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Posted: 5/19/2005 6:41:53 PM EDT


May 18, 2005

Carrier America sunk

By Matt Hilburn
Times staff writer

The carrier America now lies beneath the surface of the Atlantic, scuttled by the Navy.
Pat Dolan, a spokeswoman for Naval Sea Systems Command in Washington, DC, confirmed the “controlled” sinking took place at approximately 11:30 a.m. on May 14.

The decommissioned ship, out of service since 1996, was the target of a series of tests designed to try out new defense and damage control systems for the CVN-21 carrier program. It was the largest ship deliberately sunk by the Navy.

In fact, the America was the largest warship ever sunk by any means, in war or peace.

Tom Tramantano, president of the USS America Carrier Veterans Association Inc., a group that had been trying to save the carrier and turn it into a museum, called it a “sad day.”

“I feel I really haven’t had time to mourn,” said Tramantano, who served on the America as a lithographer third class during the ship’s 1968 Vietnam deployment.

Tramantano said the group will now focus its efforts toward getting the next class of carriers named after the America.

“There’s some anger in me that they would allow a ship with the country’s name to be sunk,” he said. “But I’m also proud that the testing may do some future good.”
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:45:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:49:08 PM EDT
Thats a shame.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:50:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By m-dc:
Thats a shame.



+1
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:55:08 PM EDT
Thats kinda messed up.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:56:18 PM EDT
How many scuttling charges and torpedos did it take to sink that beast?

Any videos of the event?
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 6:58:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:06:44 PM EDT
A good way for a warship to go.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:10:13 PM EDT

Shit wears out. I'm glad ex-America isn't soaking up money that is better spent on new carriers or refurbishing ones that are still useful.

Jim
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:13:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Schmeghead:
How many scuttling charges and torpedos did it take to sink that beast?

Any videos of the event?



I wouldn't be suprised if that were mostly classified information--one of the reasons I heard for scuttling her was so they could document how well the hull stood up to different kinds of damage, so that they can feed that info to the designers of the newer carriers.

Jim
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:14:37 PM EDT


RIP USS America
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:25:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 7:28:52 PM EDT by m14shooter]
I'll have to pass this sad news on to two guys I know that both served on this ship at different times . I spoke with both just hours ago . the first is a guy at work , he served in the 80's I think . the other is a retired minister at the church I grew up at and he just finished my and my fiancee's pre- marital counseling. the minister served during 'Nam on the wall at his house he proudly has his "Gulf of Tonkin Yachting Club" patch ahd other mementos of the Navy. The minister is David Jones- and yes ,to all of you Navy guys he caught hell for that name as they crossed the equater. "pollywog / shellback " ceremony
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:26:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DoubleFeed:
That ship would never sink, if it was up to me. America, both the country and the ship, sunk?
Creepy and symbolic.



America is a region, not a country...The "United States of America" is a country
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:35:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 7:38:21 PM EDT by KA3B]
There are pictures floating around on DOD email networks, it's only a matter of time before some make it outside the DOD.

Some of the active duty Navy guys might already have them....(LW)


Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:
I wouldn't be suprised if that were mostly classified information--one of the reasons I heard for scuttling her was so they could document how well the hull stood up to different kinds of damage, so that they can feed that info to the designers of the newer carriers.
Jim

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:40:32 PM EDT
I always wonder why the metal in those large ships isn't recycled. Those things are huge. I'm sure scrap companies would pay good money to cut it up. Just get rid of the classified stuff first.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:40:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By go3:
A good way for a warship to go.



+1 and WAY better than sending it to China as scrap metal
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:44:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stealth:
I always wonder why the metal in those large ships isn't recycled. Those things are huge. I'm sure scrap companies would pay good money to cut it up. Just get rid of the classified stuff first.



In this case, the chance to actually see and monitor the effects of munitions against a carrier is priceless.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:46:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2005 7:46:43 PM EDT by Melvinator2k0]
at least scuba divers can visit it
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:49:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KA3B:


May 18, 2005

Carrier America sunk

By Matt Hilburn
Times staff writer

The carrier America now lies beneath the surface of the Atlantic, scuttled by the Navy.
Pat Dolan, a spokeswoman for Naval Sea Systems Command in Washington, DC, confirmed the “controlled” sinking took place at approximately 11:30 a.m. on May 14.

The decommissioned ship, out of service since 1996, was the target of a series of tests designed to try out new defense and damage control systems for the CVN-21 carrier program. It was the largest ship deliberately sunk by the Navy.

In fact, the America was the largest warship ever sunk by any means, in war or peace.

Tom Tramantano, president of the USS America Carrier Veterans Association Inc., a group that had been trying to save the carrier and turn it into a museum, called it a “sad day.”

“I feel I really haven’t had time to mourn,” said Tramantano, who served on the America as a lithographer third class during the ship’s 1968 Vietnam deployment.

Tramantano said the group will now focus its efforts toward getting the next class of carriers named after the America.

