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Posted: 8/2/2005 6:39:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 6:39:54 AM EDT by panzersergeant]
So, in 1943 the US Navy was working on a project to make ships "disappear." Were they successful? Were aliens involved in any way?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:42:46 AM EDT
Yes, and what is really interesting is that [Content deleted by Government Agency]

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:43:15 AM EDT
They made a documentary...

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:44:02 AM EDT
Better get some of this

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:44:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
They made a documentary...

www.alyon.org/generale/theatre/cinema/affiches_cinema/p/pet-pon/philadelphia_experiment.jpg



In France?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:45:01 AM EDT
BTW if it worked... they would have used it in WWII and it would be part of every ship's defenses today.

IIRC it was just a way to get torpedos to explode before hitting the hull (like the electro-armor that defeats RPGs). Don't ask me where I got that, I can't remember. I read a lot.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:46:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By panzersergeant:

Originally Posted By macman37:
They made a documentary...

www.alyon.org/generale/theatre/cinema/affiches_cinema/p/pet-pon/philadelphia_experiment.jpg



In France?



Hey, it was all I could find in my hurried Google Image Search.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:46:46 AM EDT
Yes, it happened, and the ship is still gone. Why do you ask? Someone will be with you shortly.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:48:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:

IIRC it was just a way to get torpedos to explode before hitting the hull (like the electro-armor that defeats RPGs). Don't ask me where I got that, I can't remember. I read a lot.




Close. The big cables that were seen (and seen on other ships) were to degauss the ship, making it harder for magnetic based triggers in torpedos and mines to "see" the ship. IIRC, it was pretty standard stuff in WW2.

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:48:54 AM EDT
Do you think we will ever be told the truth???
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:49:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By macman37:

IIRC it was just a way to get torpedos to explode before hitting the hull (like the electro-armor that defeats RPGs). Don't ask me where I got that, I can't remember. I read a lot.




Close. The big cables that were seen (and seen on other ships) were to degauss the ship, making it harder for magnetic based triggers in torpedos and mines to "see" the ship. IIRC, it was pretty standard stuff in WW2.




Thanks... That sounds right, I just couldn't recall it fully!
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:49:28 AM EDT
I herd it was true from a guy that claimed to work for the CIA, he was also a navy SeAL, this was at a fun show a few years ago the guy was 400# and not a day over 30 so i took it with a grain of salt.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:54:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:56:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Do you think we will ever be told the truth???




Well, I was last week, and the CIA guy showed me a list of who was gonna be told the truth. It was long, but you weren't on it.

So, basically, for you everything's a lie. Sorry.

Even the stuff about cats.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:03:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ironoxbows:
Better get some of this

pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/93844/200.jpg



Damn... so I guess that story about Area 51 is bullshit too....






Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:05:05 AM EDT
Thomas Townsend Brown worked the project.

Get a copy of "The Hunt For Zero Point" by Nick Cook. It's a pretty good read about electrogravitics & such. Cook is a writer for Jane's and did some pretty good digging while researching the book.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:08:26 AM EDT
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:13:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



If you hurry, you can catch the last train there. I'll meet you at the station.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:18:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dvr9:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



If you hurry, you can catch the last train there. I'll meet you at the station.



Do I need a reservation?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:29:31 AM EDT
Wow, does this thread take me back. I remember reading about the Philadelphia Experiment in the 70's, in a book that was written in the 60's.

I believe the revelations back then surrounded a mystery "man" named Carl Allen, who also went by Carlos Allende. Very, very bizarre story. Allen was in ouch with other "sources" and may not have been of our world. FWIW, YMMV, IIRC.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:31:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:

Originally Posted By dvr9:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



If you hurry, you can catch the last train there. I'll meet you at the station.



Do I need a reservation?

You can be there by 4:30.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:37:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



Yeah. It's a REX-88 base where the blue helmets
will take the undesirables when the Zeta's invade
from their secret base on the dark-side of Venus.

I've said too much.

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:56:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



Not so secret base...

Unless this is some kind of inside joke I'm missing...
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:57:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



sounds like MK-Ultra

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:02:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By panzersergeant:
So, in 1943 the US Navy was working on a project to make ships "disappear." Were they successful? Were aliens involved in any way?



