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Posted: 9/10/2013 9:26:28 AM EDT
From The New Republic







This, apparently, is how diplomacy happens these days: Someone makes an off-hand remark at a press conference and triggers an international chain reaction that turns an already chaotic and complex situation completely on its head, and gives everyone a sense that, perhaps, this is the light at the end of the indecision tunnel.


Speaking in London next to British Foreign Secretary William Hague on Monday, Secretary of State John Kerry said that perhaps the military strike around which the administration has been painfully circling for weeks could be avoided if Bashar al-Assad can "turn over every single bit of his chemical weapons to the international community in the next week. Turn it over, all of it, without delay, and allow a full and total accounting for that.”


The fact that Kerry immediately followed with, "But he isn’t about to do it, and it can’t be done, obviously,” didn't seem to bother anyone. (Probably because they were focusing on his other slip-up: callingthe promised strikes "unbelievably small.")


The Russians immediately jumped on the impromptu proposal, calling Kerry to check if he was serious before going live with their proposal to lean on Syria. An hour later, they trotted out Syria's foreign minister, Walid al-Mouallem, who said he too was down with the proposal, which was a strange way to get the Syrians to finally admit they even had chemical weapons to begin with. Before long, United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon, the English, and the French were all on board, too.




Meanwhile, back in Washington, the White House was just as surprised as anyone. Asked if this was a White House plan that Kerry had served up in London, Deputy National Security Advisor Tony Blinken was unequivocal. "No, no, no," he said. "We literally just heard about this as you did some hours ago."


So that's good. At least everyone's on the same page.


While the Russians are already cutting deals and drumming up promises from the Syrians—with whom, as they've insisted for years, they have no leverage—and as the world lines up on the off-ramp, the White House was still marshalling its case for a military strike, trotting out National Security Advisor Susan Rice, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, and poor Tony Blinken, who was left making the case for two mutually exclusive things: "We'll talk to the Russians," he kept repeating even as he hammered on the intelligence and the need to degrade, deter, et cetera, et cetera.  


Last night, President Barack Obama, who, just over a week ago, had said he was ready to act, tells the nation's cable watchers that he's now discussing this bogus plan with Russian President Vladimir Putin, and that he's "going to take this very seriously" while also not letting up on the drumbeat of military strikes while. On Tuesday, Syria said it had accepted Russia's proposal and France said it would seek the UN Security Council's backing for the proposal.

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Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:34:47 AM EDT
Amateurs got played by professionals? Say it ain't so!
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:37:03 AM EDT
Obungo got pawned. Checkmate. What an embarrassing incompetent, empty suit, community organiser.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:37:47 AM EDT
Yep.........his mouth wrote a check is ass couldnt cash


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Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:38:52 AM EDT
Obama is just glade he has an excuse to back down. Kerry's gaffe canceled Obama's "red line" gaffe, because the Russians and Syrians were quick to take advantage of it.

Obama doesn't care if he got played as long as he and the media pretend otherwise.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:39:39 AM EDT
After 5 years infesting the White House and zero is still not qualified to be President.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:47:54 AM EDT
The Zero administration is playing tic tac toe while Syria and Russia are playing chess!
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:48:58 AM EDT
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Obama is just glade he has an excuse to back down. Kerry's gaffe canceled Obama's "red line" gaffe, because the Russians and Syrians were quick to take advantage of it.

Obama doesn't care if he got played as long as he and the media pretend otherwise.
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Your second sentence sums the whole thing up perfectly.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:50:37 AM EDT
Don't forget the FSA/MB/Al Qaeda rebels, who more than likely got this ball rolling by releasing the chem agents in the first place.  

So for those keeping score, FBHO (and by extension, we ) got taken to school by both sides in a civil war, and a non-combatant nation.   Forward!!!  

