do it so you have to manipulate the weapon less.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:35:50 PM EDT
Waco doesn't count?
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:38:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By blackhawk35440:
Waco doesn't count?




Also, what about the battle of athens?
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:43:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.

Spoken like somebody who has never been shot at.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:43:53 PM EDT
I actually made a trip over to his old store, just for the sake of seeing the layout, and seeing the bullet holes.

And there's quite a few bullet holes, both inside and outside the building. Behind the rifles on the walls, in the sides of the display cases, on the walls out front...

The entire event had to have taken place at fairly short ranges. Had he wanted to, he could've easily gotten every one of them considering his experience and armament. Harry was clearly a levelheaded and honorable man. May his business continue to do well with its new owners, and stand as a legacy to the man.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:45:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


Booze starting to kick in a bit?
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:50:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By turdferguson:
Originally Posted By Chuck25:
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


Hey I can use a 38 snuby to get the job done, but self defense is not about sportmanship. If I am in a gunfight I want to dominate it. I also believe that marksmanship is important, but give me every advantage I can get.



Also, you don't carry a larger mag to shoot more, you do it so you have to manipulate the weapon less.

True, reloads take time that you could be shooting, and make you vulnerable.

I'll take a higher cap mag any day of the week. Nothing a 15 rounder can do that a 30 can't do twice as long.



Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:51:51 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


And yet you choose to be member here on AR15.com.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:54:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


I'm Chuck Connors, and I endorse this ad.

Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:57:24 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.




Got lost on your way to the "Cowboy Action" forum?
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:57:41 PM EDT
Good read.

The kids are probably back out robbing, stealing, and possibly killing.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 7:59:30 PM EDT
Wow. Good read though. Seems like he always had that plan, and probably rehearsed it a few times (leaving the shotgun on the ground to be able to come back to it...). Thanks for posting it.
Link Posted: 2/3/2010 8:39:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By IAMLEGEND:
Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:

Shoot to kill, use marksmanship, a .30-30 would have got the job done.

But of course the Walter Mitty wannabes here just got to prove that their tacticool guns are necessary tools rather than just range toys.


Wait a second... so you would honestly prefer a bolt, lever, or pump gun to a high capacity semi or full auto rifle when confronted with 8 or 10 armed men?


You can piece together who the "Walter Mitty" really is.



I'm dense...

Such situations are probably never going to happen to 99.999% of us. But... did we not just read a story with that exact scenario?
Link Posted: 2/4/2010 4:48:21 PM EDT
Good read OP, thanks. WTG Harry, you is da man.
Link Posted: 2/4/2010 7:40:06 PM EDT
why the hell 15 rounds in a mag? I would rather have a full mag and shoot more when I needed to instead of reloading more. or having to toss the better rifle and ballistics for a less useful smg, full auto or not. But I guess he pulled it off

I wonder if that story gives a potentially dangerous message implying warning shots are always a good idea or the best way to operate... Reading other shotouts often show dirtbags that are not afraid of a gun or being shot at. So using up 2 of your 3 mags on warning shots seems a little dangerus. In that case I would have stayed in my house and let them deal with the cops if I didnt have the mindset to shoot to kill
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 4:03:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 4:23:58 PM EDT
What leaves Harry Beckwith most unhappy today is that these perpetrators, initially charged with felony murder, were allowed to plead down to attempted burglary. They turned out to range in age from 16 to 21.


I hope the prosecutor got fired at the next election.
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 4:30:16 PM EDT
We tend to take for granted the availability of good quality magazines. They were not always available, in fact for a good while they did not exist. It used to be standard practice to keep twenty round magazines downloaded to 15-16 rounds to ensure they would function. 30 rounds magazines were similarly downloaded to 25-28 rounds. These days we have many choices for good quality magazines so we don't have to do that shit.

I have one old 20 round magazine with a black follower (since relegated to tertiary range use) that I kept similarly downloaded when I had it available for defensive purposes. Nowadays all my defensive magazines are Pmags and I am damn glad to have them, because I have used crappy magazines before when they were all I could get my hands on.
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 5:09:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By blackhawk35440:
Waco doesn't count?


Waco counts, but the civilians didn't fire any shots during either of the assaults. If you watch the video, it's pretty fucking obvious that the BATF shitheads shot each other.
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 5:11:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:
"I fired high, over their heads, to keep them down," he would explain later.


That is why he needed lots of hi cap magazines.


He's also lucky he didn't kill someone two or three miles away. Anyone else remember that shooting around Christmas or New Year's, where the four-year-old child sitting in church got shot in the head by some idiot doing "happy fire"?
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 5:28:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Raingod:
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:
"I fired high, over their heads, to keep them down," he would explain later.


That is why he needed lots of hi cap magazines.


He's also lucky he didn't kill someone two or three miles away. Anyone else remember that shooting around Christmas or New Year's, where the four-year-old child sitting in church got shot in the head by some idiot doing "happy fire"?


Not really a concern in that area, especially when the incident took place. Lots of trees to stop rounds and back then no one living nearby. Even today that gunshop is out in the boonies.
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 5:35:12 PM EDT
So,the lesson is: it is better to re-enact an A-Team episode than to aim at your attackers?
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 5:43:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Raingod:
Originally Posted By Sixguns4Fighting:
"I fired high, over their heads, to keep them down," he would explain later.


That is why he needed lots of hi cap magazines.


He's also lucky he didn't kill someone two or three miles away. Anyone else remember that shooting around Christmas or New Year's, where the four-year-old child sitting in church got shot in the head by some idiot doing "happy fire"?


You ever been to harrys store? No! Thats what I figured... Nothing around him to hit but fucking trees!
Link Posted: 2/5/2010 5:44:16 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TylerM_8:
Read it all. Great post and good shoot Mr. Beckwith.

My only question is why he downloaded to 15 rounds in an AR magazine. That's not too bad if they were 20's but if they were 30's that's another whole 2 mags to what he used.


They were 20's...........
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