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Posted: 6/15/2007 9:43:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 9:45:01 AM EDT by Max_Mike]
Have these people no shame, 4th graders… wonder which one is HoodyHoo?

Poor used and abuse kids.

It is really scary when you examine the lies these kids have been programed with. So let us do that.

pressherald.mainetoday.com/story.php?id=113600



Pending doom(oh my): Global warming crisis
A group of fourth-graders in Portland creates a list of priorities to stop global warming.

Hallie Repeta, Miranda Richman, Carole Grant, Jacob Austin and Gabrielle Wagabaza are fourth-grade students in Randy Bigelman's class at Portland's East End Community School.

— Our school study of global warming started with lots of
questions. What is global warming? What is happening now?
What might happen in the future? What can each of us do to
help? Why should we care? What will the future look like?

A small group of students at our school has been researching
and studying the effects of global warming. The evidence and
data we collected is so overwhelming that we have decided to
write about this issue.

We want everyone to help curb Global warming. It truly means
that the Earth is getting warmer. The ocean is warming at such
an alarming rate that the continents are in danger. (Hysterical BS)

Such a warming of the ocean is fuel for more severe hurricanes
such as Katrina. Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)

Not just the ocean temperature, but also the overall temperature
on the planet is rising to dangerous levels. (More hysterical BS)

The 10 "hottest" average years on record have occurred within
the last 14 years. We continue to see record carbon dixoide
levels in the atmosphere year after year. Just notice the strange
weather around us this winter and spring and even summer-like
days in March. (OMG... strange weather)

The United States is the leading contributor to the global-
warming crisis, producing one-third of the total greenhouse
gases in the world, more than South America, Africa, Asia and
Australia combined. (the sky is falling... and not true but who cares)

Please think about what people are doing and what could
happen if they do not stop.

Have we ever wondered what life might be like in 50 to 100
years? We might have imagined big robotic cities and flying cars,
but I bet we didn't imagine huge cities and tall skyscrapers
underwater. Well, that's what life will be if we keep burning fossil
fuels without thought. (fossil fuels without which most of these kids would not have survived to 10 years)

Here are some facts that might help people realize the danger
we are facing.

Glaciers are melting at a faster and faster rate and glaciers are a
huge source of the world's drinking water. Greenland and the
Arctic ice shelf are melting faster each year and will disappear in
our lifetime if our fossil fuel usage continues unchecked. That
melting will raise the water level of the world's oceans nearly 40
feet. Basically, Manhattan would be underwater. (absure and false)

Hopefully, people will understand the danger we are facing. Do
Mainers want this to be our future? Although global warming is a
huge pending global disaster, we all have the means to change it
together. (again false)


Because the United States contributes one-third of the carbon
dioxide emissions worldwide,(again false)
here are seven sensible ways to
save our seven beautiful continents:

nChange light bulbs to long lasting fluorescents and save 150
pounds of CO per year in every household.

nDrive less and save 1 pound of CO for every fewer mile. ?

nSave 2,400 pounds of CO by recycling plastics and paper. ?

nPlant a tree -- it breathes over a ton of helpful gases per
lifetime.

nTurn off any electrical items (TV, games, cell phones, lights,
etc.) when not in use to save 1,000 pounds of CO. (most people already do this net saving nill)

nBe informed -- go to www.stopglobalwarming.org or
www.climatecrisis.net. (propaganda)

nStay informed -- Watch Planet Earth (kids) and An Inconvenient
Truth (families). (more propaganda)

Is our future already chosen for us? We are all young students,
ages 9-11, and cannot change the world like adults can. All the
facts we have presented are true, real, and will shape our future
unless decisive action is taken.

We will be in great danger if we don't... (BS)

get this problem in the
minds of all people and curb the unchecked growth of
greenhouse gas emissions.

It is our future our nation is playing with, so please change the
way people are playing. We encourage everyone to take action
and stop global warming.

— Special to the Press HeraldHave we ever
wondered what life might be like in 50 to 100 years?


We ought to shut down public schools if this is what they are teaching kids.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:09:52 AM EDT
Goes without saying that those kids will be lifelong leftist democrats for the rest of their lives. Pretty smart to indoctrinate them that early hm?