Apply Kenyan foreign policy to WWII, and we would have bombed the French and ended up being defeated by the Chileans.  
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:52:42 AM EDT
punk ass community organiser....what a bitch
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:52:48 AM EDT
LOL!! Putin just dick slapped barry!!
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 9:57:30 AM EDT
So long as we don't become involved militarily in the Syrian Civil War I'm fine with it. Obama could have bungled us into WW3.
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First post nails it again

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Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:03:10 AM EDT
I really hope this episode will finally expose this scumbag for the incompetent boob he is, but I doubt it....
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:04:23 AM EDT
So no strike and Syria is giving up its weapons.  How did Syria/Assad come out on top? Seems like only the American people and Russia benefitted from this outcome.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:05:13 AM EDT
I so wanted to hear Sen. Feinstein tell Bashir to turn them in, turn ALL OF THEM in, Mr. Assad.
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After 5 years infesting the Whine Haus and zero is still not qualified.
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slightly modified.
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Assad is still in power. The military has not been reduced or damaged. And there may well be no way to account/manage all of the chemical weapons. All of the problems Obama highlighted in the past week still exist. The US has gained nothing.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:11:06 AM EDT
Russia's President is smarter than our president.
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Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:14:31 AM EDT
In before we see a picture of Putin riding a chemical weapon.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:15:20 AM EDT
The cult like denial of reality from some of the commenters on that article are just amazing. I mean sure you're going to expect some true believers at the new republic but wow...
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Just like they got all of the unregistered handguns out of NYC, right?

Even under ideal circumstances, compliance with a "No chemical weapons" policy would be practically impossible to enforce... how are you supposed to do it in a country in civil war?  
What about the chemical weapons that the rebels have?
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Just like they got all of the unregistered handguns out of NYC, right?

Even under ideal circumstances, compliance with a "No chemical weapons" policy would be practically impossible to enforce... how are you supposed to do it in a country in civil war?  
What about the chemical weapons that the rebels have?
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Just like they got all of the unregistered handguns out of NYC, right?

Even under ideal circumstances, compliance with a "No chemical weapons" policy would be practically impossible to enforce... how are you supposed to do it in a country in civil war?  
What about the chemical weapons that the rebels have?

Well I frankly didnt know so I asked and that parrellel is particularly helpful in comprehending the situation.
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Assad doesn't need chem to win his civil war.  About the only thing that could mess him up is - outside intervention.  Assad has won.
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Syria isn't giveing up shit.

First of all, how you going to get them out? Load them up on C-17s and fly them to Kentucky? Or drive them to a port and hope the rebels don't hit it with an IED?

Also, remember, the Russians are buddies with Syria. If it benefits Russia it does Syria.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:41:54 AM EDT
Tonights speech is going to be fun.
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Because Russia is a huge ally and supporter of the Syrian regime.

It's like having Holder account for the NSA's wiretaping.
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Furious rewriting is going on as we speak. Luckily 0 doesn't have to memorize anything- he just reads.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:44:39 AM EDT
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Well I frankly didnt know so I asked and that parrellel is particularly helpful in comprehending the situation.
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So no strike and Syria is giving up its weapons.  How did Syria/Assad come out on top? Seems like only the American people and Russia benefitted from this outcome.


Just like they got all of the unregistered handguns out of NYC, right?

Even under ideal circumstances, compliance with a "No chemical weapons" policy would be practically impossible to enforce... how are you supposed to do it in a country in civil war?  
What about the chemical weapons that the rebels have?

Well I frankly didnt know so I asked and that parrellel is particularly helpful in comprehending the situation.


Fair enough... sorry, didn't mean to be snippy... It's just frustrating to watch the MSM eat this shit up at face value.
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Syria isn't giveing up shit.

First of all, how you going to get them out? Load them up on C-17s and fly them to Kentucky? Or drive them to a port and hope the rebels don't hit it with an IED?

Also, remember, the Russians are buddies with Syria. If it benefits Russia it does Syria.
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So no strike and Syria is giving up its weapons.  How did Syria/Assad come out on top? Seems like only the American people and Russia benefitted from this outcome.


Syria isn't giveing up shit.

First of all, how you going to get them out? Load them up on C-17s and fly them to Kentucky? Or drive them to a port and hope the rebels don't hit it with an IED?

