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Posted: 8/26/2005 3:10:41 PM EDT
The UN Wants Your Guns

Michael E. Cook

To all you gun owners and those who like your freedoms
and rights I want to give you a heads up. The United
Nations is working very hard on a treaty that would
impose a world wide ban on civilian ownership of
firearms. The UN in New York held an international
conference on July 11th through the 15th. In
attendance were many nations and lots of gun ban
groups. They hope to have this treaty ready for every
nation to sign by next year. So you say how would this
effect me as a gun owner, well I'll tell you. Any
treaty that is signed trumps the Constitution and our
bill of rights as I understand the law. That means if
some president we elect would sign this then it would
affect every citizen in America that owns a firearm.
Can you just imagine what would happen if Hilary
Clinton was elected our next president?

I along with many others in the pro-gun movement see
this as the single largest threat we will ever endure
to our rights to keep and bear arms in America. This
fight could be of great effect on our national
sovereignty, and our individual freedoms for the
future of our nation and children. I believe this
threat to be far worse than our war on terrorism that
we are now fighting. I can't stress any stronger what
this would do to us for generations to come.

The fight must start with your vote, it is more
important now than ever that we elect people with
strong pro-gun stances to every elected office in this
nation right down to those we elect to city councils.
We must send a strong and clear message to them all
that we will not stand for this threat to our freedoms
and the nation we all love a fight to keep free.

I see this as the catalyst for the next world war and
civil war right here on our soil. The cost in human
life and our freedoms would be far too great. I like
many of you would not go softly into the next years
without putting up a fight. I'm an old man and if they
kill me the world wouldn't lose much, however I worry
about my children and grand children and what they
would face in the future. My only hope is that God
will smile on America once more and help us through
this fight.

Once this starts it will not be a good thing for
anyone. Our future and our world as we know it would
be worse than the holocaust in Germany. Perhaps this
is the start of the great world war that will start
the thousand years of piece prior to the end of the
world. I don't know but it sure is looking bad from my
saddle.

I tell you all of this so that you can prepare for
what I believe to be the hardest fight we will have in
the future and hope that we can stop it with our very
important vote instead of having to take up arms and
fight the hard way. I have been to war and it is not a
good thing, as they say war is hell. This means we
will all have to sacrifice as much as possible in the
next year and help people like the National Rifle
Association and other pro-gun organizations as much as
possible to get the right people elected to office.
This will mean we must each reach down as far as
possible and give tell it hurts with financial aid and
writing letters and making phone calls to get the
right people in office all over this land of ours.

You won't hear or see much on the main stream media
about this yet because >they don't want you to get up
in arms and fight this until it is sprung on you at
the last minute. It's the old mushroom syndrome to
keep you in the dark until you're picked. If you are
not a member of the NRA or other pro-gun organizations
please join now as our strength is in numbers with
those in office. This may be the single most important
thing you do to insure that America and our freedoms
endure for years to come. Please take the time to be
informed about this and other issues and put up the
fight that I know you are all able to do. Even if you
are not a gun owner this could affect your life and
quality of life for future generations. We need your
help also. If we lose our rights then America is
finished for good.

It's time for the United Nations to go away and leave
our soil for good. When nations like Great Britain,
Sweden, the Netherlands, France, Japan, and Belgium
are attemp! ting to tell us how to live. Most if not
all other nations owe there way of life to us and our
freedoms and our people who are the best in the world
with weapons because we have the freedom and rights to
use them and own them. Now they want to control us and
make us slaves like their own subjects. I think not.

God Bless America and God bless our troops still in
harms way.

Michael E. Cook, Coos County Sheriff, Retired.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:13:14 PM EDT
Why the fuck would I listen to the UN?
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:13:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2005 3:13:59 PM EDT by afplayboy18]
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:13:57 PM EDT
Blue helmets make GREAT targets!
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:15:50 PM EDT
they can have my guns, bullits first
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:16:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:21:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2005 3:22:37 PM EDT by SWO_daddy]

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.



The amount of ignorance about how the US Government works displayed by some here is amazing.

