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Posted: 5/31/2008 10:38:36 AM EST
As some may know, I am currently in a police academy.
This week (one month in), we began firearms training.
We spent three days doing classroom stuff and drills, with live fire on the fourth day for pre-qualification.
I have been a shooter for a little while, but I have zero formal training.
Let me tell you that I learned more about how to shoot in 4 days than I have learned in 4 years.
Every minute was educational, and I feel that by the time I complete firearms training I will be prepared to deal with most situations.

Now, for some details about the training.
Forget the traditional "stand at the line, draw, and fire" training of days gone by.
My department's current training regimen emphasizes movement.
We drilled on tactical reloads, dry reloads, clearing malfuncations, one handed reloads, you name it.
I am incredibly impressed at how "combat" oriented this training course is.
Even though this is only our first week of firearms training, I feel very confident in what they are teaching us.

When we finish our training, we will have 4 qualifications courses to pass.
1)Pistol marksmanship
2)Shotgun marksmanship
3)Combat pistol course
4)Combat shotgun course

A few observations

If you are a gun guy, you must come to training with the mindset that you know nothing.
Another "gun" guy in my class got himself into trouble for arguing with an instructor that "this is the way I learned to do it."
Shut up, and listen to what the instructor tells you - they are in that position for a reason.

Again, as I said in my other post, the guys dragging extra weight are hurting.
They cannot move as fast, as smoothly, or shoot as well as the in shape guys.

People who had previous training really shone when we shot our pre-qual course.
My closest friend in the academy, a former uniformed USSS guy, caught a lot of flack from instructors for his shooting stance.
They called him "hollywood" and told him to not learn how to shoot from TV.
When we shot, he dropped round after round in tight groups - thats when the instructors looked at his file.
A former NSA police officer in our class also shot very, very well.

The NY1 trigger is the bane of my existence.
Whoever thought it was a good idea should be made to shoot with it.
That said, I know it can be used effectively with more training.

Our pre-qual course was two strings of 50 rounds each.
25 rounds at the 7 yard line, followed by 25 yards at the 15 yard line.
Target was the classic Q.

Since I know you will ask, I shot a 90.
It would have been 100, but one of my shots cut the line of the target.
As I said before, I hate the NY1 trigger.
Were it not for that trigger, I would have shot far, far better than I did.
No point to complain though - that is what I am issued, so I will train harder.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 5:43:28 PM EST
7 hours and not a single reply?
We wear BDUs while we shoot, if that will generate any response.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 5:45:55 PM EST
Tagscribed. I missed out on your first thread.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 5:47:16 PM EST
I'm unfamiliar with the "Classic Q"

Is it anything like this?



Thanks for your service.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 5:51:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
7 hours and not a single reply?
We wear BDUs while we shoot, if that will generate any response.


Fucking JBT
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 5:59:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:
...
I have been a shooter for a little while, but I have zero formal training.
...


Yet you've been pontificating on issues of weapons and tactics around here like you've got six tours under your belt.

Good luck with your academy work, btw, and thanks for your service.

DN
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:04:57 PM EST
For the dog targets, do they have a special one or do they just turn a standard silhouette on its side? Inquiring minds want to know

Seriously, glad it's going well for you.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:05:14 PM EST
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:05:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By DarkNite:


Yet you've been pontificating on issues of weapons and tactics around here like you've got six tours under your belt.



DN


Perhaps I missed your point ??

5sub
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:07:17 PM EST
How many weeks long is the academy?

How many miles do you think you're running now?
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:11:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2008 6:12:07 PM EST by thedoctors308]

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
How many weeks long is the academy?

How many miles do you think you're running now?


Roughly 20 more weeks of academic left, then 10 weeks of FT.
Ran 3.5 miles to one of our district station houses then 3.5 miles back Friday.
Dunno how much we actually run usually, daily PT is only for the guys who failed Cooper.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:12:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
How many weeks long is the academy?

How many miles do you think you're running now?


Roughly 20 more weeks of academic left, then 10 weeks of FT.
Ran 3.5 miles to one of our district station houses then 3.5 miles back Friday.
Dunno how much we actually run usually, I'm exempt from morning PT because of my scores.


Your scores?
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:15:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
How many weeks long is the academy?

How many miles do you think you're running now?


Roughly 20 more weeks of academic left, then 10 weeks of FT.
Ran 3.5 miles to one of our district station houses then 3.5 miles back Friday.
Dunno how much we actually run usually, I'm exempt from morning PT because of my scores.


Your scores?


If you pass the cooper standards by a certain margin you get an exemption from morning PT.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:19:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kylaer_:
For the dog targets, do they have a special one or do they just turn a standard silhouette on its side? Inquiring minds want to know

Seriously, glad it's going well for you.


We are supposed to shoot dangerous and wounded animals with shotguns loaded with 00 buck.


Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
Trigger reset.


That was suggested by a few people, so thanks.
I will keep that at the front of my mind next training session.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:20:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By 5subslr5:

Originally Posted By DarkNite:


Yet you've been pontificating on issues of weapons and tactics around here like you've got six tours under your belt.



DN


Perhaps I missed your point ??

5sub


Just ribbing Doc a bit after his countless authoritative treatises on topics such as how a carbine is superior to a shotgun and other common chestnuts. Now he admits he's never had a lick of formal training.

BTW, it looks like his PD are going to stick him with a shotgun, which has a ring of poetic justice to it if you ask me. I'd like to hear what he thinks of its' strengths and weaknesses after he has some real training with one.

