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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:01:30 PM EDT
No reviews via Youtube yet and all I've seen is pics which make me
 And at 2 grand it's got me very curious about it since the Springfield is around 1400.00 Any of you guys have one? |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:03:10 PM EDT
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No reviews via Youtube yet and all I've seen is pics which make me
And at 2 grand it's got me very curious about it since the Springfield is around 1400.00 Any of you guys have one? |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:05:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No reviews via Youtube yet and all I've seen is pics which make me And at 2 grand it's got me very curious about it since the Springfield is around 1400.00 Any of you guys have one? http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.5037838885128507&pid=1.7  |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:06:45 PM EDT
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Never heard of a Rockola M1A., just the M1 Carbine.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:09:34 PM EDT
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James River has always had nice stuff. I would assume the same carried over to their M14 series as well.
What kind of parts kits are they using? New manufacturer barrel and receiver but what about bolt, trigger group ect? |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:10:29 PM EDT
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Never heard of a Rockola M1A., just the M1 Carbine. James River Armory bought the name Rockola to manufacture an M14 rifle. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:12:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:12:43 PM EDT
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Never heard of a Rockola M1A., just the M1 Carbine. James River Armory bought the name Rockola to manufacture an M14 rifle. Oh. Sounds stupid. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 4:14:27 PM EDT
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Never heard of a Rockola M1A., just the M1 Carbine. James River Armory bought the name Rockola to manufacture an M14 rifle. I have an old Rockola carbine. I'd rather it have ended with those. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 6:56:46 PM EDT
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Read some reviews and assembly postings. No major complaints on them that I have read. Also seems Rock Ola wants to be involved with builds, such as any problems or hiccups.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 6:58:58 PM EDT
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what kind of receiver?
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Posted: 11/17/2013 6:59:42 PM EDT
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I have heard that they are outstanding and dimensionally, correct
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:01:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's an M14F, not an M1A. 
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:02:16 PM EDT
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what kind of receiver? Would be interesting to know what kind of receiver it is. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:06:21 PM EDT
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what kind of receiver? Would be interesting to know what kind of receiver it is. Hmm, Jedi mind trick.. 
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:06:42 PM EDT
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I just ordered one.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:08:04 PM EDT
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Would be interesting to know what kind of receiver it is. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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what kind of receiver? Would be interesting to know what kind of receiver it is. From the link above: Forged receiver machined from 8620 forging and fully heat treated Not Cast
Well know brand new Criterion Chrome lined barrel New Forged bolt Not Cast Original USGI Walnut stock set refinished rated excellent Core parts are USGI , Trigger group, Oprod and Gas cylinder RockOla / James River Factory Warranty Ships with Owners info, hardcase and 1 -20 round mag That said, I have no idea how good, or bad, these are. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:11:11 PM EDT
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If I had an extra $2k to spend right now I would order one right now.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:17:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:21:32 PM EDT
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I have no money!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:34:55 PM EDT
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Misleading title. I have parts to build(assemble) another M14.
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:36:31 PM EDT
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield?
You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:42:23 PM EDT
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what kind of receiver? Would be interesting to know what kind of receiver it is. Hmm, Jedi mind trick..
Like I asked. Wonder who is actually .manufacturing the receiver for them. Just about the only ones doing them now are SA, LRB and Enterprise. Don't think I would get a new one unless it was made by a reputable manufacturer. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:46:21 PM EDT
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. This. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:47:01 PM EDT
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. because some of us think that Sainc are junk and it's the off brand product. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:50:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: because some of us think that Sainc are junk and it's the off brand product. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right? As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. because some of us think that Sainc are junk and it's the off brand product. this, but they still have some people fooled. Any rifle sa, inc has produced since they ran out of usgi parts has been a pile of crap. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:54:41 PM EDT
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I thought I read that "M1A" is a Springfield Armory branding of their semi-auto M14. Just like M14F is the model branding for James River. Hpoefully Different will be along to correct me if I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:55:46 PM EDT
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this, but they still have some people fooled. Any rifle sa, inc has produced since they ran out of usgi parts has been a pile of crap. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. because some of us think that Sainc are junk and it's the off brand product. this, but they still have some people fooled. Any rifle sa, inc has produced since they ran out of usgi parts has been a pile of crap. I think people are confusing Springfield armory inc with Springfield national armory. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 7:56:56 PM EDT
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because some of us think that Sainc are junk and it's the off brand product. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. because some of us think that Sainc are junk and it's the off brand product. I am more than happy for you to prove that with your money. 