CMOS
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:14:03 AM EDT

Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)



that actually is true
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:14:56 AM EDT
Well, that changes everything, I'm convinced.

How about you guys?


Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:16:13 AM EDT
This week we've actually had to wear coats while working.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:20:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)


that actually is true


Yes, and there is nothing unusual about the water in the Gulf being warm.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:20:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
This week we've actually had to wear coats while working.



See kids! More STRANGE weather!

-K
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:22:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 10:24:41 AM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)



that actually is true


No what is implied is not true, that it had anything to do with global warming... just not true. And on top of that Katrina was not a monster storm when it made landfall in LA.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:22:37 AM EDT
good grief


Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:28:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 10:29:24 AM EDT by 3rdpig]
Public schools are the haven of leftist indoctrination and socialist thinking. It's nothing new, I'm 49 and it started when I was in high school, they just started sex education (which in those days had nothing whatsoever to do with sex, but it was a foot in the door) and classes like Minorities Literature, which was a code word for Black Literature. Both classes were required and half the time in Minorities Literature we sat around listening to soul music and discussing it's superiority to any other forms of music. Short of getting thrown out of class, which I darn near did on more than one occasion, there was simply no way to fail either class. You could sleep through both of them and get a passing grade. Oh, and I forgot one, this was Washington state and we also had a "Washington Indian History" class. It was so boring I'd forgotten about it. Another required class that was almost impossible to fail. All the Washington Indians ever did was fish for salmon and smoke wacky tobaky around the camp fire. Global warming is just the new leftist fav. In another 5 years it will be replaced with some other lunatic left wing cause that's equally meaningless.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:29:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dedfella:
good grief


ditto
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:29:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
Goes without saying that those kids will be lifelong leftist democrats for the rest of their lives. Pretty smart to indoctrinate them that early hm?

CMOS


THIS is another reason why homes without a father, whether single mothers or simply absent fathers, are a problem. They end up pussified, which in turn, create males that then do become a father, yet has been ruined from birth, until reality hits them upside the head.

Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:33:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Special-K:

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:
This week we've actually had to wear coats while working.

See kids! More STRANGE weather!

LOL.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:35:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)



that actually is true


No, the word "extremely" describing "warm" is INCORRECT.

In fact, GoM temps were slightly higher LAST YEAR and we didn't have any serious hurricanes...

Yes, you need warm water for a hurricane but that isn't the sole requirement. The atmosphere also has to be correct...we had a low dipping jetstream that killed any low pressure system from forming. Without a low pressure zone, the storms cannot organize (to further drop the pressure and cause circulation).

Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:40:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)



that actually is true


No what is implied is not true, that it had anything to do with global warming... just not true. And on top of that Katrina was not a monster storm when it made landfall in LA.


Right. Oceans are heated from solar radiation, not convection. Oceans are COOLED by convection as water evaporates, it takes significant heat from the water. This is why London has fog...the Gulf stream carries warm water to the upper Atlantic where dry trade winds evaporate the water, cooling the water (and slightly warming the air) and creating humid air.

The idea that global warming will increase hurricane intensity/frequency is ABSURD. Such belief shows complete ignorance of science.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:40:05 AM EDT
I'm living on the same tidal cove that my family moved to 52 years ago; spring and neap tides vary of course, and a storm on a full or new moon can make it high. But it still is a mud flat twice a day at low tide, so where is this sea level increase Al Gore is promising us? With a 4 foot increase I could open a marina!
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:41:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 10:45:55 AM EDT by Alien]
There are some outright lies in that stupid report. Like fourth graders know jack and shit about the complex world around them in the first place.

These kids need to do better research - Nature accounts for about 90-97% of CO2 emissions. According to them, the United States alone creates over 33% though.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 10:43:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 10:44:29 AM EDT by vito113]
A report of Global Warming from over here in England…

Last month the tree huggers were predicting the hottest and dryest summer since recods began…

And what happened?


Stuck In The Flood: Weather Wreaks Havoc
Updated: 19:12, Friday June 15, 2007

Heavy flooding is continuing to cause chaos after parts of Britain were drenched with a month's worth of rain in a single day.

LINK to video…


LINK to video…news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-1270775,.html

Motorist braves the water
Dozens of people have been trapped, homes flooded and cars stranded after torrential downpours saw up to 7cm of rain fall in 24 hours.