Yes, the ship did in fact dissapear. They're still trying to find it.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:03:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ironoxbows:
Better get some of this

pics.drugstore.com/prodimg/93844/200.jpg



That's aluminum! The government's mind controlling beams go right through that stuff!
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:04:02 AM EDT
I miss the old tinfoil hat crowd that used to be here.

I don't believe in conspiracies but I don't believe in the goverment either, so I do like to read up on many of these stories.

The one I think is true is "The Battle of Los Angeles". The anti-mine & torpedo explanation for the Philadelphia Experiments sounds logical.

I also remember that Germany covered their WWII subs in material to make them stealthier. It would have worked if the material had stood up to seawater.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:04:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By kaizoku:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



Not so secret base...

Unless this is some kind of inside joke I'm missing...

That's not the real base. That's the decoy base THEY want you to think is the real base.

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:18:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By macman37:

IIRC it was just a way to get torpedos to explode before hitting the hull (like the electro-armor that defeats RPGs). Don't ask me where I got that, I can't remember. I read a lot.




Close. The big cables that were seen (and seen on other ships) were to degauss the ship, making it harder for magnetic based triggers in torpedos and mines to "see" the ship. IIRC, it was pretty standard stuff in WW2.




Did it work?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:19:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By LUGERMAN:
Do you think we will ever be told the truth???




Well, I was last week, and the CIA guy showed me a list of who was gonna be told the truth. It was long, but you weren't on it.

So, basically, for you everything's a lie. Sorry.

Even the stuff about cats.



They really did test putting listening devices in cats. The subject ended up running into the street and got ran over, and the program was cancelled.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:22:21 AM EDT
This is not fiction i have witnessed ships dissapearing first hand as a space shuttle door gunner i see quite a bit
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:22:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:

Originally Posted By kaizoku:

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



Not so secret base...

Unless this is some kind of inside joke I'm missing...

That's not the real base. That's the decoy base THEY want you to think is the real base.




I used to pull guard duty at the "secret base" on fort hood. It was called "radar mountain."
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:24:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:27:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:

Originally Posted By Spade:

Originally Posted By macman37:

IIRC it was just a way to get torpedos to explode before hitting the hull (like the electro-armor that defeats RPGs). Don't ask me where I got that, I can't remember. I read a lot.




Close. The big cables that were seen (and seen on other ships) were to degauss the ship, making it harder for magnetic based triggers in torpedos and mines to "see" the ship. IIRC, it was pretty standard stuff in WW2.




Did it work?



Yes, the degaussing systems do work.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:45:45 AM EDT
The "Philiadelphia Experiment" shouldn't be considered a "tin foil" type of topic.

The US War Dept. Engaged in all kinds of "leading edge" and beyond experimenst during the war. You'd be surprised to know some of the folks who were assigned to the Philladelphia Naval Yard during the war.

Some of the leading sci-fi writer of the 20th century including Issac Assimov... I want to say Rober Heinlin too... I forget...


source



The "Philadelphia Experiment"

Related resources::

Office of Naval Research (ONR) fact sheet
UFO Research Guide
Photograph of USS Eldridge

Allegedly, in the fall of 1943 a U.S. Navy destroyer was made invisible and teleported from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Norfolk, Virginia, in an incident known as the Philadelphia Experiment. Records in the Operational Archives Branch of the Naval Historical Center have been repeatedly searched, but no documents have been located which confirm the event, or any interest by the Navy in attempting such an achievement.

The ship involved in the experiment was supposedly the USS Eldridge. Operational Archives has reviewed the deck log and war diary from Eldridge's commissioning on 27 August 1943 at the New York Navy Yard through December 1943. The following description of Eldridge's activities are summarized from the ship's war diary. After commissioning, Eldridge remained in New York and in the Long Island Sound until 16 September when it sailed to Bermuda. From 18 September, the ship was in the vicinity of Bermuda undergoing training and sea trials until 15 October when Eldridge left in a convoy for New York where the convoy entered on 18 October. Eldridge remained in New York harbor until 1 November when it was part of the escort for Convoy UGS-23 (New York Section). On 2 November the convoy entered Naval Operating Base, Norfolk. On 3 November, Eldridge and Convoy UGS-23 left for Casablanca where it arrived on 22 November. On 29 November, Eldridge left as one of escorts for Convoy GUS-22 and arrived with the convoy on 17 December at New York harbor. Eldridge remained in New York on availability training and in Block Island Sound until 31 December when it steamed to Norfolk with four other ships. During this time frame, Eldridge was never in Philadelphia.