BTW, the NRA has been tracking this shit for over a year. Old fucking news.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:21:59 PM EDT
And it wouldn't be Pakistani soldiers collecting them. Deputy Joe will just be enforcing the new law of the land.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:22:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.



that very well may be but do you still think any president that signed it would be free from harm??
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:23:53 PM EDT
no bullshit treaties trump the constitution. The constitution is what gives our government the power to enter into treaties in the first place. Whether or not the government tries to ignore this fact is another manner. I don't know the man who wrote that peice, but if this ever comes to pass I will be honored to fight along side him for justice, freedom, and the United States Constitution.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:28:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.



that very well may be but do you still think any president that signed it would be free from harm??



I wasn't disagreeing with the article. I agree, the first line of defense is having a President who will refuse to sign any such treaty.

But he isn't king and his word is not law. The Constitution is explicitly clear about treaties.

Uh, and SWO_daddy, that IS how it works.



Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:28:56 PM EDT
MOLON LAVE
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:29:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2005 3:29:45 PM EDT by WizardOfAhs]

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.



The amount of ignorance about how the US Government works displayed by some here is amazing.

BTW, the NRA has been tracking this shit for over a year. Old fucking news.



1. It CAN happen here. We as Americans have already lost a ton of rights, incrementally and the antis are close to making that "final push".

2. For some, it's not "Old fucking news", so, go piss on your own threads.

ETA: If you think the NRA can save you from this crap, then you're sadly mistaken.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:30:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.



that very well may be but do you still think any president that signed it would be free from harm??



I wasn't disagreeing with the article. I agree, the first line of defense is having a President who will refuse to sign any such treaty.

But he isn't king and his word is not law. The Constitution is explicitly clear about treaties.

Uh, and SWO_daddy, that IS how it works.






I know exactly how it works. I was referring to the chicken littles who freak out if the prez signs it. He may as well be signing a scrap of toilet paper if the Senate doesn't ratify.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:33:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.



that very well may be but do you still think any president that signed it would be free from harm??



I wasn't disagreeing with the article. I agree, the first line of defense is having a President who will refuse to sign any such treaty.

But he isn't king and his word is not law. The Constitution is explicitly clear about treaties.

Uh, and SWO_daddy, that IS how it works.






I know exactly how it works. I was referring to the chicken littles who freak out if the prez signs it. He may as well be signing a scrap of toilet paper if the Senate doesn't ratify.



Umm, candygram!

Uhh yeah, the Senate is full of Anti-Gun big government liberals, you can bet your ass they WILL sign it. If you think otherwise, I want some of what you've been smokin'.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:37:44 PM EDT
I don't think that a treaty can trump a provision of the constitution or bill of rights. That would allow an end-run around the amendment process. IIRC, that was one of the reasons for the trail of tears, where the Cherokee and other civilized tribes were forced to Oklahoma. The President couldn't sign a treaty which would alter the borders of a State without violating the Constitution.

Anyway, if the blue helmets do come, should we bury or burn the piles of their dead?

Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:39:36 PM EDT
ill shoot em when they knock on the door, cold dead hands etc... blahblahblah

Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:40:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
ill shoot em when they knock on the door, cold dead hands etc... blahblahblah




Screw that! I'll be waiting for them at the beach.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:42:18 PM EDT
Vote from the rooftops.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:48:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:49:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sq40:
www.firearmsrights.com/pics/blue_helmet.gif



that's nice, but i'd put the 10 ring lower, and make the other rings bonus points
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:51:13 PM EDT
Life would get pretty hary when they came to pick up those "surrendered" guns.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:53:50 PM EDT
All joking aside, the UN wont come in to take your guns. It will be the people you know that live in your community that are "just doing their job".
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:56:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/26/2005 3:56:39 PM EDT by leelaw]

Originally Posted By falaholic1:

Originally Posted By sq40:
www.firearmsrights.com/pics/blue_helmet.gif



that's nice, but i'd put the 10 ring lower, and make the other rings bonus points



Link Posted: 8/26/2005 3:58:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.



The amount of ignorance about how the US Government works displayed by some here is amazing.

BTW, the NRA has been tracking this shit for over a year. Old fucking news.


And no treaty can be ratified that trumps national sovereignty.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 4:01:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kroagnon:

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By afplayboy18:
if any president were to sign that treaty their day in office would end shortly.

most likely by a bullet to the head



UN Treaties still have to be ratified in the senate before they take effect in the US.



The amount of ignorance about how the US Government works displayed by some here is amazing.

BTW, the NRA has been tracking this shit for over a year. Old fucking news.


And no treaty can be ratified that trumps national sovereignty.



