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Posted: 9/15/2005 5:04:07 PM EDT
You watchin?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:05:01 PM EDT
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Shit, I already knew that.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:05:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Shit, I already knew that.



Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:05:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By captainpooby:
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Shit, I already knew that.[/qu
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:07:44 PM EDT
Here's a summary:


"The federal gravy train is coming in boys ... YEEE HAWWW uncle sugar will take care of you ... AT ANY COST"


spend spend spend

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:11:29 PM EDT
blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, and finally in closing here is a check, god bless
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:12:20 PM EDT
Sqeeky wheel gets the oil. In this case, it's the squeeling piglets! At least it will not be as big a boon-doggle as was the original fund for the levy. Looks like they are actually using the money for useful stuff, however misplaced. A BIG CHANGE FOR THE FG!
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:14:45 PM EDT
Sounds like affirmative action will be the prominent practice in rebuilding NO
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:15:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 5:17:55 PM EDT by thedave1164]
heck, it is even worse than I thought, heck he sounds more socialist than LBJ


minority bs


homesteading in NO?


sounds like a massive ED in the waiting
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:19:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Langadune:
Sounds like affirmative action will be the prominent practice in rebuilding NO



I wonder if it will be a better experiment than Gaza is turning out to be?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:20:13 PM EDT
WHAT? Bush said when 2 guys tried to break into a house the home owners invited them in. WTF?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:20:23 PM EDT
He really disappionts me on domestic issues.

Uncle MoneyBags to the rescue.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:21:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedave1164:
heck, it is even worse than I thought, heck he sounds more socialist than LBJ


minority bs


homesteading in NO?


sounds like a massive ED in the waiting



Congratulations Jesse Jackson, you win.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:21:36 PM EDT
Here come the call for new federal authority
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:23:15 PM EDT
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:23:18 PM EDT
only even more government can save us!!
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:23:48 PM EDT
Armed forces active in the borders! Here we go...

Just wait until someone like Billary get's in! Grab you ankles!

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:24:57 PM EDT
Did you catch what he said about making it easier for the Feds to bring in the military?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:26:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"






Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:26:24 PM EDT
I'm offshore and not able to get to a TV right now..can anyone give me a quick summary of his speech?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:26:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 5:28:49 PM EDT by JoseyWales]
Got I HATE MSNBC!

Reminicing on LBJ.....barf
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:27:06 PM EDT
Weak, I'm constantly dissappointed that he doesn't address core, difficult issues like poverty, racial divide.

D minus at best.

Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:28:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mucor:
Weak, I'm constantly dissappointed that he doesn't address core, difficult issues like poverty, racial divide.

D minus at best.




meh
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:28:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mucor:
Weak, I'm constantly dissappointed that he doesn't address core, difficult issues like poverty, racial divide.

D minus at best.




Why the FUCK would he address "racial divide?" As if we don't have enough race-card poker players coming out of the woodworks...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:28:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Sorry, I disagree, we had real men in power in the early years of this country that would not have done the same. There have been other disasters and the men and women affected by them pulled themselves up with some help from their neighbors. It is not the federal governments responsibility to spend us into oblivion.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:29:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mucor:
Weak, I'm constantly dissappointed that he doesn't address core, difficult issues like poverty, racial divide.

D minus at best.






Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:29:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I'm offshore and not able to get to a TV right now..can anyone give me a quick summary of his speech?



Spend money and suspend Posse Commitatus.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:30:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedave1164:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Sorry, I disagree



I know you do. But you're ignoring history to do so.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:31:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Why not?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:31:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I'm offshore and not able to get to a TV right now..can anyone give me a quick summary of his speech?



Spend money and suspend do away with Posse Commitatus.




fixed it
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:32:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedave1164:
blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, blah, blah, blah, here is a check, and finally in closing here is a check, god bless



I heard the exact same thing. I was just waiting to hear something about convictions of CONVISCATORS...nothin'
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:32:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedave1164:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I'm offshore and not able to get to a TV right now..can anyone give me a quick summary of his speech?



Spend money and suspend do away with Posse Commitatus.




fixed it



Did you see his eyes when he said it?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:33:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mucor:
Weak, I'm constantly dissappointed that he doesn't address core, difficult issues like poverty, racial divide.



way, way too late for that one. Never to be repaired or approximated.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:34:22 PM EDT
I decided not to watch...nothing he says at this point will change the fact that we are basically screwed. I dont even care any longer. Short of living off the grid at the edge of some national forest, one really has no recourse but to pay our extortion money (taxes) into the system and financially support so many things that will prove over time to have been a waste.

Hell, bring on hillary at this point, does it even fucking matter any more?
Take my guns, take my rights, take my money.....the founding fathers would vomit if they could see the current state of affairs. I truly believe that.

I can hardly wait until the next big election swing to see how this storm gets brought into the debate. Bush's domestic policy is a sad and pathetic example, and an embarrasment for true conservatives.

Funny how no one in the media has been talking about war on terror lately...guess it isnt selling as well as the weather is these days. Just as well, we are so busy trying to win 'hearts and minds' that we have pretty much neglected the original idea which was to kill the enemy
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:34:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Why not?




I am awarding you my "best post so far" award for this thread.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:35:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 5:40:58 PM EDT by thedave1164]

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By thedave1164:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I'm offshore and not able to get to a TV right now..can anyone give me a quick summary of his speech?



Spend money and suspend do away with Posse Commitatus.




fixed it



Did you see his eyes when he said it?