Eldridge's complete World War II action report and war diary coverage, including the remarks section of the 1943 deck log, is available on microfilm, NRS-1978-26. The cost of a duplicate film is indicated on the fee schedule. To order a duplicate film, please complete the duplication order form and send a check or money order for the correct amount as indicated on the NHC fee schedule, made payable to the Department of the Navy, to the Operational Archives, at the above address.

Supposedly, the crew of the civilian merchant ship SS Andrew Furuseth observed the arrival via teleportation of the Eldridge into the Norfolk area. Andrew Furuseth's movement report cards are in the Tenth Fleet records in the custody of the Modern Military Branch, National Archives and Records Admnistration, (8601 Adelphi Road, College Park, MD 20740-6001), which also has custody of the action reports, war diaries and deck logs of all World War II Navy ships, including Eldridge. The movement report cards list the merchant ship's ports of call, the dates of the visit, and convoy designation, if any. The movement report card shows that Andrew Furuseth left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-15 on 16 August 1943 and arrived at Casablanca on 2 September. The ship left Casablanca on 19 September and arrived off Cape Henry on 4 October. Andrew Furuseth left Norfolk with Convoy UGS-22 on 25 October and arrived at Oran on 12 November. The ship remained in the Mediterranean until it returned with Convoy GUS-25 to Hampton Roads on 17 January 1944. The Archives has a letter from Lieutenant Junior Grade William S. Dodge, USNR, (Ret.), the Master of Andrew Furuseth in 1943, categorically denying that he or his crew observed any unusual event while in Norfolk. Eldridge and Andrew Furuseth were not even in Norfolk at the same time.

The Office of Naval Research (ONR) has stated that the use of force fields to make a ship and her crew invisible does not conform to known physical laws. ONR also claims that Dr. Albert Einstein's Unified Field Theory was never completed. During 1943-1944, Einstein was a part-time consultant with the Navy's Bureau of Ordnance, undertaking theoretical research on explosives and explosions. There is no indication that Einstein was involved in research relevant to invisibility or to teleportation. ONR's information sheet on the Philadelphia Experiment is attached.

The Philadelphia Experiment has also been called "Project Rainbow." A comprehensive search of the Archives has failed to identify records of a Project Rainbow relating to teleportation or making a ship disappear. In the 1940s, the code name RAINBOW was used to refer to the Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis. The RAINBOW plans were the war plans to defeat Italy, Germany and Japan. RAINBOW V, the plan in effect on 7 December 1941 when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, was the plan the U.S. used to fight the Axis powers.

Some researchers have erroneously concluded that degaussing has a connection with making an object invisible. Degaussing is a process in which a system of electrical cables are installed around the circumference of ship's hull, running from bow to stern on both sides. A measured electrical current is passed through these cables to cancel out the ship's magnetic field. Degaussing equipment was installed in the hull of Navy ships and could be turned on whenever the ship was in waters that might contain magnetic mines, usually shallow waters in combat areas. It could be said that degaussing, correctly done, makes a ship "invisible" to the sensors of magnetic mines, but the ship remains visible to the human eye, radar, and underwater listening devices.

After many years of searching, the staff of the Operational Archives and independent researchers have not located any official documents that support the assertion that an invisibility or teleportation experiment involving a Navy ship occurred at Philadelphia or any other location.

28 November 2000



This guy was on Art Bell a bunch of times and has been "debunked" as a liar...

www.bielek.com/
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:50:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 8:53:30 AM EDT by desertmoon]

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
Wow, does this thread take me back. I remember reading about the Philadelphia Experiment in the 70's, in a book that was written in the 60's.

