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Posted: 5/25/2012 8:04:29 PM EDT

[#1]

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If he does not end up taking the stand his statements will never be used.

How do you figure?

Kind of hard to believe he made some damning statement at the time and there was this much dithering over whether to charge him. I suppose it could have been something he said later but that seems less likely.

The article almost makes it sound to me like conversations they pulled off his PC.

Posted: 5/25/2012 8:25:45 PM EDT

[#2]

PEOPLES CUBE PICKS UP ON 'HAPPY TRAYVON MARTIN DAY'

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/25/happy-trayvon-martin-day/

Posted: 5/25/2012 8:29:35 PM EDT

[#3]

WARNING MISSED: Sept 29th 2006 – Trayvon Martin Could Have Been Saved….. But No-One Noticed… He Was Just Like Thousands Of Other Children From Detached Cultural and Black Parenting

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/05/25/warning-missed-sept-29th-2006-trayvon-martin-could-have-been-saved-but-no-one-noticed-he-was-just-like-thousands-of-other-children-from-detached-cultural-and-black-parenting/

Posted: 5/25/2012 8:34:03 PM EDT

[#4]

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL OUTRAGE

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/25/zimmerman-trial-outrage/

F'F'F'F'F'k

Even the Times is still peddling the lie Zman disobeyed a direct order which was given before he left his truck.

Posted: 5/25/2012 8:44:47 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL OUTRAGE

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/25/zimmerman-trial-outrage/

F'F'F'F'F'k

Even the Times is still peddling the lie Zman disobeyed a direct order which was given before he left his truck.

Can someone tell us if a Dispatcher in Sanford, Florida has the authority to order anyone to do anything?

Posted: 5/25/2012 10:05:23 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:

Quoted:

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL OUTRAGE

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/25/zimmerman-trial-outrage/

F'F'F'F'F'k

Even the Times is still peddling the lie Zman disobeyed a direct order which was given before he left his truck.

Can someone tell us if a Dispatcher in Sanford, Florida has the authority to order anyone to do anything?

No, but it's irrelevant as the dispatcher at no time ordered/asked GZ to stay in his car/truck not did he ask GZ to stop following the kid. He simply said, you do not have to do that - GZ said OK and walked back toward the mailboxes.

I swear is it really that hard to keep track of this case? There are not that many twists.

Posted: 5/25/2012 10:34:09 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

Quoted:

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL OUTRAGE

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/25/zimmerman-trial-outrage/

F'F'F'F'F'k

Even the Times is still peddling the lie Zman disobeyed a direct order which was given before he left his truck.

Can someone tell us if a Dispatcher in Sanford, Florida has the authority to order anyone to do anything?

No, but it's irrelevant as the dispatcher at no time ordered/asked GZ to stay in his car/truck not did he ask GZ to stop following the kid. He simply said, you do not have to do that - GZ said OK and walked back toward the mailboxes.

I swear is it really that hard to keep track of this case? There are not that many twists.

No it isn't hard at all. I just wanted to be sure. I understand that the Dispatcher didn't order him to do anything but no matter the evidence in their face, some people don't believe that. I want to make sure that even if the Dispatcher did order him to do something he didn't have the authority to do it.

Is it so hard to understand wanting to cover all angles? Wanting to shut down the EMO non-logic thrown out by race baiters? From what is out there it isn't hard to understand at all. Some people just need their twists straightened.

Posted: 5/26/2012 3:16:35 AM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If he does not end up taking the stand his statements will never be used.

How do you figure?

Kind of hard to believe he made some damning statement at the time and there was this much dithering over whether to charge him. I suppose it could have been something he said later but that seems less likely.

The article almost makes it sound to me like conversations they pulled off his PC.

Why would you pull someones Computer for a self defense shooting. Its pretty obvious that Zimmerman didnt know Trayvon and didnt plan to go murder him

Posted: 5/26/2012 3:52:36 AM EDT

[#9]

The anti crowd have a lot invested in this case. Just scanning the Brady site and all their current top stories are tied in with Zimmerman.

Posted: 5/26/2012 5:15:38 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

If he does not end up taking the stand his statements will never be used.

How do you figure?

Kind of hard to believe he made some damning statement at the time and there was this much dithering over whether to charge him. I suppose it could have been something he said later but that seems less likely.

The article almost makes it sound to me like conversations they pulled off his PC.

Why would you pull someones Computer for a self defense shooting. Its pretty obvious that Zimmerman didnt know Trayvon and didnt plan to go murder him

It's a fishing expedition.