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:00:52 PM EDT
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. In this case, if the James River/Rockola folks are using actual drop-forged receivers that are dimensionally true, drop-forged bolts, and chrome-lined barrels, then they're ahead of Springfield Armory, Inc. at least on paper. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:02:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this case, if the James River/Rockola folks are using actual drop-forged receivers that are dimensionally true, drop-forged bolts, and chrome-lined barrels, then they're ahead of Springfield Armory, Inc. at least on paper. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right? As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. In this case, if the James River/Rockola folks are using actual drop-forged receivers that are dimensionally true, drop-forged bolts, and chrome-lined barrels, then they're ahead of Springfield Armory, Inc. at least on paper. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:12:24 PM EDT
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I am more than happy for you to prove that with your money.
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. because some of us think that Sainc are junk and it's the off brand product. I am more than happy for you to prove that with your money.
The m1a is the knock of the M14. The M1a is cast and is beefed up in areas because of it. My LRB is made more better made than my Sainc. My Sainc ha problems that the LRB doesn't. How about the rifles that "Sprongfield" mis stamped on the heels. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:16:17 PM EDT
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This is why I am waiting on the review.....Plus it looks like these guns have GI parts in them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. In this case, if the James River/Rockola folks are using actual drop-forged receivers that are dimensionally true, drop-forged bolts, and chrome-lined barrels, then they're ahead of Springfield Armory, Inc. at least on paper. Hear Hear Lets see how they work out. I am tired of chasing the latest piece of tail around the block. Only to find out . It has been recalled or is in receivership. 
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:32:38 PM EDT
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A little history on Rock-Ola.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock-Ola Website: http://www.rock-ola.com/Pages/default.aspx "The Rock-Ola Manufacturing Corporation was, along with Wurlitzer, a top maker of jukeboxes. The company, which originally made slot machines, scales and pinball machines, was founded in 1927 by Coin-Op pioneer David Cullen Rockola. Rock-Ola neon sign. During the 1920s, Rockola was linked with Chicago organized crime and escaped a jail sentence by turning State's Evidence. Starting in 1935, Rock-Ola sold more than 400,000 jukeboxes under the Rock-Ola brand name, which predated the rock and roll era by two decades, and is thought to have inspired the term. In 1977, The Antique Apparatus Company engineered, refined, and manufactured the first and finest "Nostalgic" Jukeboxes. The Antique Apparatus Company acquired the Rock-Ola Corporation and name in 1992. The company currently manufactures a variety of jukeboxes for both commercial and home entertainment. Commercial jukeboxes feature touch screens, Peavey power amps and digital downloading of music and ad content, delivered by the AMI Network. Rock-Ola continues to manufacture Nostalgic style CD-jukeboxes and has also added state-of-the-art digital touch screen technology for the home market. The Rock-Ola line of Nostalgic Music Centers was introduced in 2006. Two new music center models, the "Mystic" and the "Q" were introduced in 2008. Rockola was also the maker of shuffleboard tables from 1948-50. Considered by collectors the Cadillac of shuffleboards due to their Art Deco styling with curving woodwork and lots of chrome, they are highly sought after by players. Rock-Ola also produced and published arcade video game machines in the early 1980s such as Fantasy with the most successful in-house game developed being Nibbler. Rock-Ola was also one of the producers of the M1 carbine for the US Military during WWII, making 3.7% of the 6,221,220 made. Due to both the relative rarity of Rock-Ola carbines and the distinctive name, they are highly prized among collectors." |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:36:45 PM EDT
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I thought I read that "M1A" is a Springfield Armory branding of their semi-auto M14. Just like M14F is the model branding for James River. Hpoefully Different will be along to correct me if I'm wrong. Yes. M1A is trademarked to Springfield Armory Inc.. |
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Posted: 11/17/2013 8:55:35 PM EDT
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I've never had problems with my SA M1A.
Would I rather have an LRB? Yes. Still, my SA has treated me just fine.
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:05:29 AM EDT
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. Save money? This one is more expensive. 
