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Posted: 6/28/2015 1:55:28 AM EDT
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I've had 5 or more classics and have a 68 Fairlane now.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 1:57:39 AM EDT
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Many of you have seen my 74 Javelin a time or two. I'm not sure what's wrong with me. I like AMCs but they can be a handful. Last Monday I killed two birds with one stone, I took the car for a cruise to my buddies place and we did some suppressed shooting at his range. On the ride home I flipped on the A/C and things went a down hill fast. The radio shut off, the gauges went crazy and the car started sputtering. I was able to nurse her home but didn't have time to trouble shoot the problem. The offending car. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/Javelin/IMG_2632c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/Javelin/IMG_2632c.jpg</a> I was able to do a bit of trouble shooting today. The first thing I started looking at was the ignition switch and steering column wiring. I had the ignition rack break last month forcing me to completely disassemble the Saginaw steering column. I thought maybe something there was the problem but no luck. I then moved under the hood making sure all of the grounds and starting solenoid connects were good and they were. Next I pulled the dash and instrument cluster looking for loose wires and checked the A/C switches and found nothing amiss. At this point all that was left was the main fuse block itself. I did not relish having to trouble shoot the damn thing but jumped in anyway. I removed the screws holding it to the firewall and things started going screwy again verifying that it was in the block. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/Fuse%20Block_zpslnxcpa2x.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/Fuse%20Block_zpslnxcpa2x.jpg</a> After a bit of fussing and moving wires I located what I though was the problem and removed the main buss bar from the block. The large red wire comes directly from the starting solenoid and feeds the entire block. The smaller red and black wires feed the ignition switch and the cuircuits that kept going crazy when I was turning the A/C on. Turns out those three smaller wires had been crimped very poorly at the factory. Because of the poor crimps over time the things had been hating up and cooling causing oxidation and very poor contact. This is an aftermarket harness I installed when I did the restoration about 8 years ago. At the time I was on a tight budget and purchased this harness instead of a Painless harness. The adage buy once cry once comes to mind. If I would have spent the money on the Painless harness I doubt I would be screwing around chasing shorts in the block. I was dumb and chose to save $300 buck. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/Main%20Buss_zps8zq7vv7j.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/Main%20Buss_zps8zq7vv7j.jpg</a> As a short term repair I fluxed the shorted areas and soldered the wires directly to the buss bar. The red end wire was really bad so I had to strip some of the insulation and solder it to the flat section of the bar. I'm guessing that there are going to be more poor crimps rearing their heads in the future. In the next year or so I am probably going to bite the bullet and buy a painless harness and have to rewire the whole damn car again. I only have myself to blame  .
<a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/Main%20buss%20repair_zps1sxhbegl.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/Main%20buss%20repair_zps1sxhbegl.jpg</a> soldering under the dash.... so... how many obscenities did you yell while screwing around upside down under the dash? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 1:59:28 AM EDT
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I know what you mean OP. Fortunately I knew the guy who did the work on my Shelby for most all of it's life. The fact that it is an 89 doesn't hurt compared to most classics out there.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:01:32 AM EDT
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I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now
 . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attention
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:04:41 AM EDT
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I've had 5 or more classics and have a 68 Fairlane now. If you really hate yourself buy a Jeep Cherokee. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've had 5 or more classics and have a 68 Fairlane now. If you really hate yourself buy a Jeep Cherokee. I sold this one two years ago to pay some medical bills. I miss it sometimes.
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soldering under the dash.... so... how many obscenities did you yell while screwing around upside down under the dash? Lets just say it was a good thing my wife went to the city this morning. 
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:07:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attentionI'll work on other peoples (for $$$), but for me, I'm perfectly happy to have a nice, trouble-free Miata in the driveway.  |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:09:16 AM EDT
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Why would you want a neutered mid 70s AMC?
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:12:50 AM EDT
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34 here, and my experience has been similar. I'll work on other peoples (for $$$), but for me, I'm perfectly happy to have a nice, trouble-free Miata in the driveway.
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I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attentionI'll work on other peoples (for $$$), but for me, I'm perfectly happy to have a nice, trouble-free Miata in the driveway.
I'm 52 and have been working on old cars since I was 10. I have a definite appreciation for the new stuff. The 20 14 Cherokee and 2014 Wrangler in the driveway are way more reliable.  I also enjoy a spin the the wife's Mustang from time to time. 