In Sutton Coldfield, 42 workers have now been freed after they were stuck inside a factory when the River Tame burst its banks.

Floodwaters were nearly two metres deep in places.

A search is under way for a 17-year-old soldier, who was swept away in Catterick, North Yorkshire.

Three soldiers fell into Risedale Beck on Hipswell Moor, near Catterick Garrison.

Advertisement

Two were rescued, but soldiers, police, mountain rescue teams and an RAF helicopter are involved in the hunt for the third soldier.

In Sheffield, rain storms forced schools to close and a nursing home to be evacuated.

A 14-year-old boy was rescued from a swollen stream in the Chapeltown area of Sheffield.

Further north in York, 2.5cm of rain fell in just six hours.

And in Durham, torrential downpours meant that the first day of the fourth Test between England and the West Indies was a wash out.


A driver gets caught out
The Environment Agency has had more than 40 flood warnings in place for Norfolk, Suffolk, Yorkshire and Cambridgeshire.

Bingley, near Bradford in West Yorkshire, was a particularly wet spot, after being deluged with 7.1cm of rain in 24 hours.

There was disruption to train services in Bradford, Skipton and Barnsley in Yorkshire. The Midlands also saw rail commuters facing disrupted services as lines were blocked.

Heavy rain is expected to continue in Northern Ireland, Wales, north west England, Yorkshire and Humber, and the West and East Midlands until Sunday.


http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-13593331,00.html
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 12:14:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)



that actually is true


No what is implied is not true, that it had anything to do with global warming... just not true. And on top of that Katrina was not a monster storm when it made landfall in LA.


Right. Oceans are heated from solar radiation, not convection. Oceans are COOLED by convection as water evaporates, it takes significant heat from the water. This is why London has fog...the Gulf stream carries warm water to the upper Atlantic where dry trade winds evaporate the water, cooling the water (and slightly warming the air) and creating humid air.

The idea that global warming will increase hurricane intensity/frequency is ABSURD. Such belief shows complete ignorance of science.


I never said that it was caused by global warming, and I never said that I bought into global warming. I simply pointed out that the paragraph I quoted is true. Katrina was a Cat 1 storm when it crossed south Florida. It turned into a cat 5 storm over the GoM. and when it landed was a cat 3 or 4. The article said it was a "monster."

But let's look at that quote as it's written:


"Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it crossed Florida."


this is a true statement


It became a monster storm by feeding off the extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico.


The word monster is meant to give Katrina a personality. Call it anthropormorphism. Of course 4th graders have not a clue in the world about what a single word can do to a statement. "Monster" also begins the fatal falacy in this paragraph, which is the second sentence. The phrase "feeding off the extremely warm water" continues to describe the "monster." The word "extremely" is just an adjective to describe the waters temperature. It has no true meaning to the statement nor does it add to it.

So if the kids/teacher wanted to make an acurate statement what they should have said was:

"Katrina was cat 1 storm as it crossed southern Florida, but grew to a cat 5 over the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico."
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 12:42:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 12:43:13 PM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)



that actually is true


No what is implied is not true, that it had anything to do with global warming... just not true. And on top of that Katrina was not a monster storm when it made landfall in LA.


Right. Oceans are heated from solar radiation, not convection. Oceans are COOLED by convection as water evaporates, it takes significant heat from the water. This is why London has fog...the Gulf stream carries warm water to the upper Atlantic where dry trade winds evaporate the water, cooling the water (and slightly warming the air) and creating humid air.

The idea that global warming will increase hurricane intensity/frequency is ABSURD. Such belief shows complete ignorance of science.


I never said that it was caused by global warming, and I never said that I bought into global warming. I simply pointed out that the paragraph I quoted is true. Katrina was a Cat 1 storm when it crossed south Florida. It turned into a cat 5 storm over the GoM. and when it landed was a cat 3 or 4. The article said it was a "monster."

But let's look at that quote as it's written:


"Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it crossed Florida."


this is a true statement


It became a monster storm by feeding off the extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico.


The word monster is meant to give Katrina a personality. Call it anthropormorphism. Of course 4th graders have not a clue in the world about what a single word can do to a statement. "Monster" also begins the fatal falacy in this paragraph, which is the second sentence. The phrase "feeding off the extremely warm water" continues to describe the "monster." The word "extremely" is just an adjective to describe the waters temperature. It has no true meaning to the statement nor does it add to it.