Forged receiver machined from 8620 forging and fully heat treated Not Cast
Well know brand new Criterion Chrome lined[/span] barrel New Forged bolt Not Cast Original USGI Walnut stock set refinished rated excellent [span style='color: blue;']Core parts are USGI , Trigger group, Oprod and Gas cylinder[/span] RockOla / James River Factory Warranty Ships with Owners info, hardcase and 1 -20 round mag See the stuff in blue? The M1A has none of that. Some will tell you that forged and cast make no difference. They might be right, but just pointing it out. Were I in the market for an M14 clone, this would receive more consideration. As it is, my Polytech M14S has a forged receiver and chrome lined barrel. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:10:51 AM EDT
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I thought I read that "M1A" is a Springfield Armory branding of their semi-auto M14. Just like M14F is the model branding for James River. Hpoefully Different will be along to correct me if I'm wrong. Yes. M1A is trademarked to Springfield Armory Inc.. Yes sir, but there are those who call all M14 clones "M1A" and get all huffy when you point out this very thing. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:16:26 AM EDT
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Yes sir, but there are those who call all M14 clones "M1A" and get all huffy when you point out this very thing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I thought I read that "M1A" is a Springfield Armory branding of their semi-auto M14. Just like M14F is the model branding for James River. Hpoefully Different will be along to correct me if I'm wrong. Yes. M1A is trademarked to Springfield Armory Inc.. Yes sir, but there are those who call all M14 clones "M1A" and get all huffy when you point out this very thing. I always though it was the designation for a semi-auto M14, like AR15 being the term for semi-auto M16/M4. It's become a generic term like kleenex and vaseline.
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:33:35 AM EDT
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I always though it was the designation for a semi-auto M14, like AR15 being the term for semi-auto M16/M4. It's become a generic term like kleenex and vaseline.
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I thought I read that "M1A" is a Springfield Armory branding of their semi-auto M14. Just like M14F is the model branding for James River. Hpoefully Different will be along to correct me if I'm wrong. Yes. M1A is trademarked to Springfield Armory Inc.. Yes sir, but there are those who call all M14 clones "M1A" and get all huffy when you point out this very thing. I always though it was the designation for a semi-auto M14, like AR15 being the term for semi-auto M16/M4. It's become a generic term like kleenex and vaseline.
There are those who use it as a generic term. They are wrong just like calling all AR-15 clones "AR-15" is wrong. Also, the AR-15 was full auto before the military adopted it as the M-16 so the name "AR-15" does not mean a semiauto M16. Later, Colt started producing semiauto AR-15s and stamped them as such. People should call things what they are marked as. I sure as hell don't want my M14S referred to as an M1A. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:51:38 AM EDT
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what kind of receiver? Would be interesting to know what kind of receiver it is. From the link above: Forged receiver machined from 8620 forging and fully heat treated Not Cast
Well know brand new Criterion Chrome lined barrel New Forged bolt Not Cast Original USGI Walnut stock set refinished rated excellent Core parts are USGI , Trigger group, Oprod and Gas cylinder RockOla / James River Factory Warranty Ships with Owners info, hardcase and 1 -20 round mag That said, I have no idea how good, or bad, these are. That sounds pretty damn good, better then a Springfield M1A. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 5:02:53 AM EDT
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So the only difference between a James River 14F and a older Springfield M1A built with GI parts is the receiver?
OP, you might be able to find an older Springfield with GI parts and save a little scratch. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 5:17:24 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/18/2013 5:30:22 AM EDT
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. I had three M1A's from Springfield. Two of them needed to go back to them practically right out of the box. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 5:52:18 AM EDT
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. Ever put a Springfield next to a real USGI M14? Huge difference. No comparison for fit and finish. Springfield looks sloppy next to the real thing. This gun is closer to a real deal M14 with more real USGI parts. Springfield is built of nothing but aftermarket copies of USGI parts. Same reason why people pay premium for Colt instead of bare bones dpms oracle. Better steel, more durable, etc. James river is not an "off brand" btw, I think as others have pointed out you are confusing Springfield Armory Inc. with the original Springfield Armory that was the U.S. arsenal. The original closed down in the 60s or 70s. Almost no real M14 or M1A rifles are in civilian hands, the government did not allow for them to be sold to the public. Clinton ordered most of the ones in storage destroyed, if your curious look up "U.S. government captain crunch". Spoiler alert: you'll either be pissed or cry watching perfectly good rifles being crunched up for scrap metal. Only Leo agencies and the military still have the government made ones. What we are talking about here, and what you see for sale are all parts builds from kits (not really even complete kits, basically the left over usually mismatched parts of demilled M14s). Some have more USGI parts than others. Current production Springfield Incs have no original parts. Not trying to nock Springfield. I just know what they are. They are usually pretty accurate. I used to own one that was stupid accurate. It wasn't until I got to shoot a real USGI that I wanted something else and sold it. Now I want an LRB or James River. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 3:34:32 PM EDT
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This is why I am waiting on the review.....Plus it looks like these guns have GI parts in them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Might be totally off base here but if it is 2K why wouldn't you buy a Springfield? You buy a off brand product to save money right?