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:14:19 AM EDT
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Why would you want a neutered mid 70s AMC? Because it isn't a belly button tri five, Camaro, Chevelle or early Mustang. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:16:31 AM EDT
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I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attentionWait, that can't be, everyone in threads about modern cars make it seem like these old cars are a piece of cake to own, and my modern cars that rarely need any attention are piles of crap
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:44:47 AM EDT
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Because it isn't a belly button tri five, Camaro, Chevelle or early Mustang. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would you want a neutered mid 70s AMC? Because it isn't a belly button tri five, Camaro, Chevelle or early Mustang. I love the way the AMX looks. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 2:51:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would you want a neutered mid 70s AMC?  |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 3:02:00 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2015 3:06:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You are comparing a 1970 Javelin race car with a 1974 Javelin that with the biggest motor offered made 235 HP from the factory? Quote HistoryQuoted: |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 3:20:58 AM EDT
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I've had 5 or more classics and have a 68 Fairlane now. If you really hate yourself buy a Jeep Cherokee. Or anything British. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 5:57:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or anything British. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I've had 5 or more classics and have a 68 Fairlane now. If you really hate yourself buy a Jeep Cherokee. Or anything British. That's taking masochism to the next level. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 6:07:58 AM EDT
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I'm glad I never got into Boats, airplanes, old cars, Harley's, screwing my secretary or 1911s.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 7:03:24 AM EDT
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A couple of years ago after the ex took off I picked up a '81KZ650 that had "some" wiring issues.
Some were pinched Some were burned Some were just plain not connected This spring I picked up a '82 KZ Specter and now I'm battling carb issues |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 7:16:44 AM EDT
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Your javelin is pissed because of wheel selection, she is pissed and embarrassed out in public....the shoes my man...the shoes
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Posted: 6/28/2015 7:23:39 AM EDT
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I'm glad I never got into Boats, airplanes, old cars, Harley's, screwing my secretary or 1911s. You're going to have a long, dull, uninteresting life. Lol. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:09:52 AM EDT
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They are a joy mostly but what a pain in ass most others. 4 years and still not 100 percent on mine
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:16:48 AM EDT
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I'm glad I never got into Boats, airplanes, old cars, Harley's, screwing my secretary or 1911s. You have missed all that is good in life.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:18:04 AM EDT
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We need a thread about the lesser remembered or appreciated classic/muscle cars of the 1960s and early 70s.
Mustang blah blah blah, Camaro blah blah blah...shit's boring. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:26:51 AM EDT
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I'm 52 and have been working on old cars since I was 10. I have a definite appreciation for the new stuff. The 20 14 Cherokee and 2014 Wrangler in the driveway are way more reliable. I also enjoy a spin the the wife's Mustang from time to time.
<a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/Cars/IMG_2856c_zps9afb47f0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/Cars/IMG_2856c_zps9afb47f0.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/Cars/IMG_2853c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/Cars/IMG_2853c.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attentionI'll work on other peoples (for $$$), but for me, I'm perfectly happy to have a nice, trouble-free Miata in the driveway.
I'm 52 and have been working on old cars since I was 10. I have a definite appreciation for the new stuff. The 20 14 Cherokee and 2014 Wrangler in the driveway are way more reliable. I also enjoy a spin the the wife's Mustang from time to time.
<a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/Cars/IMG_2856c_zps9afb47f0.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/Cars/IMG_2856c_zps9afb47f0.jpg</a> <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/Cars/IMG_2853c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/Cars/IMG_2853c.jpg</a> Nice 'Stang. I like old and new, that's why I'm gonna put modern drivetrain and suspension in my 1970 Mustang Sportsroof. It's a plain 302 2V car so putting in a Coyote engine and Tremec won't be ruining a Mach 1 or anything. Cars been sitting since I had kids but my son is turning 16 soon and the wife has a job for the first time since then so I finally have the $$. I like the autocross style cars these days. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:44:20 AM EDT
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I'm glad I never got into Boats, airplanes, old cars, Harley's, screwing my secretary or 1911s. But you did get into web forum moderating. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:46:42 AM EDT
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Wanna buy my 71 Javelin? |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:47:46 AM EDT
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But you did get into web forum moderating. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm glad I never got into Boats, airplanes, old cars, Harley's, screwing my secretary or 1911s. But you did get into web forum moderating. I am not sure what that says . but it means something . |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:52:33 AM EDT
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I love the way the AMX looks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I love the way the AMX looks. I'm hoping to have this one completed by the end of the year. 69 AMX when I first got it. 