Actually, they can. Article VI of the Constitution:

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 4:09:03 PM EDT
You need to read "The Hologram of Liberty" By Bostn T. Party. He outlined this senario back when he wrote the book. He also goes into detail how treaties work it is a good read adn very well researched.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 4:11:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bobby_the_Hun:
MOLON LAVE



"Come and wash them"???


Link Posted: 8/26/2005 4:14:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
ill shoot em when they knock on the door, cold dead hands etc... blahblahblah




If they were to make it all the way to my door, I have given all I can give.
I pass the torch.

Anyone who would wait for the wolves to actually step foot on their own property, won't do a goddamn thing when they get there. They will roll over.

Link Posted: 8/26/2005 4:22:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sq40:
All joking aside, the UN wont come in to take your guns. It will be the people you know that live in your community that are "just doing their job".


You mean these people?
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 4:27:52 PM EDT
if it happens all out civil uprising will take place
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 4:34:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sq40:
All joking aside, the UN wont come in to take your guns. It will be the people you know that live in your community that are "just doing their job".



That excuse didn't work very well when the nazi's tried to use it after WWII did it??? I'm afraid it won't sit too well this time either...
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 4:59:06 PM EDT
It's just a ruse to get what they really want: our pre-pubescent sons.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 5:01:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bushwacker85:
Why the fuck would I listen to the UN?



I certainly hope there are enough of you with the same attitude to render the UN useless... Well, more useless than it already is...
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 5:04:05 PM EDT
C'mon over and get 'em !. I'll be waitin' !.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 5:10:02 PM EDT
all i can say is GET SOME arfcom!
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 5:10:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:

Actually, they can. Article VI of the Constitution:

This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land



That just means that they trump state law. The "laws of the United States" are Congressional acts and they don't trump the bill of right either.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 5:13:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Breycor:
The UN Wants Your Guns

Michael E. Cook

To all you gun owners and those who like your freedoms
and rights I want to give you a heads up. The United
Nations is working very hard on a treaty that would
impose a world wide ban on civilian ownership of
firearms. The UN in New York held an international
conference on July 11th through the 15th. In
attendance were many nations and lots of gun ban
groups. They hope to have this treaty ready for every
nation to sign by next year. So you say how would this
effect me as a gun owner, well I'll tell you. Any
treaty that is signed trumps the Constitution and our
bill of rights as I understand the law. That means if
some president we elect would sign this then it would
affect every citizen in America that owns a firearm.
Can you just imagine what would happen if Hilary
Clinton was elected our next president?

I along with many others in the pro-gun movement see
this as the single largest threat we will ever endure
to our rights to keep and bear arms in America. This
fight could be of great effect on our national
sovereignty, and our individual freedoms for the
future of our nation and children. I believe this
threat to be far worse than our war on terrorism that
we are now fighting. I can't stress any stronger what
this would do to us for generations to come.

The fight must start with your vote, it is more
important now than ever that we elect people with
strong pro-gun stances to every elected office in this
nation right down to those we elect to city councils.
We must send a strong and clear message to them all
that we will not stand for this threat to our freedoms
and the nation we all love a fight to keep free.

I see this as the catalyst for the next world war and
civil war right here on our soil. The cost in human
life and our freedoms would be far too great. I like
many of you would not go softly into the next years
without putting up a fight. I'm an old man and if they
kill me the world wouldn't lose much, however I worry
about my children and grand children and what they
would face in the future. My only hope is that God
will smile on America once more and help us through
this fight.

Once this starts it will not be a good thing for
anyone. Our future and our world as we know it would
be worse than the holocaust in Germany. Perhaps this
is the start of the great world war that will start
the thousand years of piece prior to the end of the
world. I don't know but it sure is looking bad from my
saddle.

I tell you all of this so that you can prepare for
what I believe to be the hardest fight we will have in
the future and hope that we can stop it with our very
important vote instead of having to take up arms and
fight the hard way. I have been to war and it is not a
good thing, as they say war is hell. This means we
will all have to sacrifice as much as possible in the
next year and help people like the National Rifle
Association and other pro-gun organizations as much as
possible to get the right people elected to office.
This will mean we must each reach down as far as
possible and give tell it hurts with financial aid and
writing letters and making phone calls to get the
right people in office all over this land of ours.

