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Posted: 10/25/2004 12:07:21 PM EST
I will admit that I am not really as well informed about the Patriot Act as I should be. So, I am wondering what the general consensus on it is, along with reasons why he/she feels that way.

I am inclined to say I do not like it (though I am a die hard Bush supporter), but it is an uninformed opinion.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:18:39 PM EST

Originally Posted By rifleman2000:
I will admit that I am not really as well informed about the Patriot Act as I should be. So, I am wondering what the general consensus on it is, along with reasons why he/she feels that way.

I am inclined to say I do not like it (though I am a die hard Bush supporter), but it is an uninformed opinion.


The ACLU is against it. That should tell you a lot.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:22:01 PM EST
There are some provisions of it that I am not happy about.

I don't like the "sneak and peaks" (warrantless searches), that's for sure!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:23:27 PM EST
Don't ask for a "general consensus".
Read it.
It's not too hard (I don't mean that in a condescending way).
Just google it.

Misconceptions:

"It empowers the president to send people to Gitmo."

Not true.

"allows the government to spy on US citizens, without a warrant"

Not true.

"Allow the government to declare people Domestic Terrorists"

Not true.

The Patriot is mostly a series of amendments to the US Code, and especially the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.

None of them have been ruled UnConstitutional.
That recent ruling had nothing to do with the Patriot Act.

Read it.
Cross reference it with the US Code and FISA.

If someone claims that the Patriot Act is a "terrible infringement on our freedoms", yet hasn't taken the time to read it....
...that tells you of their priorities.

Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:24:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
There are some provisions of it that I am not happy about.

I don't like the "sneak and peaks" (warrantless searches), that's for sure!

There's no such thing as a warrantless search in the Patriot Act.
If there is, show me.
I'll mail you a dollar.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:38:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 12:39:10 PM EST by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By Cincinnatus:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:
There are some provisions of it that I am not happy about.

I don't like the "sneak and peaks" (warrantless searches), that's for sure!

There's no such thing as a warrantless search in the Patriot Act.
If there is, show me.
I'll mail you a dollar.



Yes more of the general ignorance that surrounds the Patriot Act.

The Patriot Act DOES NOT authorize warrant less searches.

Sneak and peak search must be approved by a court and have been in used for a very long time against organized crime the Patriot Act just authorizes this type search were terror investigation are in question.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 2:11:42 PM EST
Thanks, that helps a lot.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 2:13:43 PM EST
I have personally been arrested and beaten 38 times since the passage of the Patriot Act.
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 2:18:32 PM EST
It gives a lot ,ore power to law enforcement, power that they haven't had since the 50's. If misused, it will create a very volatile situation.

It also changes the definition of terrorism, making it more vague, and able to be used in more circumstances.

Seth
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 2:28:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 2:28:31 PM EST by Cincinnatus]

Originally Posted By HatchetRunner:
It also changes the definition of terrorism, making it more vague, and able to be used in more circumstances.

Seth


Prove that assertion.
Show me the quote, from the Act.

Again, if you prove this, I'll send you a dollar.

It's simply not true.

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