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I get it horse power is everything. 
I did the Javelin because I liked the 73 and 74 wide bodies lines and tail lights. It's a 360 2brl car with a slush box. I enjoy driving it and in the end that's all that matters. Thanks for playing trolling in my thread. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 9:54:38 AM EDT
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That $300 saved could have burnt the car to the ground.
Good find. Now replace that shit. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:00:27 AM EDT
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That $300 saved could have burnt the car to the ground. Good find. Now replace that shit. I keep a fire extinguisher in all of my cars. I lost this truck to a fire a few years ago. Ironically I had pulled the extinguisher for the Dodge to put out a fire when I was tuning the engine in the Javelin right after I got the engine back into it. The truck went up in the middle of nowhere. 
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:00:47 AM EDT
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My last* classic was a 47 ford 1 1/2 ton truck. Drum brakes, 6 volt, flat head v8 non syncro trans. Im told im a glutton for punishment lol
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:01:28 AM EDT
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Wait, that can't be, everyone in threads about modern cars make it seem like these old cars are a piece of cake to own, and my modern cars that rarely need any attention are piles of crap Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attentionWait, that can't be, everyone in threads about modern cars make it seem like these old cars are a piece of cake to own, and my modern cars that rarely need any attention are piles of crap LOL Wait till your modern stuff starts having electrical gremlins. All this computer stuff is the shiznit as long as it all works. When it doesn't, good luck finding somebody that can or will fix it.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:07:26 AM EDT
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LOL Wait till your modern stuff starts having electrical gremlins. All this computer stuff is the shiznit as long as it all works. When it doesn't, good luck finding somebody that can or will fix it.
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I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attentionWait, that can't be, everyone in threads about modern cars make it seem like these old cars are a piece of cake to own, and my modern cars that rarely need any attention are piles of crap LOL Wait till your modern stuff starts having electrical gremlins. All this computer stuff is the shiznit as long as it all works. When it doesn't, good luck finding somebody that can or will fix it.
Everyone will fix it... No seriously, just about any mechanic now will fix it. Especially since the car will tell you what is wrong with it! It goes like this: Hook laptop to car... See whats out of range... replace or fix. Done.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:21:18 AM EDT
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I'm hoping to have this one completed by the end of the year. 69 AMX when I first got it. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/AMX/IMG_4022c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/AMX/IMG_4022c.jpg</a> As it sits in the body shop now. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/AMX/IMG_4359c_zps5b7816ea.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/AMX/IMG_4359c_zps5b7816ea.jpg</a> I get it horse power is everything.
I did the Javelin because I liked the 73 and 74 wide bodies lines and tail lights. It's a 360 2brl car with a slush box. I enjoy driving it and in the end that's all that matters. Thanks for playing trolling in my thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love the way the AMX looks. I'm hoping to have this one completed by the end of the year. 69 AMX when I first got it. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/AMX/IMG_4022c.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/AMX/IMG_4022c.jpg</a> As it sits in the body shop now. <a href="http://s1205.photobucket.com/user/DamascusKnifemaker/media/AMX/IMG_4359c_zps5b7816ea.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1205.photobucket.com/albums/bb435/DamascusKnifemaker/AMX/IMG_4359c_zps5b7816ea.jpg</a> Quoted:
I get it horse power is everything.
I did the Javelin because I liked the 73 and 74 wide bodies lines and tail lights. It's a 360 2brl car with a slush box. I enjoy driving it and in the end that's all that matters. Thanks for playing trolling in my thread. It's ''fun'' to own a vehicle that isn't every tenth one you pass. Seems that much of my life has had one ''oddball'' or the other [low production numbers] in the garage. HP isn' everything and you can't drive ''balls to the wall'' 99.9999% of the time anyways. The upside to owning common vehicles are every Tom, Dick and Hassan makes or carries parts for them which is a nice thing and those parts are usually dirt cheap. I loved driving this around, [redid the entire suspension after this pic] Had fun, people loved it, no one got pissed off when I drove it at 20 under what everyone else was driving on the HWY. Horsepower? HAH! Plenty enough torque to do what I wanted though. Simple to work on. Made a bunch of money when I sold it, I still miss it though.  [/img]
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:27:37 AM EDT
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You've got some great looking cars! You are a man of many talents for sure!
