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Posted: 3/22/2006 9:40:08 PM EDT

cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20060322/1701580768.htm

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11623311/
"Her murder was something out of Silence of the Lambs, but much worse if possible. Imette St. Guillen was a 24-year-old John Jay College graduate student in the school's Criminal Justice program. She would have graduated in two months and then sought a career identifying criminals by studying the crime scenes they left behind. "

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:41:51 PM EDT
"cut his f""king head off!"
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 9:47:10 PM EDT
Just think if he killed her in Italy, no death penalty.

At least NY, USA they can seek it.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:05:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
Just think if he killed her in Italy, no death penalty.

At least NY, USA they can seek it.



Uh, I was born in Washington DC. I am only taking some courses here in Rome.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:10:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/22/2006 10:11:11 PM EDT by MST2]
SOB needs to die.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:14:22 PM EDT
From the article:


A manager at the bar told police that Littlejohn escorted her out after she stayed past the 4 a.m. closing time.


Lesson: Putting yourself into stupid situations, without your faculties at their sharpest, is a recipe for trouble. Does she deserve her fate? No, but big city bars are dangerous, and deadly for a pretty drunk girl, alone.

I play music in bars, and have for years and years, and I am amazed at the things people allow themselves to get into for the sake of "fun". I've seen muggings, beatings, rapes all happen when the bars let out, they never ever learn.

Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:20:45 PM EDT
it's just nature in action, I'm not sure why anyone is surprised.

if a lamb wanders away from the flock the wolf WILL KILL IT, humans are no different.


we just THINK we are.
Link Posted: 3/22/2006 10:21:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
From the article:


A manager at the bar told police that Littlejohn escorted her out after she stayed past the 4 a.m. closing time.


Lesson: Putting yourself into stupid situations, without your faculties at their sharpest, is a recipe for trouble. Does she deserve her fate? No, but big city bars are dangerous, and deadly for a pretty drunk girl, alone.

I play music in bars, and have for years and years, and I am amazed at the things people allow themselves to get into for the sake of "fun". I've seen muggings, beatings, rapes all happen when the bars let out, they never ever learn.




I know. As in the Natalee Holloway case.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:22:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:23:42 AM EDT
and just think, even if this guy DOES get sentenced to death, there will be a protracted legal battle, and MAYBE 20 years from now they will finally strap him down and try to kill him in the most painless and humane manner available
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:27:07 AM EDT

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:33:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
From the article:


A manager at the bar told police that Littlejohn escorted her out after she stayed past the 4 a.m. closing time.


Lesson: Putting yourself into stupid situations, without your faculties at their sharpest, is a recipe for trouble. Does she deserve her fate? No, but big city bars are dangerous, and deadly for a pretty drunk girl, alone.

I play music in bars, and have for years and years, and I am amazed at the things people allow themselves to get into for the sake of "fun". I've seen muggings, beatings, rapes all happen when the bars let out, they never ever learn.




Yep. 100% correct, on all points.

But there'll be someone along in a few mnitues to let you know what a totally insensitive prick you are for inimating that people who end up dead often had a hand in putting themselves in the position for that to happen through piss-poor choices and plain naievete.

I hate what happened, and the fucker that did it should die a long, slow, pianful, horrific screaming death. No one deserves such a thing happening to them. Not this girl, not Natalle Holloway, no one.

But actions have consequences, and bad choices often have bad consequences. Stupid is supposed to hurt, and sometimes it's even fatal.

Sad.

SG
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:34:19 AM EDT
Come on guys, it's just sex. Besides, who said she didn't consent to being killed?

You know, he probably had a tough childhood, lets get him some therapy and release him in a few years. It's societies fault.

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:34:26 AM EDT
It is MO that it will eventually fall on people like us to remove this scourge from the Earth. There are many predators that walk among us and the ciminal justice system/gov't just seems unwilling to deal with them in an appropriate manner.

A few years back a town of several thousand in WI had a young girl disappear. They interviewed over 100 known pedophiles in that town and this was almost 15 years ago. That is a measure of the enormity of the problem.

