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Posted: 1/19/2015 10:02:36 AM EST
We have a chuckle now and then when we are reminded of how many people believe that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her front porch, MLK freed the slaves, the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery, messicans like 38 Super because its legal down there...a neverending stream of misinformation .

Here's another one being pimped to shape the progressive narrative, this time Jimmy Fallon is the instrument of this particular information operation:


https://twitter.com/jimmyfallon/status/555932035744026624
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:20:06 AM EST
Lemonade out of lemons.....Bush's fault by air time Sunday night
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:25:00 AM EST
FJF

FBHO

Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:33:17 AM EST
I never found that douche funny!
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:37:27 AM EST
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:37:42 AM EST
Well to be fair, the only people that ever ask me for 38 super are mexicans...
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
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Too bad that's not what the OP said.

Try reading again.
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
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Does states rights to own brown people sound better to you?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:44:50 AM EST
Like the one purporting that god exists?
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Originally Posted By llanero:
We have a chuckle now and then when we are reminded of how many people believe that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her front porch
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there are very few people who believe this. it was a joke.

most thinking humans know that, when asked about her foreign policy expertise, she cited her state's proximity to russia.
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Originally Posted By hauslp:

Does states rights to own brown people sound better to you?
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Originally Posted By hauslp:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.

Does states rights to own brown people sound better to you?


The Northern population centers had been strangling the southern economy with tariff's for decades before slavery ever became an issue. It was an economic fight on both sides, not a moral crusade.
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Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Too bad that's not what the OP said.

Try reading again.
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Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
Too bad that's not what the OP said.

Try reading again.


"the civil wasn't fought over slavery" - usually when people say this, they're implying that it was fought to free the slaves. The issue of slavery was a small one, thousands of southerners who couldn't even afford slaves didn't go and fight for a rich guys "right" to own other human beings.
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there are very few people who believe this. it was a joke.

most thinking humans know that, when asked about her foreign policy expertise, she cited her state's proximity to russia.
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Originally Posted By llanero:
We have a chuckle now and then when we are reminded of how many people believe that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her front porch


there are very few people who believe this. it was a joke.

most thinking humans know that, when asked about her foreign policy expertise, she cited her state's proximity to russia.
I won a bet for lunch with the resident libtard at work, because he was absolutely convinced that Sarah Palin actually said it.
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:


The Northern population centers had been strangling the southern economy with tariff's for decades before slavery ever became an issue. It was an economic fight on both sides, not a moral crusade.
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
Originally Posted By hauslp:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.

Does states rights to own brown people sound better to you?


The Northern population centers had been strangling the southern economy with tariff's for decades before slavery ever became an issue. It was an economic fight on both sides, not a moral crusade.
Yes, it was an economic fight, an economic fight about the future of 'slave' vs 'non-slave' states.

It was about slavery.
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Originally Posted By JDC_VA_USMC:
I won a bet for lunch with the resident libtard at work, because he was absolutely convinced that Sarah Palin actually said it.
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Originally Posted By jfrankparnell:
Originally Posted By llanero:
We have a chuckle now and then when we are reminded of how many people believe that Sarah Palin said she could see Russia from her front porch


there are very few people who believe this. it was a joke.

most thinking humans know that, when asked about her foreign policy expertise, she cited her state's proximity to russia.
I won a bet for lunch with the resident libtard at work, because he was absolutely convinced that Sarah Palin actually said it.


i have to admit, i'm fascinated to know what kind of work someone that stupid could be qualified for
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
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It was fought to protect the "peculiar institution" of slavery.

And that is a Fact.
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I am faster than 80% of all snakes.

FACT
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Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Yes, it was an economic fight, an economic fight about the future of 'slave' vs 'non-slave' states.

It was about slavery.
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Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
Originally Posted By hauslp:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.

Does states rights to own brown people sound better to you?


The Northern population centers had been strangling the southern economy with tariff's for decades before slavery ever became an issue. It was an economic fight on both sides, not a moral crusade.
Yes, it was an economic fight, an economic fight about the future of 'slave' vs 'non-slave' states.

It was about slavery.
BS. It's not like the declarations of the causes of succession that SC, GA, MS and TX published mentioned slavery as the primary cause.

Oh wait, yes they did.
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:


"the civil wasn't fought over slavery" - usually when people say this, they're implying that it was fought to free the slaves. The issue of slavery was a small one, thousands of southerners who couldn't even afford slaves didn't go and fight for a rich guys "right" to own other human beings.
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
Too bad that's not what the OP said.

Try reading again.


"the civil wasn't fought over slavery" - usually when people say this, they're implying that it was fought to free the slaves. The issue of slavery was a small one, thousands of southerners who couldn't even afford slaves didn't go and fight for a rich guys "right" to own other human beings.
Which is why the rich guys who controlled the government whipped them up into a frenzy about "northern aggression".

That part in red? Its not true:

Georgia

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.



A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.


South Carolina (after a long winded history of the US, this is the first reason given)

In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

Texas

A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.

The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then *a free, sovereign and independent nation* [emphasis in the original], the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof,

The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

Virginia
THE SECESSION ORDINANCE.
AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL THE RATIFICATION OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, AND TO RESUME ALL THE RIGHTS AND POWERS GRANTED UNDER SAID CONSTITUTION.

The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.



So, you may argue that not all states passed resolutions explicitly mentioning slavery as a big issue, but for several states, issues related to slavery WERE DEFINITELY THE MAJOR REASON THAT THEY THEMSELVES CLAIMED WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AS EVIDENCED BY IT BEING THE FIRST THING THEY TALK ABOUT.