“There’s some anger in me that they would allow a ship with the country’s name to be sunk,” he said. “But I’m also proud that the testing may do some future good.”



He should go to Norfolk sometime and see the liner S.S. America rotting in the shipyard.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 7:59:16 PM EDT
I don't think so....


At the end, explosive scuttling charges placed to flood the ship will be detonated, and the America will begin its descent to the sea floor, more than 6,000 feet below.




Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
at least scuba divers can visit it

Link Posted: 5/19/2005 8:43:31 PM EDT

How many scuttling charges and torpedos did it take to sink that beast?



Couple things of Tannerite, done deal.

I hope they do release some video of the 'attack' and sinking. I do think it's sad that they had to sink it, but they will learn a lot of info from it and be able to apply that to future ships, thus *bold dramatic voice* It's sacrifice will not be in vain!
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 8:52:35 PM EDT
tag for the eventual pics.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:13:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BulletBait:

Originally Posted By go3:
A good way for a warship to go.



+1 and WAY better than sending it to China as scrap metal

Second the motion.

Remember the Posts when the sinkings were announced? I stand by what I said back then.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:20:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
at least scuba divers can visit it




No way


- but there ARE plans to scuttle another carrier (the Oriskany?) off Pensacola s an artificial reef specifically for scuba divers.
Link Posted: 5/19/2005 9:57:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By go3:
A good way for a warship to go.




Better than goddamn razorblades.


And hopefully, if a CVN-21 or other ship ever took a hit, whatever data they got will save somebody's life.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 1:11:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
at least scuba divers can visit it




No way


- but there ARE plans to scuttle another carrier (the Oriskany?) off Pensacola s an artificial reef specifically for scuba divers.



As predicted by several here, the Oriskany sinking has turned into a fiasco. It's been sitting in port rusting away because it's full of hazardous materials and they can't sink her like that. Now they're talking about towing her back to Corpus Christi for hurricane season. All of this expense for a handful of fucking divers.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 2:57:31 AM EDT
Well, my prediction that pics and videos would be on the 'net by 48 hours is pretty much toast. I better not quit my day job....
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 3:21:55 AM EDT

Better to be sunk than scrapped.

Pics of ex-USS Coral Sea being scrapped: www.usscoralsea.net/pages/picsexcv43.html

*Warning* These pics are not for the feint of heart.

Link Posted: 5/20/2005 6:43:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Grivo_Mak:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Melvinator2k0:
at least scuba divers can visit it




No way


- but there ARE plans to scuttle another carrier (the Oriskany?) off Pensacola s an artificial reef specifically for scuba divers.



As predicted by several here, the Oriskany sinking has turned into a fiasco. It's been sitting in port rusting away because it's full of hazardous materials and they can't sink her like that. Now they're talking about towing her back to Corpus Christi for hurricane season. All of this expense for a handful of fucking divers.




It's not "for a handful of divers" - it's for the local economy. Once a ship liek that it sunk, it will draw lots of divers from all over the country, which will pump lots of money into the local economy. As far as I remember, several cities - including one in TX - competed vigorously to get the carrier. I'm sure it's not like city hall has been take over by divers in all those cities right?

Plus, if the alternative is being scrapped or thrown away - I LIKE the fact the a big proud ship can be preserved in its entirity, letting people see it - instead of just being destroyed.

I agree with you that it's a shame that they still haven't figured out how to sink it properly. They should have asked the Candians to help them - they've very successfully sunk a number of former military vessels in B.C.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 6:56:25 AM EDT
Can the same name be used more than once on a warship? I always thought that once a ship was decommisioned it's name couldn't be used again.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 7:00:57 AM EDT
Shoulda let the museum folks have it.
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 7:01:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WyattEarp:
Can the same name be used more than once on a warship?



Yes. For example there have been 10 Wasps....

Scott
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 7:14:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/20/2005 7:16:17 AM EDT by Stoney-Point]

Originally Posted By Scottman:

Originally Posted By WyattEarp:
Can the same name be used more than once on a warship?



Yes. For example there have been 10 Wasps....

Scott



And a couple of Saratoga's
(CV-60 was my brother's ship..he was a brown shirt during Desert Shield/Storm...his plane was an S-3)
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 7:17:07 AM EDT


should have loaded it up with C4 and parked it off the coast of a bad guy nation--vengence of AMERICA!
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:05:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scottman:

Originally Posted By WyattEarp:
Can the same name be used more than once on a warship?



Yes. For example there have been 10 Wasps....

Scott



Several Enterprises in the past, one Enterprise CVN-65 now, and as we all know quite a few Enterprises in the future.

Jim
Link Posted: 5/20/2005 8:25:56 AM EDT
A co-worker of mine served aboard her. He flew out to the decommissioning ceremony from CA to see her one last time. His group tried to go aboard one last time for a look around and pics but they were declined. Apparently there were safety issues since many of the rails and much of the decking had been removed.
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