Yeah, I am afraid there are going to be times when we simply have to man up and do what is required.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:53:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
From the article:


A manager at the bar told police that Littlejohn escorted her out after she stayed past the 4 a.m. closing time.


Lesson: Putting yourself into stupid situations, without your faculties at their sharpest, is a recipe for trouble. Does she deserve her fate? No, but big city bars are dangerous, and deadly for a pretty drunk girl, alone.

I play music in bars, and have for years and years, and I am amazed at the things people allow themselves to get into for the sake of "fun". I've seen muggings, beatings, rapes all happen when the bars let out, they never ever learn.




Well said, Swingset.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 8:53:55 AM EDT
I admit that it sometimes bothers me how unwilling the American female is to participate in her own defense, but you must be out of your minds trying to pin this on her choices. Believe it or not, most civilized people are simply not expecting to be raped and murdered by some subhuman thug just because they get drunk at the bar. Stupid? Maybe, but we live in a society where we usually have reason to fear the police than criminals.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:03:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
From the article:


A manager at the bar told police that Littlejohn escorted her out after she stayed past the 4 a.m. closing time.


Lesson: Putting yourself into stupid situations, without your faculties at their sharpest, is a recipe for trouble. Does she deserve her fate? No, but big city bars are dangerous, and deadly for a pretty drunk girl, alone.

I play music in bars, and have for years and years, and I am amazed at the things people allow themselves to get into for the sake of "fun". I've seen muggings, beatings, rapes all happen when the bars let out, they never ever learn.




When you're right, you're right.

Unfortunately, you're right.

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:11:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CrashAxis:
I admit that it sometimes bothers me how unwilling the American female is to participate in her own defense, but you must be out of your minds trying to pin this on her choices. Believe it or not, most civilized people are simply not expecting to be raped and murdered by some subhuman thug just because they get drunk at the bar. Stupid? Maybe, but we live in a society where we usually have reason to fear the police than criminals.



Nobody is blaming the victim.
I think women should be safe to walk naked down the street. But they are not. We do not live in some sort of utopian fantasy world, we live in the real one and it is up to each of us to be watchful for our own safety and that of our families. It has always been so.

The propensity of women in our society to live the "Sex in the City" lifestyle and deny there are people out there, mostly all men, who will rape them, beat them, torture them and murder them is ridiculous. To wander around alone at night, or even during the day in some places and times, is foolish and puts you at risk. Even occassionally for men, but far moreso for women.

Sad fact that there are, and have always been, abberant personalities looking for easy prey.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:13:38 AM EDT
a partial list of predators
1990 Pamela Smart
1996 Mary Kay Letourneau
1998 Denise McBryde
1998 Julie Feil
2000 Judith Christensen (attempt turned around by the student to blackmailed As}
2001 Beth Friedman
2001 Amber Williams
2003 Adrianne Hockett
2003 Kelly Lynn Dalecki
2004 Nicole Pomerleau
2004 Sheryl Jean Graham (PTA President)
2004 Debra LaFave
2004 Carol Flannigan
2004 Lisa Suitter
2004 Amber Jennings
2004 Melissa Michelle Deel
2005 Sarah Suzanne Bench-Salorio
2005 Rebecca Boicelli
2005 Katherine Tew
2005 Toni Lynn Woods
2005 Janay Jill Willson
2005 LaDonna Rangel
2005 Sylvia Johnson (not a teacher - "Cool Mom")
2005 Melissa Daw Green
2005 Kimberly Merson
2005 Margaret De Barraicua
2005 Susanne Eble
2005 Kathy Denise White
2005 Morgan Lee Brown (camp counselor)
2005 Donna Carr Galloway
2005 Angela Stellwag
2005 Pamela Turner
2005 Rachelle Vantucci
2005 Tammy Lee Huggins
2005 Bethany Sherill
2005 Lakina Stutts (school bus driver)
2005 Tracie Mokry
2005 Denise Bongers (not a teacher)
2005 Stephanie Bissell(not a teacher)
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:15:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CrashAxis:
I admit that it sometimes bothers me how unwilling the American female is to participate in her own defense, but you must be out of your minds trying to pin this on her choices. Believe it or not, most civilized people are simply not expecting to be raped and murdered by some subhuman thug just because they get drunk at the bar. Stupid? Maybe, but we live in a society where we usually have reason to fear the police than criminals.