In any case I hope all goes well for you, Doc. Good luck and stay safe in your new career!

DN
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:22:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2008 6:26:37 PM EST by cluster]
I disagree with 99% of the bs that comes from your keyboard..


with that said.
I wish you luck ..


stay safe..

Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:25:27 PM EST

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
How many weeks long is the academy?

How many miles do you think you're running now?


Roughly 20 more weeks of academic left, then 10 weeks of FT.
Ran 3.5 miles to one of our district station houses then 3.5 miles back Friday.
Dunno how much we actually run usually, I'm exempt from morning PT because of my scores.


Your scores?


If you pass the cooper standards by a certain margin you get an exemption from morning PT.


What is NY1 and what is Cooper standards ?
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:32:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By ohiobob:

What is NY1 and what is Cooper standards ?


The NY1 is a heavy trigger pull (9 + lbs) installed on a Glock for safety reasons
. Cooper standards are the methods taught by Col. Cooper, the "father" of handgun training in recent times. 99% of "firearms instructors" use his training regimen and methods even if they call it something else.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 6:33:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By Quintin:
Tagscribed. I missed out on your first thread.
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 7:14:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By danc46:

Originally Posted By ohiobob:

What is NY1 and what is Cooper standards ?


The NY1 is a heavy trigger pull (9 + lbs) installed on a Glock for safety reasons
. Cooper standards are the methods taught by Col. Cooper, the "father" of handgun training in recent times. 99% of "firearms instructors" use his training regimen and methods even if they call it something else.


Thank you sir
Bob
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 7:19:45 PM EST
go to ft. benning for 16 weeks, patrol the DMZ for (classified), complete desert training then deploy to saudi arabia, come home, turn around and (classified), then get back to me.

it's all good though.., cops are cool.. unless they get the big head thinking they're something they ain't.

Link Posted: 5/31/2008 7:47:51 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2008 7:48:41 PM EST by Cold]
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 7:49:13 PM EST
OST
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 7:53:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2008 7:54:16 PM EST by THellURider]

Originally Post by DarkKnight:
Yet you've been pontificating on issues of weapons and tactics around here like you've got six tours under your belt.

Good luck with your academy work, btw, and thanks for your service.

DN


+1



Originally Posted By cluster:
I disagree with 99% of the bs that comes from your keyboard..


with that said.
I wish you luck ..


stay safe..



+1


and and

Link Posted: 5/31/2008 7:59:49 PM EST
tag
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 10:00:41 PM EST

Originally Posted By jrkarp:
tag



What he said
Link Posted: 5/31/2008 10:15:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 5/31/2008 10:16:49 PM EST by Motor05]

Originally Posted By danc46:

Originally Posted By ohiobob:

What is NY1 and what is Cooper standards ?


The NY1 is a heavy trigger pull (9 + lbs) installed on a Glock for safety reasons
. Cooper standards are the methods taught by Col. Cooper, the "father" of handgun training in recent times. 99% of "firearms instructors" use his training regimen and methods even if they call it something else.


I think, in this context, Cooper Standards refers to their physical training...cooper standards link.

Congrats Doc....good on you.
Like Bama said, trigger reset, trigger reset, trigger reset, trigger reset...and some more trigger reset. That is probably the single thing that, once a shooter grasps, helps their shooting the most.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 4:42:14 PM EST
Glad you are having a good time dude!
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 4:42:50 PM EST
Glad you are having a good time dude!
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 4:47:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/6/2008 4:48:25 PM EST by ARmory04]

Originally Posted By danc46:

Originally Posted By ohiobob:

What is NY1 and what is Cooper standards ?


The NY1 is a heavy trigger pull (9 + lbs) installed on a Glock for safety reasons
. Cooper standards are the methods taught by Col. Cooper, the "father" of handgun training in recent times. 99% of "firearms instructors" use his training regimen and methods even if they call it something else.


Cooper Standards are the physical fitness measurements that quite a lot of Dept.'s use....

But that was a good laugh.....



Edit for GrAhmmAr...


Link Posted: 6/6/2008 4:50:16 PM EST
The NY1 is a heavy trigger pull (9 + lbs) installed on a Glock for safety reasons
. Cooper standards are the methods taught by Col. Cooper, the "father" of handgun training in recent times. 99% of "firearms instructors" use his training regimen and methods even if they call it something else.


Cooper standards are the physical fitness requirements, and have nothing to do with Col. Cooper of renowned firearms fame. But I see I was already beaten to the punch.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 4:53:27 PM EST
are you the funny noises guy in your class or is somebody else?



good luck!
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 4:59:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By dvickery:
go to ft. benning for 16 weeks, patrol the DMZ for (classified), complete desert training then deploy to saudi arabia, come home, turn around and (classified), then get back to me.


Yeah, everyone who hasn't done that should go out and hang themselves.

Get over yourself. This is the third post of yours I've seen that screams "I am a raging fucking asshole!"
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 5:32:06 PM EST

Originally Posted By ARmory04:

Originally Posted By danc46:

Originally Posted By ohiobob:

What is NY1 and what is Cooper standards ?


The NY1 is a heavy trigger pull (9 + lbs) installed on a Glock for safety reasons
. Cooper standards are the methods taught by Col. Cooper, the "father" of handgun training in recent times. 99% of "firearms instructors" use his training regimen and methods even if they call it something else.


Cooper Standards are the physical fitness measurements that quite a lot of Dept.'s use....

But that was a good laugh.....



Edit for GrAhmmAr...




Glad you gotta a laugh out of it.
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