As a purist Rockola only made carbines. My Underwood carbine pisses on this thread. In this case, if the James River/Rockola folks are using actual drop-forged receivers that are dimensionally true, drop-forged bolts, and chrome-lined barrels, then they're ahead of Springfield Armory, Inc. at least on paper. You might want to change your thread title to "Rockola M14F". I thought at first glance at the thread title you were talking about an M1 Carbine but just to the numbers mixed up or something. Plus, that rifle is not an M1A. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 3:48:09 PM EDT
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It's a Frankin M1A. Put together out of parts and assembled by anyone they can hire.
The quality of the receiver and bolt may be top notch. Even the best. But that thing is never going to hold the value of a Springfield. For better or worse they felt at 1400$ the entire rifle should be new. Are we really arguing for used parts at 2K.
At that price point I never want to replace that barrel with a match one. These rifles will never hold the value of the Norinco or Springfield until they are listed in the Blue book. Which both are. Please check the price of your absolutely perfectly built AK47 on a Nodak spud receiver. You should never stand for a used part on a 2,000$ rifle.
How hard is it to have barrels turned to proper dimensions and then chrome lined even better than US GI. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 3:56:04 PM EDT
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It's a Frankin M1A. Put together out of parts and assembled by anyone they can hire. The quality of the receiver and bolt may be top notch. Even the best. But that thing is never going to hold the value of a Springfield. For better or worse they felt at 1400$ the entire rifle should be new. Are we really arguing for used parts at 2K.
At that price point I never want to replace that barrel with a match one. These rifles will never hold the value of the Norinco or Springfield until they are listed in the Blue book. Which both are. Please check the price of your absolutely perfectly built AK47 on a Nodak spud receiver. You should never stand for a used part on a 2,000$ rifle.
How hard is it to have barrels turned to proper dimensions and then chrome lined even better than US GI. It states that it is a NEW chrome lined Criterion barrel which are very good barrels. It's not an M1A. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:02:42 PM EDT
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It's a Frankin M1A. Put together out of parts and assembled by anyone they can hire. The quality of the receiver and bolt may be top notch. Even the best. But that thing is never going to hold the value of a Springfield. For better or worse they felt at 1400$ the entire rifle should be new. Are we really arguing for used parts at 2K.
At that price point I never want to replace that barrel with a match one. These rifles will never hold the value of the Norinco or Springfield until they are listed in the Blue book. Which both are. Please check the price of your absolutely perfectly built AK47 on a Nodak spud receiver. You should never stand for a used part on a 2,000$ rifle.
How hard is it to have barrels turned to proper dimensions and then chrome lined even better than US GI. It states that it is a NEW chrome lined Criterion barrel which are very good barrels. It's not an M1A. See I just kept seeing US GI thrown around. Do they just sell the receivers. Like Mauser's I would totally prefer to build my own and avoid throwing half the rifle out. 
With a Springer that is a much cheaper way to go. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:05:14 PM EDT
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I bought one of the first M14s that James River Armory offered a couple of years ago. 7.62mm Firearms was building forged receivers for them at the time but with JRA's name on the receiver heel instead of 7.62mm's name.
That said, my rifle works fine and is well built: Forged receiver, Criterion barrel, all other parts are USGI TRW parts. |
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Posted: 11/18/2013 4:08:15 PM EDT
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See I just kept seeing US GI thrown around. Do they just sell the receivers. Like Mauser's I would totally prefer to build my own and avoid throwing half the rifle out.
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It's a Frankin M1A. Put together out of parts and assembled by anyone they can hire. The quality of the receiver and bolt may be top notch. Even the best. But that thing is never going to hold the value of a Springfield. For better or worse they felt at 1400$ the entire rifle should be new. Are we really arguing for used parts at 2K.
At that price point I never want to replace that barrel with a match one. These rifles will never hold the value of the Norinco or Springfield until they are listed in the Blue book. Which both are. Please check the price of your absolutely perfectly built AK47 on a Nodak spud receiver. You should never stand for a used part on a 2,000$ rifle.
How hard is it to have barrels turned to proper dimensions and then chrome lined even better than US GI. It states that it is a NEW chrome lined Criterion barrel which are very good barrels. It's not an M1A. See I just kept seeing US GI thrown around. Do they just sell the receivers. Like Mauser's I would totally prefer to build my own and avoid throwing half the rifle out.
With a Springer that is a much cheaper way to go. Did you go read what was at the link? |
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