This thinking is PRECISELY the reason animals succeed in taking their prey.

When I go "out" I go out with friends/family. I don't EVER go out alone and drink. Why? Because all you have to do is look on the news to know that women should never place themselves in these situations. When I was younger, The Preppy Murder Case was the head's up for my generation of females.
Today it's this girl and the Holloway girl.
Very sad. I always left the party with the girlfriends I went with: and they did the same. Nobody stayed behind...no matter HOW cute and charming he was. Give him your phone number, and if he's all that, he'll call, meet your parents, and take you to dinner. That's how I was raised.
Not saying this girl deserved this. She did NOT. But dammit, females have GOT to learn that they ARE the weaker sex and are hunted and must NEVER think "He's so nice. He'll never hurt me!" about someone they've just met. They should always be ready to fight.



Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:16:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By CrashAxis:
I admit that it sometimes bothers me how unwilling the American female is to participate in her own defense, but you must be out of your minds trying to pin this on her choices. Believe it or not, most civilized people are simply not expecting to be raped and murdered by some subhuman thug just because they get drunk at the bar. Stupid? Maybe, but we live in a society where we usually have reason to fear the police than criminals.



Nobody is blaming the victim.
I think women should be safe to walk naked down the street. But they are not. We do not live in some sort of utopian fantasy world, we live in the real one and it is up to each of us to be watchful for our own safety and that of our families. It has always been so.

The propensity of women in our society to live the "Sex in the City" lifestyle and deny there are people out there, mostly all men, who will rape them, beat them, torture them and murder them is ridiculous. To wander around alone at night, or even during the day in some places and times, is foolish and puts you at risk. Even occassionally for men, but far moreso for women.

Sad fact that there are, and have always been, abberant personalities looking for easy prey.



Indeed. Just as in the case of the rape of the Central Park jogger. Should a woman be able to jog in Central Park whenever the hell she feels like it? Of course. But that simply is not reality, and it probably never will be.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:17:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By swingset:
From the article:


A manager at the bar told police that Littlejohn escorted her out after she stayed past the 4 a.m. closing time.


Lesson: Putting yourself into stupid situations, without your faculties at their sharpest, is a recipe for trouble. Does she deserve her fate? No, but big city bars are dangerous, and deadly for a pretty drunk girl, alone.

I play music in bars, and have for years and years, and I am amazed at the things people allow themselves to get into for the sake of "fun". I've seen muggings, beatings, rapes all happen when the bars let out, they never ever learn.




When you're right, you're right.

Unfortunately, you're right.




no reason to be sad. that's the way it is. you can't do stupid things and expect to live.
why should you feel sorry for anyone who walks into a lions den and teases the lions while getting drunk?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:18:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By joseph_samuel:
<snipped>



May wanna post this in the Deb Lafave thread. Maybe if one of them is dog ugly the men saying it was OK for her to sleep with that boy may realize the error of their thinking.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 9:19:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Belloc:
Indeed. Just as in the case of the rape of the Central Park jogger. Should a woman be able to jog in Central Park whenever the hell she feels like it? Of course. But that simply is not reality, and it probably never will be.



it was for a very few years. folks were safe.
now they are not anymore. look back a couple hundred years and ask anyone if it would be a good idea for them to walk alone. indians, animals and highway men would be fighting each other to get a piece of you. the good news is in this country you can still defend yourself.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:08:16 AM EDT
Does New York have capital punishment?
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:17:05 AM EDT
Another one out on parole, what a shocker.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:19:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CrashAxis:
I admit that it sometimes bothers me how unwilling the American female is to participate in her own defense, but you must be out of your minds trying to pin this on her choices. Believe it or not, most civilized people are simply not expecting to be raped and murdered by some subhuman thug just because they get drunk at the bar. Stupid? Maybe, but we live in a society where we usually have reason to fear the police than criminals.