It may not have been "a moral crusade to end slavery", but it was fought mostly because of slavery.

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BS. It's not like the declarations of the causes of succession that SC, GA, MS and TX published mentioned slavery as the primary cause.

Oh wait, yes they did.
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Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
Originally Posted By hauslp:

Does states rights to own brown people sound better to you?


The Northern population centers had been strangling the southern economy with tariff's for decades before slavery ever became an issue. It was an economic fight on both sides, not a moral crusade.
Yes, it was an economic fight, an economic fight about the future of 'slave' vs 'non-slave' states.

It was about slavery.
BS. It's not like the declarations of the causes of succession that SC, GA, MS and TX published mentioned slavery as the primary cause.

Oh wait, yes they did.
I was already copying and pasting when you posted this.
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:


"the civil wasn't fought over slavery" - usually when people say this, they're implying that it was fought to free the slaves.
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
Too bad that's not what the OP said.

Try reading again.


"the civil wasn't fought over slavery" - usually when people say this, they're implying that it was fought to free the slaves.

You're reading something into his statement that isn't there. That's not his fault.

As far as "The Big Lie" is concerned, as long as you're lying about something that people want to believe, you can get away with just about anything.

(In a thread just yesterday, I saw someone trot out the "MLK Was A Republican" canard. Conservatives seem to love this one, and the fact that it isn't true doesn't seem to make any difference.)
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Then Hollywood should have no trouble voting for them.
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Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Which is why the rich guys who controlled the government whipped them up into a frenzy about "northern aggression".

That part in red? Its not true:

Georgia

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.



A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.


South Carolina (after a long winded history of the US, this is the first reason given)

In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

Texas

A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.

The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then *a free, sovereign and independent nation* [emphasis in the original], the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof,

The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

VirginiaTHE SECESSION ORDINANCE.
AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL THE RATIFICATION OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, AND TO RESUME ALL THE RIGHTS AND POWERS GRANTED UNDER SAID CONSTITUTION.

The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.



So, you may argue that not all states passed resolutions explicitly mentioning slavery as a big issue, but for several states, issues related to slavery WERE DEFINITELY THE MAJOR REASON THAT THEY THEMSELVES CLAIMED WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AS EVIDENCED BY IT BEING THE FIRST THING THEY TALK ABOUT.


It may not have been "a moral crusade to end slavery", but it was fought mostly because of slavery.

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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
Originally Posted By fatalerror113:
Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
Too bad that's not what the OP said.

Try reading again.


"the civil wasn't fought over slavery" - usually when people say this, they're implying that it was fought to free the slaves. The issue of slavery was a small one, thousands of southerners who couldn't even afford slaves didn't go and fight for a rich guys "right" to own other human beings.
Which is why the rich guys who controlled the government whipped them up into a frenzy about "northern aggression".

That part in red? Its not true:

Georgia

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.



A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.

In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.


South Carolina (after a long winded history of the US, this is the first reason given)

In the present case, that fact is established with certainty. We assert that fourteen of the States have deliberately refused, for years past, to fulfill their constitutional obligations, and we refer to their own Statutes for the proof.

The Constitution of the United States, in its fourth Article, provides as follows: "No person held to service or labor in one State, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up, on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due."

This stipulation was so material to the compact, that without it that compact would not have been made. The greater number of the contracting parties held slaves, and they had previously evinced their estimate of the value of such a stipulation by making it a condition in the Ordinance for the government of the territory ceded by Virginia, which now composes the States north of the Ohio River.

The same article of the Constitution stipulates also for rendition by the several States of fugitives from justice from the other States.

Texas

A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.

The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then *a free, sovereign and independent nation* [emphasis in the original], the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof,

The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.

Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?

VirginiaTHE SECESSION ORDINANCE.
AN ORDINANCE TO REPEAL THE RATIFICATION OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, AND TO RESUME ALL THE RIGHTS AND POWERS GRANTED UNDER SAID CONSTITUTION.

The people of Virginia, in their ratification of the Constitution of the United States of America, adopted by them in Convention on the twenty-fifth day of June, in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and eighty-eight, having declared that the powers granted under the said Constitution were derived from the people of the United States, and might be resumed whensoever the same should be perverted to their injury and oppression; and the Federal Government, having perverted said powers, not only to the injury of the people of Virginia, but to the oppression of the Southern Slaveholding States.



So, you may argue that not all states passed resolutions explicitly mentioning slavery as a big issue, but for several states, issues related to slavery WERE DEFINITELY THE MAJOR REASON THAT THEY THEMSELVES CLAIMED WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS AS EVIDENCED BY IT BEING THE FIRST THING THEY TALK ABOUT.


It may not have been "a moral crusade to end slavery", but it was fought mostly because of slavery.



KaBoom
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Are the Democrats running any blacks for President?
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FJF

FBHO

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[As far as "The Big Lie" is concerned, as long as you're lying about something that people want to believe, you can get away with just about anything.

(In a thread just yesterday, I saw someone trot out the "MLK Was A Republican" canard. Conservatives seem to love this one, and the fact that it isn't true doesn't seem to make any difference.)
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Which is what my sigline is all about.
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Originally Posted By Duramaxman0909:
The civil war was not fought to free the slaves. That's not a lie, it's a fact.
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Not to, but it was the underlying cause of the conflict. To say otherwise is to fool yourself.
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Manchin is a dead dog here.
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