I believe the revelations back then surrounded a mystery "man" named Carl Allen, who also went by Carlos Allende. Very, very bizarre story. Allen was in ouch with other "sources" and may not have been of our world. FWIW, YMMV, IIRC.



Carl Allende was most likely a paranoid schizophrenic...or a very lonely and deluded man who loved being at the center of a mystery that never was. Nothing happened in the Philadelphia shipyard other than there was a ship ( the Eldridge...thanks, nationwide!!! I totally forgot that!!! ).....and it floated around alot.

that's about it.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:52:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By desertmoon:

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
Wow, does this thread take me back. I remember reading about the Philadelphia Experiment in the 70's, in a book that was written in the 60's.

I believe the revelations back then surrounded a mystery "man" named Carl Allen, who also went by Carlos Allende. Very, very bizarre story. Allen was in ouch with other "sources" and may not have been of our world. FWIW, YMMV, IIRC.



Carl Allende was most likely a paranoid schizophrenic...or a very lonely and deluded man who loved being at the center of a mystery that never was. Nothing happened to the Philadelphia other than it was a ship.....and it floated around alot.

that's about it.

There was no ship named "Philadelphia" involved. The Navy was conducting several experiments in the harbor at Philadelphia.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:55:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
They made a documentary...

www.alyon.org/generale/theatre/cinema/affiches_cinema/p/pet-pon/philadelphia_experiment.jpg




Some documentary......thats a picture of the Bismarck on that poster!

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:56:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 8:57:06 AM EDT by desertmoon]

Originally Posted By DzlBenz:

Originally Posted By desertmoon:

Originally Posted By Carbine_Man:
Wow, does this thread take me back. I remember reading about the Philadelphia Experiment in the 70's, in a book that was written in the 60's.

I believe the revelations back then surrounded a mystery "man" named Carl Allen, who also went by Carlos Allende. Very, very bizarre story. Allen was in ouch with other "sources" and may not have been of our world. FWIW, YMMV, IIRC.



Carl Allende was most likely a paranoid schizophrenic...or a very lonely and deluded man who loved being at the center of a mystery that never was. Nothing happened to the Philadelphia other than it was a ship.....and it floated around alot.

that's about it.

There was no ship named "Philadelphia" involved. The Navy was conducting several experiments in the harbor at Philadelphia.



You got me on that one...when I learn that a topic is super bogus I 86 it straight out of my mind....I do stand corrected......but, heck......what 'BOUT THE PHILADELPHIA...anyone seen it????? Mybe the Eldridge was a red herring!!!?!?!?!?! Where's my tin foil!!!!?????
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:06:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
I'm still trying to find out about a secret base in Clarksville, Tn. that operated in secret from 1947-1962.
Anyone else heard about this one?



It's kind of hard to miss, helo's and soldiers are everywhere.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:07:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 9:32:42 AM EDT by nationwide]

There was no ship named "Philadelphia" involved. The Navy was conducting several experiments in the harbor at Philadelphia.


Not in the harbor, per se. The Philadephia Navy Yard was the major R&D site on the east coast during the war.

The experiments in question actually took place off the tip of Long Island.

ETA: WTF are we talking about?!?!?! THERE IS NO PHILADELPHIA HARBOR!!! IT'S ON THE DELAWARE RIVER!!!
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:07:34 AM EDT
Part 2 was kind of neat. Future Nazis wil carry SKS's.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:16:10 AM EDT
From what I understand it was a form of stealth technology, disappeared on radar. Thats from a naval engineer.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:17:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By hapjack:
From what I understand it was a form of stealth technology, disappeared on radar. Thats from a naval engineer.

He's wrong.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:21:13 AM EDT
We are just now (I believe) working on trials using Active or Adaptive Camouflage involving LED panels on the bottom of the stealth plane recently revealed by Boeing, electro-reactive chemicals in special clothing that change colors in response to changes in electrical current (like found in nature, in the chameleon and the octopus), special fiber optics to direct infrared radiation from surfaces on our stealth planes, plasma generators retrofitted on Russian planes to hide them from radar, etc. There is nothing mysterious about these experiments. Regarding a magnetic field making a ship invisible, we have created far stronger magnetic fields in fusion experiments, particle accelerators, etc and these projects are not normal CLASSIFIED so if invisibility occured as a result of these fields, it would have become public knowledge. The "Philadelphia Experiment" as been totally debunked, in my opinion
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:34:18 AM EDT
We obtained the technology from a Klingon space ship that crashed back in the 60s.