People are not "putting this on her" from a perspective of ultimate responsibility, but simply pointing out that the choices we make will usually weigh upon the outcome. A better way of putting it is to examien the laws of morality, the laws of jurisprudence, and the laws of nature.

UNDER THE LAWS OF MORALITY: Young women ought it seems to me to be free to do what they want and where they want. They should not have to fear monsters.

UNDER THE LAWS OF JURIDPRUDENCE: Young women are not responsible for bad things happening to them. The girl who wears a short skirt and stays out late drinking does not in so doing excuse the rapist from his respoinsiblity.

BUT,

UNDER THE LAWS OF NATURE: We all recognize, especially those of us who carry weapons for defensive purposes, that there are monsters out there. And the law of nature beats all the other laws because once you're dead, you're dead. Its perfectly fair, in my view, to point out that better choices might avoid the confrontation with the law of nature. Some things, while not morally wrong or contrary to the laws of jurisprudence are just STUPID. Getting wasted, alone, at a bar, in a big city, and letting a stranger escort you to his bed or your death, is one of them.

As someone smarter than me put it:

Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin; the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentance is death, there is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:20:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
Just think if he killed her in Italy, no death penalty.

At least NY, USA they can seek it.


The surest way to live another 20 years is to be sentenced to death.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:45:06 AM EDT
I have to ask an odd Q:

what's with the tape on the her head?? did he rape her with zip-ties on her hands and tape all over her head?????
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:49:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Napoleon_Tanerite:
and just think, even if this guy DOES get sentenced to death, there will be a protracted legal battle, and MAYBE 20 years from now they will finally strap him down and try to kill him in the most painless and humane manner available



And if he writes a kiddie book about eating all your organic vegetables, the commie hollywood stars will show up and wail loudly for "mercy" for this guy.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:50:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By swingset:
From the article:


A manager at the bar told police that Littlejohn escorted her out after she stayed past the 4 a.m. closing time.


Lesson: Putting yourself into stupid situations, without your faculties at their sharpest, is a recipe for trouble. Does she deserve her fate? No, but big city bars are dangerous, and deadly for a pretty drunk girl, alone.

I play music in bars, and have for years and years, and I am amazed at the things people allow themselves to get into for the sake of "fun". I've seen muggings, beatings, rapes all happen when the bars let out, they never ever learn.




Indeed.

If you do your best not to put yourself in compromising positions, you are less likely to get hurt. Lots of people don't seem to get that, and they end up easy prey for scumsuckers like our bald friend up there.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:52:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By joseph_samuel:
<snipped>



May wanna post this in the Deb Lafave thread. Maybe if one of them is dog ugly the men saying it was OK for her to sleep with that boy may realize the error of their thinking.





Going to town on that ol' double standard, eh???

Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:55:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By joseph_samuel:
<snipped>



May wanna post this in the Deb Lafave thread. Maybe if one of them is dog ugly the men saying it was OK for her to sleep with that boy may realize the error of their thinking.





Going to town on that ol' double standard, eh???




Well, I'm guessing he posted a list of female sex offenders for a reason. Personally, I think it's in the wrong thread. And yes...I have a real problem with her getting off scott free.

She sickens me.
And the fact that I live amongst people who don't think it iswrong sickens me.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:58:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By PlaymoreMinds:

Originally Posted By joseph_samuel:
<snipped>



May wanna post this in the Deb Lafave thread. Maybe if one of them is dog ugly the men saying it was OK for her to sleep with that boy may realize the error of their thinking.





Going to town on that ol' double standard, eh???




Well, I'm guessing he posted a list of female sex offenders for a reason. Personally, I think it's in the wrong thread. And yes...I have a real problem with her getting off scott free.

She sickens me.
And the fact that I live amongst people who don't think it iswrong sickens me.



Very CLEARLY the wrong thread. Unless somehow raping and torturing someone to death is somehow the same thing.
Link Posted: 3/23/2006 10:58:49 AM EDT
Looking for Mr. Goodbar.
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