Posted: 5/26/2012 6:43:47 AM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:

Quoted:

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL OUTRAGE

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/25/zimmerman-trial-outrage/

F'F'F'F'F'k

Even the Times is still peddling the lie Zman disobeyed a direct order which was given before he left his truck.

Can someone tell us if a Dispatcher in Sanford, Florida has the authority to order anyone to do anything?

"A criminal just broke through your bedroom door?

YOU'RE ARMED?

Sir, I need you to put the gun down and wait for law enforcement to arrive.

They should be there in 3-4 minutes......"

Posted: 5/26/2012 6:46:08 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If he does not end up taking the stand his statements will never be used.

How do you figure?

Kind of hard to believe he made some damning statement at the time and there was this much dithering over whether to charge him. I suppose it could have been something he said later but that seems less likely.

The article almost makes it sound to me like conversations they pulled off his PC.

Why would you pull someones Computer for a self defense shooting. Its pretty obvious that Zimmerman didnt know Trayvon and didnt plan to go murder him

Why would you charge someone with murder, 2nd, without sufficient evidence to support?

Read the article, tell me what you get out of it.

Nothing about the way they are handling this makes sense unless you are willing to assume the worst.

Here, pulled the part of interest:

O'Mara also asked the judge to withhold what he said were thousands of emails received by the Sanford police about the case, some of which are racially charged, and Zimmerman's own text messages, emails and journal entries obtained by prosecutors as part of their evidence gathering.

Posted: 5/26/2012 8:56:59 AM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If he does not end up taking the stand his statements will never be used.

How do you figure?

Kind of hard to believe he made some damning statement at the time and there was this much dithering over whether to charge him. I suppose it could have been something he said later but that seems less likely.

The article almost makes it sound to me like conversations they pulled off his PC.

Which I believe would be suppressed. you can't just go on a fishing expedition in someones life. You have to have PC that it would be connected to the "crime" before you could get a warrant for that info.....which I doubt they got. I'm sure it was a subpoena instead...or a coerced "consent".

Posted: 5/26/2012 2:39:21 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:

ZIMMERMAN TRIAL OUTRAGE

Certainly Mr. Zimmerman made a tremendous mistake in not obeying the dispatcher’s orders to remain in his vehicle until police arrived.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/25/zimmerman-trial-outrage/

F'F'F'F'F'k

Even the Times is still peddling the lie Zman disobeyed a direct order which was given before he left his truck.

Can someone tell us if a Dispatcher in Sanford, Florida has the authority to order anyone to do anything?

No, but it's irrelevant as the dispatcher at no time ordered/asked GZ to stay in his car/truck not did he ask GZ to stop following the kid. He simply said, you do not have to do that - GZ said OK and walked back toward the mailboxes.

I swear is it really that hard to keep track of this case? There are not that many twists.

No it isn't hard at all. I just wanted to be sure. I understand that the Dispatcher didn't order him to do anything but no matter the evidence in their face, some people don't believe that. I want to make sure that even if the Dispatcher did order him to do something he didn't have the authority to do it.

Is it so hard to understand wanting to cover all angles? Wanting to shut down the EMO non-logic thrown out by race baiters? From what is out there it isn't hard to understand at all. Some people just need their twists straightened.

If they would read/listen to what the Dispatcher tells DZ when he first reports the suspicious person. Than most people with common sense would see that he was following what the Dispatcher was telling him to do.

Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he’s coming to check me out, he’s got something in his hands, I don’t know what his deal is.

Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok

Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?

Dispatcher: Yeah we’ve got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.

Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.

Dispatcher: So it’s on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?

Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left…uh you go straight in, don’t turn, and make a left. Shit he’s running.

Dispatcher: He’s running? Which way is he running?

Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.

Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he’s heading towards?

Zimmerman: The back entrance…fucking [unintelligible]

Dispatcher: Are you following him?

Zimmerman: Yeah

Dispatcher: Ok, we don’t need you to do that.

Zimmerman: Ok

But they ignore it and they ignore the rest of the facts that show that Baby Trayvon Jesus was not the second coming of Obama.

That what the White-Peruivan Half Black Hispanic Democrat is not the Cold Blooded Murderer that the MSM made him out to be.

But my fingers have been screaming this since day one and now have blisters on them. So it is time for a break.

Where's Bama when you need a voice of reason.