Also, remember, the Russians are buddies with Syria. If it benefits Russia it does Syria.


stamp some of the stuff they have in russia to make it look like it came from Syria and turn it over, DUH!

honestly when you get down to it, the war is Syria will be keep going by the surrounding countries because it make them more stable.  The get to send off there "freedom" fighters for the time being and hope to rid of them for good
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:53:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:59:42 AM EDT
zero didn't want to hurt any of his family
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 10:59:44 AM EDT
I guess the icing on the cake, would be if this was all a charade on Assad's and Putin's part. In so much as, there really were/are no chemical weapons in Syria's arsenal.
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So, you think the Russians are gonna take their boy's chemical weapons?

 



















The Russians might change the lock on the chemical storage shed, but that's about it.










There will be carte blanche for Russian advisors to have run of Syria, sending UN pawns where they want while Assad crushes the FSA.  










Russia/Putin still have their player in the ME, under their control, doing as they wish.  Assad is the big fish in his little pond with his billions, hot wife and free run of much of the world in which to spend it.  Big win for Moscow/Damascus.










Obama plays hero in the beltway and the fool for the rest of the world










Americans do get to avoid another war Zero came damn close to starting, so that is a good thing, but we lost world stret cred  in the deal due to f Zero/Clinton/Kerry ME foreign policy.  So a draw for America in a game we shouldn't have started.
















 
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So, you think the Russians are gonna take their boy's chemical weapons?  


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The Russians might change the lock on the chemical storage shed, but that's about it.




There will be carte blanche for Russian advisors to have run of Syria, sending UN pawns where they want while Assad crushes the FSA.  





 


There will have to be a force on the ground to protect the chemical weapons.



This means Russian peacekeepers in the middle of regime territory, who will of course be free to return fire when the inevitable FSA mortar flies in their direction.
 
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how did assad come out on top?

1) he gets to stay in power.
2) the us isn't shooting missiles at him.
3) he actually CAN use chemical weapons now, and blame it on the terrorists. after all, it wasn't HIM. he gave all his chemical weapons to the russians. seriously. just ask them...

Link Posted: 9/10/2013 12:12:55 PM EDT
Phew, that was some tough diplomacy. Glad we got over that hurdle. Probably time for Obama to take a vacation and unwind.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 12:17:41 PM EDT
Every failure of Obama is a victory for the Republic.
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He is going to come out smelling like a rose.



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I really hope this episode will finally expose this scumbag for the incompetent boob he is, but I doubt it....




He is going to come out smelling like a rose.





Yep.  They'll play it as though his Excellency's brilliance and clever international strategizing were able to peacefully resolve the situation.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 12:47:38 PM EDT
Russia changes the "plan"

I can't wait to hear zero's train wreck speech tonight. The big boy commies just wiped the floor in state-craft with the little girl commies.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 12:49:47 PM EDT
Read today that when Obama went to the GOP lunch today everyone in the room started clapping.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 12:51:00 PM EDT
FBHO
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Yeah, sure, Syria is giving up its weapons. Right.

Obozo is looking for a "solution" where he can come out of it without looking like an idiot. Russia is trying working to ensure its client state comes out on top in the civil war. How do think this will play out?
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Russia changes the "plan"



I can't wait to hear zero's train wreck speech tonight. The big boy commies just wiped the floor in state-craft with the little girl commies.
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they saw how well Iran's stall tactics have worked thus far..  thats all Russia is doing.  Stalling.



 
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Americans do get to avoid another war Zero came damn close to starting, so that is a good thing, but we lost world stret cred  in the deal due to f Zero/Clinton/Kerry ME foreign policy.  So a draw for America in a game we shouldn't have started.
 
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I don't think Obama was going to go to war. He was going to launch a couple of missles in order to look tough. All this did was give Obama a fig leaf and save us the cost of a few missles.
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Yep.  They'll play it as though his Excellency's brilliance and clever international strategizing were able to peacefully resolve the situation.



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He is going to come out smelling like a rose.


Yep.  They'll play it as though his Excellency's brilliance and clever international strategizing were able to peacefully resolve the situation.





Nobel Peace Prize material, unquestionably.  They ought to just hang a tree full of them in the White House so he can just pluck one down whenever he feels like it.
Link Posted: 9/10/2013 12:59:04 PM EDT
Obama should just let Putin write his speech for tonight.
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