So if the kids/teacher wanted to make an acurate statement what they should have said was:

"Katrina was cat 1 storm as it crossed southern Florida, but grew to a cat 5 over the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico."


No not really. You never said that it was caused by global warming but they did and that was the point.

Now lets look as the WHOLE quote as written not just part of it.


Such a warming of the ocean is fuel for more severe hurricanes
such as Katrina
. Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico.


That whole statement taken in context is false to its core. The intent of the statement was to imply global warming made Katrina stronger, false.
Link Posted: 6/15/2007 1:05:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/15/2007 1:08:20 PM EDT by Redmanfms]

Originally Posted By vito113:
A report of Global Warming from over here in England…

Last month the tree huggers were predicting the hottest and dryest summer since recods began…

And what happened?


Stuck In The Flood: Weather Wreaks Havoc
Updated: 19:12, Friday June 15, 2007

<snip>

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-13593331,00.html


That wasn't blamed on global warming?

We had a drought in Virginia through much of the 90s. It was blamed on global warming. We then had a couple years of serious rain that caused a lot of flash flooding in the early 2000s, that was also blamed on global warming.

It's dry. Global warming.

It's wet. Global warming.

It's hot. Global warming.

It's cold. Global warming.

Link Posted: 6/15/2007 2:48:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Originally Posted By Keith_J:

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By jmzd4:

Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico. (not true but who cares)



that actually is true


No what is implied is not true, that it had anything to do with global warming... just not true. And on top of that Katrina was not a monster storm when it made landfall in LA.


Right. Oceans are heated from solar radiation, not convection. Oceans are COOLED by convection as water evaporates, it takes significant heat from the water. This is why London has fog...the Gulf stream carries warm water to the upper Atlantic where dry trade winds evaporate the water, cooling the water (and slightly warming the air) and creating humid air.

The idea that global warming will increase hurricane intensity/frequency is ABSURD. Such belief shows complete ignorance of science.


I never said that it was caused by global warming, and I never said that I bought into global warming. I simply pointed out that the paragraph I quoted is true. Katrina was a Cat 1 storm when it crossed south Florida. It turned into a cat 5 storm over the GoM. and when it landed was a cat 3 or 4. The article said it was a "monster."

But let's look at that quote as it's written:


"Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it crossed Florida."


this is a true statement


It became a monster storm by feeding off the extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico.


The word monster is meant to give Katrina a personality. Call it anthropormorphism. Of course 4th graders have not a clue in the world about what a single word can do to a statement. "Monster" also begins the fatal falacy in this paragraph, which is the second sentence. The phrase "feeding off the extremely warm water" continues to describe the "monster." The word "extremely" is just an adjective to describe the waters temperature. It has no true meaning to the statement nor does it add to it.

So if the kids/teacher wanted to make an acurate statement what they should have said was:

"Katrina was cat 1 storm as it crossed southern Florida, but grew to a cat 5 over the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico."


No not really. You never said that it was caused by global warming but they did and that was the point.

Now lets look as the WHOLE quote as written not just part of it.


Such a warming of the ocean is fuel for more severe hurricanes
such as Katrina
. Katrina was only a Category 1 storm when it
crossed Florida. It became a monster storm by feeding off the
extremely warm water in the Gulf of Mexico.


That whole statement taken in context is false to its core. The intent of the statement was to imply global warming made Katrina stronger, false.


Because the the intent of the statement is false does not mean that the entire statment is. You can not deny that Katrina was a cat 1 as it passed over Florida.



Max_Mike, I'm not looking to get into a pissing match with you over some stupid liberal taught crap a bunch of 4th graders slapped together so the teacher could get famous over something that you and I both don't give into because the scientific evidence is still out. I'm just pointing out to you the part of the statement that is true.

Link Posted: 6/15/2007 5:19:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jmzd4:
Because the the intent of the statement is false does not mean that the entire statment is. You can not deny that Katrina was a cat 1 as it passed over Florida.

cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/archive/montage/atlantic/2005/KATRINA-track.gif

Max_Mike, I'm not looking to get into a pissing match with you over some stupid liberal taught crap a bunch of 4th graders slapped together so the teacher could get famous over something that you and I both don't give into because the scientific evidence is still out. I'm just pointing out to you the part of the statement that is true.