Fortunately, the cloaking device was intact.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:02:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
We are just now (I believe) working on trials using Active or Adaptive Camouflage involving LED panels on the bottom of the stealth plane recently revealed by Boeing, electro-reactive chemicals in special clothing that change colors in response to changes in electrical current (like found in nature, in the chameleon and the octopus), special fiber optics to direct infrared radiation from surfaces on our stealth planes, plasma generators retrofitted on Russian planes to hide them from radar, etc. There is nothing mysterious about these experiments. Regarding a magnetic field making a ship invisible, we have created far stronger magnetic fields in fusion experiments, particle accelerators, etc and these projects are not normal CLASSIFIED so if invisibility occured as a result of these fields, it would have become public knowledge. The "Philadelphia Experiment" as been totally debunked, in my opinion



Adding a strong magnetic field to an electromagnetic wave may not be the best method for reducing RCS; it may be counterproductive.

If an unexpected (useful) phenomenon is observed during an unclassified experiment, this new phenomenon can easily become classified along with the formerly unclassified experiements.

Don't believe anything written by Bill Sweetman until the topic has been released to the public. Based on his Popular Science articles, he's not a very good guesser and a horrible sleuth with evidence sitting right under his nose.

Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:12:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AeroE:

Originally Posted By jkstexas2001:
We are just now (I believe) working on trials using Active or Adaptive Camouflage involving LED panels on the bottom of the stealth plane recently revealed by Boeing, electro-reactive chemicals in special clothing that change colors in response to changes in electrical current (like found in nature, in the chameleon and the octopus), special fiber optics to direct infrared radiation from surfaces on our stealth planes, plasma generators retrofitted on Russian planes to hide them from radar, etc. There is nothing mysterious about these experiments. Regarding a magnetic field making a ship invisible, we have created far stronger magnetic fields in fusion experiments, particle accelerators, etc and these projects are not normal CLASSIFIED so if invisibility occured as a result of these fields, it would have become public knowledge. The "Philadelphia Experiment" as been totally debunked, in my opinion



Adding a strong magnetic field to an electromagnetic wave may not be the best method for reducing RCS; it may be counterproductive.

If an unexpected (useful) phenomenon is observed during an unclassified experiment, this new phenomenon can easily become classified along with the formerly unclassified experiements.

Don't believe anything written by Bill Sweetman until the topic has been released to the public. Based on his Popular Science articles, he's not a very good guesser and a horrible sleuth with evidence sitting right under his nose.




That occurred to me later. I hope to live long enough to see some of the things I believe we are testing now, once they become declassified.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:24:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SS109:
I miss the old tinfoil hat crowd that used to be here.



That's because they were so outlandishly entertaining in their collective pinheadedness.


I don't believe in conspiracies but I don't believe in the goverment either, so I do like to read up on many of these stories.




I work for the Federal govt. Believe me, there is NO way the Federal bureaucracy could run a conspiracy for long- it's too big, too bloated, too inefficient, too many mouths.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:28:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Originally Posted By SS109:
I miss the old tinfoil hat crowd that used to be here.



That's because they were so outlandishly entertaining in their collective pinheadedness.


I don't believe in conspiracies but I don't believe in the goverment either, so I do like to read up on many of these stories.




I work for the Federal govt. Believe me, there is NO way the Federal bureaucracy could run a conspiracy for long- it's too big, too bloated, too inefficient, too many mouths.



They did a fairly good job with the Manhattan Project and the development of the A-bomb. The Nazi's knew all about it but very few government officials and fewer US citizens. I believe the Philadelphia experiment thing to be complete BS, but they CAN keep a secret if they want to and try hard enough.
Link Posted: 8/3/2005 8:28:49 PM EDT
Swamp gas
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