I thought I was the only one that noticed it....


almost evil

Like Berenger when he shoots Defoe in Platoon
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:36:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedave1164:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Sorry, I disagree, we had real men in power in the early years of this country that would not have done the same. There have been other disasters and the men and women affected by them pulled themselves up with some help from their neighbors. It is not the federal governments responsibility to spend us into oblivion.



Maybe the quality of your neighbors isn't the same anymore. I wouldn't expect any of my neighbors to help me, when they had lost a lot of their shit too. What do you do when you're out of work because you are self employed? Why pay taxes if you can't eventually get a little help.

You seem to forget that honest, tax paying citizens were in this as well.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:36:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Why not?



Davy Crockett was never president.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:39:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Why not?



Davy Crockett was never president.



Was there a gist to this response?

Or are you merely remarking upon the fact that Mr. Crockett made an honest go of being true member of his community, and operating as a representative within the bounds of our Constitution?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:40:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Did you catch what he said about making it easier for the Feds to bring in the military?




I bet most govenors will shit can that! They like their control, regardless of those idiots on display the past few weeks
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:40:43 PM EDT
Let's finance all this with a $2.00 per gallon gas tax. Then let the public decide.

It shocks me that people get violent about paying $500 more a year on fuel, but don't bat an eye at the money they pay in taxes...
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:41:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Why not?



Davy Crockett was never president.



Was there a gist to this response?



The gist is, Crockett never had the responsibility of representing the whole country.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:41:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By thedave1164:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I'm offshore and not able to get to a TV right now..can anyone give me a quick summary of his speech?



Spend money and suspend do away with Posse Commitatus.




fixed it



Did you see his eyes when he said it?




what did they look like?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:44:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

The gist is, Crockett never had the responsibility of representing the whole country.



Cool. So the minute you represent the country, you may instantly at any point step beyond the bounds of your office?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:44:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Red_Beard:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By thedave1164:

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I'm offshore and not able to get to a TV right now..can anyone give me a quick summary of his speech?



Spend money and suspend do away with Posse Commitatus.




fixed it



Did you see his eyes when he said it?




what did they look like?



Hard to explain but if you watched the whole speech his gaze was pretty steady. When he mentioned making it easier for the feds to bring in troops he kinda blinked, as if he was listening to himself and said WTF?
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:50:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Why not?



Davy Crockett was never president.



Although I enjoyed the article on Crockett, I can't help but wonder if 'promoting the general welfare' does not include disaster relief by .gov? When a couple Million people are affected, does that not qualify as 'general' enough to warrant relief?

I'm not advocating GIVING anybody anything...but shouldn't .gov have a program to lend money interest free for rebuilding homes and businesses? Notice I specify 'lend' the money as in FHA loans, etc. Giving scumbags free gratis monetary gifts do NOTHING to restore those peoples living quarters. It does pump money into the economy, but does nothing to sustain it.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 5:57:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pcsutton:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
I don't care if it's Reagan or freaking George Washington, ANY president is going to spend money on a disaster like this. What do you actually EXPECT? The President to come out and say "Damn shame about all those homeless poor black people. Hope they get jobs in Texas and wherever?"



Why not?



Davy Crockett was never president.



Although I enjoyed the article on Crockett, I can't help but wonder if 'promoting the general welfare' does not include disaster relief by .gov? When a couple Million people are affected, does that not qualify as 'general' enough to warrant relief?

I'm not advocating GIVING anybody anything...but shouldn't .gov have a program to lend money interest free for rebuilding homes and businesses? Notice I specify 'lend' the money as in FHA loans, etc. Giving scumbags free gratis monetary gifts do NOTHING to restore those peoples living quarters. It does pump money into the economy, but does nothing to sustain it.




Lend money, hell no. An entire city, their city needs to be rebuilt. Bus 'em back to base camp and put them to work, ya know a JOB, and pay them to clean up THEIR city. Fuck the handouts. Put them to work.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:05:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:

Lend money, hell no. An entire city, their city needs to be rebuilt. Bus 'em back to base camp and put them to work, ya know a JOB, and pay them to clean up THEIR city. Fuck the handouts. Put them to work.



While I wouldn't have said it quite this way, this is the spirit of my argument.

I suppose I only play devil's advocate against RikWriter, because I lament the loss of family and community as social units in our society. There was a time when these people would have been left well enough alone, and would have already been working to rebuild their lives, instead of standing around waiting for a handout.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:06:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

The gist is, Crockett never had the responsibility of representing the whole country.



Cool. So the minute you represent the country, you may instantly at any point step beyond the bounds of your office?



That's your take. I disagree with your characterization of the proposals made. I disagree with some of them philosophically, but I don't think they entail stepping beyond his constitutional authority.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:10:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/15/2005 6:11:13 PM EDT by KnobCreek]

Originally Posted By mattimeo:

Originally Posted By KnobCreek:

Lend money, hell no. An entire city, their city needs to be rebuilt. Bus 'em back to base camp and put them to work, ya know a JOB, and pay them to clean up THEIR city. Fuck the handouts. Put them to work.



While I wouldn't have said it quite this way, this is the spirit of my argument.

I suppose I only play devil's advocate against RikWriter, because I lament the loss of family and community as social units in our society. There was a time when these people would have been left well enough alone, and would have already been working to rebuild their lives, instead of standing around waiting for a handout.



Dude, not directed at you, but at the ongoing and pervasive belief in hand-outs.
Link Posted: 9/15/2005 6:16:12 PM EDT
Well, this ought to push this nation's imminent economic collapse up by a few years. Maybe it'll come before the Chicoms are ready to take us on. Could work out for the best in the long run if you consider an economic collapse "for the best".

Who'd have thought that the greatest socialist President of the past 3 decades would be a two term Republican. This is only the beginning.
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