How do you separate a statement from its intent?

If you do go in to a court of law and make a false statement it does not matter what parts you cut out of it that may be true it is still a false statement and called perjury. Intent is all that counts.

You are right we could go around about this all night we will have to agree to disagree.

Anyway the point was 4th graders are being unscrupulously used, misinformed, and indoctrinated to believe that this is the fact and we are paying for it. I think we both agree on that.

Link Posted: 6/16/2007 3:07:52 AM EDT
Have you guys never heard of the Gulf Stream... a current of warm water that circulates in the Gulf of Mexico? It's always warmer there, and hurricanes always strengthen when they hit the warmer GOM.

That is nothing new.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 3:26:58 AM EDT
So why IS the Artic ice sheet disappearing?
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 3:41:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2007 3:45:49 AM EDT by postpostban]

Originally Posted By webtaz99:
So why IS the Artic ice sheet disappearing?


The Earth is getting warmer, we just can't prove at, at all, that humans are causing it.
Julius Ceaser introduced grapes in England, Vikings lived hundredes of years on northern area's, growng crops on land covered by ice sheets today. Are we entering another of those warm cycles? It would seem so.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 3:53:25 AM EDT
Yeah we're not 100% sure GW is being accelerated by carbon emissions, only 95% sure.

Lucky for the rest of the world that most goverments are taking this issue seriously (now even China) and are taking steps to reduce carbon emissions.

Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:07:56 AM EDT
I remember in the 1970s being told that with all the people burning wood for heat because of the oil crisis the state of Maine would be totally deforested in 20 years. Last time I checked the state is still covered in trees.

GW is happening, just not for the reasons that are being pushed by politicians and the media.

Besides, GW is good for some people, ask anyone living in Greenland.

Global Warming a Boon for Greenland's Farmers
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:22:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech:
I remember in the 1970s being told that with all the people burning wood for heat because of the oil crisis the state of Maine would be totally deforested in 20 years. Last time I checked the state is still covered in trees.

GW is happening, just not for the reasons that are being pushed by politicians and the media.
Besides, GW is good for some people, ask anyone living in Greenland.

Global Warming a Boon for Greenland's Farmers



As with anything, follow the money.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:27:48 AM EDT
Here is a good site that explaines a lot about Global Warming. The Science Museum of the National Academy of Sciences.

Please read


Its a good read i feel, it covers a lot of ground.

"A growing body of evidence indicates that humans now have a significant impact on climate. Nevertheless, it is difficult to identify humans as the only cause of a particular weather event or local climate change."

This is how it opens, and it appears to be the only subjective argument in the whole thing. The above quote is a good example of where I stand on the issue.

Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:30:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:32:09 AM EDT
Global warming is about as real as my Bugatti Veyron.
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 7:10:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2007 7:24:26 AM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By LeDBelly:
Yeah we're not 100% sure GW is being accelerated by carbon emissions, only 95% sure.

Lucky for the rest of the world that most goverments are taking this issue seriously (now even China) and are taking steps to reduce carbon emissions.




Simply not true... there is absolutely a growing realization that warming is caused by the sun.

It has also now been shown historically that CO2 increase follows temp. increases and do not causes them.

Most governments see this as an opportunity for them to increase their control and that has nothing to do with the science.

If you believe China has any intent other than to blow smoke on the issue you also must believe in the tooth fairy… Chinas ACTIONS speak for China’s real intent and that is to build fossil fuel burning power plants as fast as they can.


Link Posted: 6/16/2007 10:58:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2007 11:00:34 AM EDT by thelastgunslinger]

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By LeDBelly:
Yeah we're not 100% sure GW is being accelerated by carbon emissions, only 95% sure.

Lucky for the rest of the world that most goverments are taking this issue seriously (now even China) and are taking steps to reduce carbon emissions.




Simply not true... there is absolutely a growing realization that warming is caused by the sun.

It has also now been shown historically that CO2 increase follows temp. increases and do not causes them.

Most governments see this as an opportunity for them to increase their control and that has nothing to do with the science.