Ed

Posted: 5/26/2012 3:12:25 PM EDT

[#15]

I put this "what if" in one of the other Zimmerman threads - the point being that Martin would have beat anyone that his pot-induced paranoid mind told him was a threat. There are countless scenarios of Martin hearing some of a one sided conversation and concluding that ANYONE was stalking him...
––––––––
What happens if your pet gets lost, and as you drive around your neighborhood looking...
You start calling a neighbor... "he
just came back from the Vet, yes, no, yes - he was neutered, and he's
angry at me and ran away... yes, he's on drugs and acting strangely...
yes, no, he's black, I'm getting out of my car here because I think I
saw him... I'm going to keep looking until I find him".
Some transient petty theif named Mayvan Tartin hears half the
conversation - he thinks you're following him - describing him - and he
doesn't like being stalked, he only likes being the stalker. You get
beat up, nearly killed (or killed) by Mayvan - you go buy a gun and attend the
Neighborhood Watch meetings.
It could happen as easily as George Zimmerman's episode.
Don't beat up your neighbors - and you reduce the chances of being shot.

Posted: 5/26/2012 4:05:42 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

I put this "what if" in one of the other Zimmerman threads - the point being that Martin would have beat anyone that his pot-induced paranoid mind told him was a threat. There are countless scenarios of Martin hearing some of a one sided conversation and concluding that ANYONE was stalking him...

––––––––

What happens if your pet gets lost, and as you drive around your neighborhood looking...

You start calling a neighbor... "hejust came back from the Vet, yes, no, yes - he was neutered, and he'sangry at me and ran away... yes, he's on drugs and acting strangely...yes, no, he's black, I'm getting out of my car here because I think Isaw him... I'm going to keep looking until I find him".

Some transient petty theif named Mayvan Tartin hears half theconversation - he thinks you're following him - describing him - and hedoesn't like being stalked, he only likes being the stalker. You getbeat up, nearly killed (or killed) by Mayvan - you go buy a gun and attend theNeighborhood Watch meetings.

It could happen as easily as George Zimmerman's episode.

Don't beat up your neighbors - and you reduce the chances of being shot.

My neighbors are Hispanic... they have a dog that is named Blackie, but in Spanish. I cringe whenever their dog gets out and they run thru the neighborhood calling his name.

Posted: 5/26/2012 5:19:43 PM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I put this "what if" in one of the other Zimmerman threads - the point being that Martin would have beat anyone that his pot-induced paranoid mind told him was a threat. There are countless scenarios of Martin hearing some of a one sided conversation and concluding that ANYONE was stalking him...

––––––––

What happens if your pet gets lost, and as you drive around your neighborhood looking...

You start calling a neighbor... "hejust came back from the Vet, yes, no, yes - he was neutered, and he'sangry at me and ran away... yes, he's on drugs and acting strangely...yes, no, he's black, I'm getting out of my car here because I think Isaw him... I'm going to keep looking until I find him".

Some transient petty theif named Mayvan Tartin hears half theconversation - he thinks you're following him - describing him - and hedoesn't like being stalked, he only likes being the stalker. You getbeat up, nearly killed (or killed) by Mayvan - you go buy a gun and attend theNeighborhood Watch meetings.

It could happen as easily as George Zimmerman's episode.

Don't beat up your neighbors - and you reduce the chances of being shot.

My neighbors are Hispanic... they have a dog that is named Blackie, but in Spanish. I cringe whenever their dog gets out and they run thru the neighborhood calling his name.

Oooh yeah... that's poor form.

Posted: 5/26/2012 6:31:07 PM EDT

[#18]

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The anti crowd have a lot invested in this case. Just scanning the Brady site and all their current top stories are tied in with Zimmerman.

they want a shot at the title....they were hoping this was their chance....

Posted: 5/27/2012 6:46:09 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If he does not end up taking the stand his statements will never be used.

How do you figure?

Kind of hard to believe he made some damning statement at the time and there was this much dithering over whether to charge him. I suppose it could have been something he said later but that seems less likely.

The article almost makes it sound to me like conversations they pulled off his PC.

Why would you pull someones Computer for a self defense shooting. Its pretty obvious that Zimmerman didnt know Trayvon and didnt plan to go murder him

Why would you charge someone with murder, 2nd, without sufficient evidence to support?

Read the article, tell me what you get out of it.

Nothing about the way they are handling this makes sense unless you are willing to assume the worst.

Here, pulled the part of interest:

O'Mara also asked the judge to withhold what he said were thousands of emails received by the Sanford police about the case, some of which are racially charged, and Zimmerman's own text messages, emails and journal entries obtained by prosecutors as part of their evidence gathering.