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:37:44 AM EDT
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Everyone will fix it... No seriously, just about any mechanic now will fix it. Especially since the car will tell you what is wrong with it! It goes like this: Hook laptop to car... See whats out of range... replace or fix. Done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attentionWait, that can't be, everyone in threads about modern cars make it seem like these old cars are a piece of cake to own, and my modern cars that rarely need any attention are piles of crap LOL Wait till your modern stuff starts having electrical gremlins. All this computer stuff is the shiznit as long as it all works. When it doesn't, good luck finding somebody that can or will fix it.
Everyone will fix it... No seriously, just about any mechanic now will fix it. Especially since the car will tell you what is wrong with it! It goes like this: Hook laptop to car... See whats out of range... replace or fix. Done. LOL |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:44:55 AM EDT
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Because it isn't a belly button tri five, Camaro, Chevelle or early Mustang. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why would you want a neutered mid 70s AMC? Because it isn't a belly button tri five, Camaro, Chevelle or early Mustang. Ah the 3B cars - Billet Belly Button - or Visa Card hot rods. Who are you using for paint work? My '65 Barracuda needs paint. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:45:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm glad I never got into Boats, airplanes, old cars, Harley's, screwing my secretary or 1911s. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:56:26 AM EDT
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I feel your pain.
1980 Triumph Spitfire owner British spec 9.0 CR 1500cc engine (us spec only 7.5 CR), currently yanking out the 4 speed single rail, and putting in a 4 speed J type OD, replaced the 3.83 rear end with a 3.27 rear end out of a GT6, and all the Lucas gremlins that come with any British Leyland product.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 10:57:57 AM EDT
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I feel your pain. 1980 Triumph Spitfire owner British spec 9.0 CR 1500cc engine (us spec only 7.5 CR), currently yanking out the 4 speed single rail, and putting in a 4 speed J type OD, replaced the 3.83 rear end with a 3.27 rear end out of a GT6, and all the Lucas gremlins that come with any British Leyland product. You can get "Magic Smoke" in bottle.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:04:07 AM EDT
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Are you sure that is the original fuse block? In a '74 modelAMC I would expect to see 60's Ford/Chevy/Chrysler cast off parts so Buss tubular fuses.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:07:43 AM EDT
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Are you sure that is the original fuse block? In a '74 modelAMC I would expect to see 60's Ford/Chevy/Chrysler cast off parts so Buss tubular fuses. I don't really remember seeing that fuse type until well into the 80's? I guess you didn't read the whole post.
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:27:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:30:54 AM EDT
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I've had 5 or more classics and have a 68 Fairlane now. If you really hate yourself buy a Jeep Cherokee. Or anything British. That's taking masochism to the next level. I know  , 74 MG Midget owner
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:33:18 AM EDT
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I know your pain.. but love this thing..
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:36:35 AM EDT
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I've had 5 or more classics and have a 68 Fairlane now. If you really hate yourself buy a Jeep Cherokee. Or an early-70's MGB! Ask me how I know! 
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:36:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryNice! Just tell me it doesn't have the 307 boat anchor in it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:37:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:38:55 AM EDT
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Nice car OP. Glad you tracked down the problem.
I'm getting ready to pull the motor/trans in my 62 Plymouth for a rebuild. I love working on mine, even though it gets frustrating at times. |
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Posted: 6/28/2015 11:43:23 AM EDT
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Everyone will fix it... No seriously, just about any mechanic now will fix it. Especially since the car will tell you what is wrong with it! It goes like this: Hook laptop to car... See whats out of range... replace or fix. Done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I love classic cars, and at my ripe old age of 30 I have driven, worked on and owned enough to know that I absolutely hate them now . They're still fun, and I still own one of them. To stay sane owning one, you just have to learn to accept that they require a lot of attentionWait, that can't be, everyone in threads about modern cars make it seem like these old cars are a piece of cake to own, and my modern cars that rarely need any attention are piles of crap LOL Wait till your modern stuff starts having electrical gremlins. All this computer stuff is the shiznit as long as it all works. When it doesn't, good luck finding somebody that can or will fix it.
Everyone will fix it... No seriously, just about any mechanic now will fix it. Especially since the car will tell you what is wrong with it! It goes like this: Hook laptop to car... See whats out of range... replace or fix. Done. Yea ok. Lol |
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