If you believe China has any intent other than to blow smoke on the issue you also must believe in the tooth fairy… Chinas ACTIONS speak for China’s real intent and that is to build fossil fuel burning power plants as fast as they can.




If it looks like a power grab, and smells like a power grab, then it is probably a power grab.

In order to grab power, the people must be scared of something.

Hitler said something needed to be done about the Jews to grab power.

Lenin said something had to be done about the bourgeois to grab power.

Modern leftists have "global warming" and other such tripe.

I suppose that the other planets in the solar system are getting warmer because of human causes? Or just maybe the sun has something to do with it?
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:24:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/16/2007 4:26:38 PM EDT by A_Free_Man]

Originally Posted By LeDBelly:
Yeah we're not 100% sure GW is being accelerated by carbon emissions, only 95% sure.

Lucky for the rest of the world that most goverments are taking this issue seriously (now even China) and are taking steps to reduce carbon emissions.




Actually there are scientists that will tell you that increased CO2 comes AFTER warming, is a result, not a cause of warming.

Also, did you know that we have so much pollution here that it is spilling off Earth and also warming Mars (polar caps shrinking), as well as the outer planets and moons of those planets? (That is supposed to be sarcasm, guys)

The SUN is in a period of increased output (this is cyclical) and warming the whole solar system... including Earth.

So, which do you prefer, warmer weather, increased growing seasons, increased farmable land, or another ice age with starvation and death?
Link Posted: 6/16/2007 4:46:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LeDBelly:
Here is a good site that explaines a lot about Global Warming. The Science Museum of the National Academy of Sciences.

Please read


Its a good read i feel, it covers a lot of ground.

"A growing body of evidence indicates that humans now have a significant impact on climate. Nevertheless, it is difficult to identify humans as the only cause of a particular weather event or local climate change."

This is how it opens, and it appears to be the only subjective argument in the whole thing. The above quote is a good example of where I stand on the issue.



Spent too much time at the referenced site. WHat I didn't find:

Oxygen catastrophe. This is when cyanobacteria arose in the primordial oceans, giving rise to oxygen and absorbing most CO2. These organisms lived in an environment that by the CURRENT assumption, mush have had seas at nearly the boiling point. That cyanobacteria exist today AND PROVIDE OVER 80% OF OUR OXYGEN IS A BIG CLUE TO THE IGNORANCE HERE.

Iron Hypothesis. Back when cyanobacteria evolved, iron was prevalent in lower oxidation states due to the LACK OF OXYGEN thanks to CARBON sequestering oxygen. Once cyanobacteria had released oxygen, iron in oceans was oxidized to the higher oxidation states, becoming LESS bioactive, thus reducing the iron concentration in ocean water. But cyanobacteria NEEDS some iron to function...

Meanwhile, while cyanobacteria is working on turning CO2 to O2 and elemental C, other roganisms are grazing on cyanobacteria, turning that carbon into anoxic sludge, making the prototypes for fossil fuels.

And in the 3.4 billion years, NOTHING HAS CHANGED. Except iron concentrations in the oceans. Every few months, stroms blow iron-laden dust into oceans. When the Industrial Revolution was in full swing, burning high sulfur bitiminous and lignite coals, the additon of SOx to the environment allowed dust iron to fertilize cyanobacteria, effectively reducing the concentration of carbon dioxide.

But what have we done in the past 50 years? Reduce the sulfur emissions and thusly, decreased the bioavailability of dust iron to cyanobacteria in the oceans.

Link Posted: 6/16/2007 11:29:56 PM EDT
I just wish people would be less ambiguous. "Global warming" is undeniable. That humans cause or influence it is highly speculative.
Link Posted: 6/17/2007 12:12:19 AM EDT
Al Gore invented the internet.
Al Gore said we are gonna die.
Oh yes my friends, we are going to die.


Stupid fucking kids.
Link Posted: 6/17/2007 12:13:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LeDBelly:
Yeah we're not 100% sure GW is being accelerated by carbon emissions, only 95% sure.

Lucky for the rest of the world that most goverments are taking this issue seriously (now even China) and are taking steps to reduce carbon emissions.



Don't you have some kangaroo's to molest? Maybe cause our gooberment isn't buying the hippy bullshit?
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