I get you and think the entire thing reaks. I just dont see how you could justify in a search warrant to take someones computer or diaries or what else have you about an incident that is obvioulsy not premeditated. I just dont see how they make that jump and how a judge signs off on it. its like me hitting a pedestrian in the street and them seizing my boat looking for evidence. How is one related to the other in any way shape or form?

Posted: 5/27/2012 8:36:05 AM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If he does not end up taking the stand his statements will never be used.

How do you figure?

Kind of hard to believe he made some damning statement at the time and there was this much dithering over whether to charge him. I suppose it could have been something he said later but that seems less likely.

The article almost makes it sound to me like conversations they pulled off his PC.

Why would you pull someones Computer for a self defense shooting. Its pretty obvious that Zimmerman didnt know Trayvon and didnt plan to go murder him

Why would you charge someone with murder, 2nd, without sufficient evidence to support?

Read the article, tell me what you get out of it.

Nothing about the way they are handling this makes sense unless you are willing to assume the worst.

Here, pulled the part of interest:

O'Mara also asked the judge to withhold what he said were thousands of emails received by the Sanford police about the case, some of which are racially charged, and Zimmerman's own text messages, emails and journal entries obtained by prosecutors as part of their evidence gathering.

I get you and think the entire thing reaks. I just dont see how you could justify in a search warrant to take someones computer or diaries or what else have you about an incident that is obvioulsy not premeditated. I just dont see how they make that jump and how a judge signs off on it. its like me hitting a pedestrian in the street and them seizing my boat looking for evidence. How is one related to the other in any way shape or form?

They want GZ's computers and text to show his state of mind. To prove that he was a racist with a capital "R".

That is how they got a judge to sign off on the search warrant. All of the 911 calls that GZ made in the couple of years about suspicious people were Black. So they can prove that he was:

1) Racist and Bias against Black people and
2) that he profiled the people in the neighborhood (ie. Blacks were commenting the crimes)

And since GZ and his Attorney are not going to tell them what they want to know. They go to what really is the best source, ie his computer. Where nothing is really deleted and all your secrets are reveled.

Ed

Posted: 5/27/2012 8:53:23 AM EDT

[#21]

I don't see George's after-the-fact statements being worth much.

Ever been stung by a hornet? Did you like hornets more afterward? - or did you feel differently toward hornets?

Same thing here. I don't see anything directly involved with the incident as admissible.

Did you like blacks before one tried to kill you? (why yes, I actually tutored young ones in math) - George, why is it that a week after a black man tried to kill you that you wrote in an email "I shouldn't have said "he looks black" to the dispatcher - because now Sharpton, Jackson, and ALL THEIR TYPES are on me LIKE WHITE ON RICE". AHA! George, you're obviously racist - you've obviously always been racist.

I don't know what it's like to have a Korean almost kill me, but I'd think afterward I would have a negative attitude toward Korean looking people.

Posted: 5/27/2012 9:52:55 AM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

I don't see George's after-the-fact statements being worth much.

Ever been stung by a hornet? Did you like hornets more afterward? - or did you feel differently toward hornets?

Same thing here. I don't see anything directly involved with the incident as admissible.

Did you like blacks before one tried to kill you? (why yes, I actually tutored young ones in math) - George, why is it that a week after a black man tried to kill you that you wrote in an email "I shouldn't have said "he looks black" to the dispatcher - because now Sharpton, Jackson, and ALL THEIR TYPES are on me LIKE WHITE ON RICE". AHA! George, you're obviously racist - you've obviously always been racist.

I don't know what it's like to have a Korean almost kill me, but I'd think afterward I would have a negative attitude toward Korean looking people.

Well to be honest I had a hornets nest in the ground by my shed, I didn't bother them and they didn't bother me until one dayyyy

I had 2 of them fly up and zap my ass, the next day I torched the hornet's nest and those pricks haven't been back in 5 years

Posted: 5/27/2012 1:21:48 PM EDT

[#23]

Interesting quote from the Drudge link to the cannibal incident in South Beach:

Sergeant Altarr Williams, supervisor of Miami police’s Homicide Unit, said a man doesn’t have to be armed to be dangerous.

“There are other ways to injure people,’’ Williams said. “Some people know martial arts, others are very strong and can kill you with their hands.’’

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/05/26/2818832/naked-man-shot-killed-on-macarthur.html#storylink=cpy

Posted: 5/27/2012 1:50:10 PM EDT

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