You won't hear or see much on the main stream media
about this yet because >they don't want you to get up
in arms and fight this until it is sprung on you at
the last minute. It's the old mushroom syndrome to
keep you in the dark until you're picked. If you are
not a member of the NRA or other pro-gun organizations
please join now as our strength is in numbers with
those in office. This may be the single most important
thing you do to insure that America and our freedoms
endure for years to come. Please take the time to be
informed about this and other issues and put up the
fight that I know you are all able to do. Even if you
are not a gun owner this could affect your life and
quality of life for future generations. We need your
help also. If we lose our rights then America is
finished for good.

It's time for the United Nations to go away and leave
our soil for good. When nations like Great Britain,
Sweden, the Netherlands, France, Japan, and Belgium
are attemp! ting to tell us how to live. Most if not
all other nations owe there way of life to us and our
freedoms and our people who are the best in the world
with weapons because we have the freedom and rights to
use them and own them. Now they want to control us and
make us slaves like their own subjects. I think not.

God Bless America and God bless our troops still in
harms way.

Michael E. Cook, Coos County Sheriff, Retired.



Breycor

I have shaken your hand more than once. You know and I know there are people like us always who will observe the struggle, no matter the cost, no matter if the Sherrif's office supports the movement or not.



Link Posted: 8/26/2005 5:18:23 PM EDT
Guess, the ATF better have lots of SCUBA certified divers to find the items of all the boating accidents.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 5:24:16 PM EDT
If they want them, let them come and get them, they have no real power to do anything.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 5:44:10 PM EDT
I hope you plan to head for the hills when it's ratified. They won't be coming door to door. Do you work? Go to the grocery store? Drive on the roads?

They won't be coming door to door. It won't be the UN doing it either.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 7:31:43 PM EDT


I swear sometimes you guys are like a bunch of 12 year old boys, sitting around a campfire at night telling ridiculous spook stories to each other.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 8:17:16 PM EDT
The UN Wants Your Guns... So,what else is new?
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 8:27:50 PM EDT
You're a daisy if ya do.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 8:32:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FN-TPS:


I swear sometimes you guys are like a bunch of 12 year old boys, sitting around a campfire at night telling ridiculous spook stories to each other.



Just to be clear..... I'm not worried at this point. When it starts being talked about in the political circles then I'll start fitting my tin-foil.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 8:33:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FN-TPS:


I swear sometimes you guys are like a bunch of 12 year old boys, sitting around a campfire at night telling ridiculous spook stories to each other.



Beats burying your head in the sand.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 8:35:16 PM EDT
The UN can come and get them.......I'm ready.
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 8:41:35 PM EDT
A treaty CANNOT trump the Constitution.



Even though a court-martial does not give an accused trial by jury and other Bill of Rights protections, the Government contends that Art. 2 (11) of the UCMJ, insofar as it provides for the military trial of dependents accompanying the armed forces in Great Britain and Japan, can be sustained as legislation which is necessary and proper to carry out the United States' obligations under the international agreements made with those countries. The obvious and decisive answer to this, of course, is that no agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or on any other branch of Government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution.

Article VI, the Supremacy Clause of the Constitution, declares:


"This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; . . . ."

There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution. * * *

The prohibitions of the Constitution were designed to apply to all branches of the National Government and they cannot be nullified by the Executive or by the Executive and the Senate combined.
There is nothing new or unique about what we say here. This Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty. 33 For example, in Geofroy v. Riggs, 133 U.S. 258, 267 , it declared:


"The treaty power, as expressed in the Constitution, is in terms unlimited except by those restraints which are found in that instrument against the action of the government or of its departments, and those arising from the nature of the government itself and of that of the States. It would not be contended that it extends so far as to authorize what the Constitution forbids, or a change in the character of the [354 U.S. 1, 18] government or in that of one of the States, or a cession of any portion of the territory of the latter, without its consent."

This Court has also repeatedly taken the position that an Act of Congress, which must comply with the Constitution, is on a full parity with a treaty, and that when a statute which is subsequent in time is inconsistent with a treaty, the statute to the extent of conflict renders the treaty null. 34 It would be completely anomalous to say that a treaty need not comply with the Constitution when such an agreement can be overridden by a statute that must conform to that instrument.



Link Posted: 8/26/2005 8:56:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 8:59:46 PM EDT
and George Soros (moveon.org) is going to pay for it all
Link Posted: 8/26/2005 9:43:47 PM EDT
FUCK the U.N
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