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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:53:44 PM EDT
  
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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:55:12 PM EDT
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Lemme guess: it was that "Top Ten" show...
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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:56:11 PM EDT
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Lemme guess: it was that "Top Ten" show... Yes sir you are correct. |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:56:30 PM EDT
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as long as you don't care too much about accuracy I guess...
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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:56:42 PM EDT
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Lemme guess: it was that "Top Ten" show... That show just picks what they like and makes up some stupid reason to justify it. I love when they have the "expert" shooting clay and says that the exit hole of a 8mm is like 9 inches wide.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:57:42 PM EDT
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I'd be willing to bet that the AK has killed more people than any other battle rifle. Maybe that's what they meant.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:57:51 PM EDT
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most produced due to cost....probably.
best....far from it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 2:57:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2009 3:02:16 PM EDT
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While I LOVE the AR platform, and I used in the military and it served me just fine. I don't think the kool aid crowd has a legitimate case to say the AR is the greatest combat rifle ever.
The AK is #1 because of it's reliability, it's influence on world affairs, and it's ENORMOUS usage. EVERYONE in the world has them, except for modern western militaries. Also, it's just fine for combat use since most infantry combat takes place at 150 meters or closer, and beyond that, mortars or other forms of indirect fire are going to be used to engage the enemy instead of using rifles. But yeah, the show is stupid. |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 3:03:11 PM EDT
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..and they would be right about that!
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Posted: 1/25/2009 3:05:14 PM EDT
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as long as you don't care too much about accuracy I guess... It's reasonably accurate for what it is. It's also reasonably light, cheap, easy to mass-produce, rugged, fires a decent cartridge, dependable, and easy to maintain. |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 3:06:48 PM EDT
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If by "just" you mean months and or years ago then I'd say you're waaay ahead of the power curve. Excellent investigative reporting!
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Posted: 1/25/2009 3:09:42 PM EDT
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I just saw the show for the first time tonight so its just now to me anyways.
If by "just" you mean months and or years ago then I'd say you're waaay ahead of the power curve. Excellent investigative reporting! |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 3:20:00 PM EDT
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Caring too much about accuracy means each gun is much more expensive, which means your government can afford to field fewer of them.
Caring too much about accuracy means less reliability in field conditions, at least with current technology. When someone designs a gun with large clearances between the moving parts that exhibits the same accuracy as a gun with small, very precise clearances between the moving parts, then this will no longer be an issue. If accuracy was all that mattered, we would still be issuing 1903 Springfields. And since this is GD, pretty soon someone is going to come along and seriously assert that we should do exactly that. However, Kalashnikov was more realistic. He designed the AK to be ACCURATE ENOUGH for the job it is intended to do, without compromising other very important factors like cost of manufacturing and operating system reliability. PS This thread needs some AK porn. Yeah I know I'm fat, get over it. 
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Posted: 1/25/2009 3:22:26 PM EDT
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If I wasn't scared to go back to Photobucket, I'd post the "Jeez,not this shit again" guy.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 3:55:56 PM EDT
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I just saw the show for the first time tonight so its just now to me anyways.
If by "just" you mean months and or years ago then I'd say you're waaay ahead of the power curve. Excellent investigative reporting! When I first saw it this summer, I got the same smart-assed replies here I gave you. I'm just paying it forward. 
You get to be a smart-ass to the next guy.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 4:52:45 PM EDT
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Caring too much about accuracy means each gun is much more expensive, which means your government can afford to field fewer of them. Caring too much about accuracy means less reliability in field conditions, at least with current technology. When someone designs a gun with large clearances between the moving parts that exhibits the same accuracy as a gun with small, very precise clearances between the moving parts, then this will no longer be an issue. If accuracy was all that mattered, we would still be issuing 1903 Springfields. And since this is GD, pretty soon someone is going to come along and seriously assert that we should do exactly that. However, Kalashnikov was more realistic. He designed the AK to be ACCURATE ENOUGH for the job it is intended to do, without compromising other very important factors like cost of manufacturing and operating system reliability. PS This thread needs some AK porn. Yeah I know I'm fat, get over it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/MikeKrink5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/shinyhappyak.jpg What optic and mount is that in the first pic? It looks great! |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 6:22:08 PM EDT
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Its a KOBRA. Can't use the iron sights with it on there but flip a lever on the left side of the gun and off it comes, real quick. Not as clear or bright as an EOtech or Aimpoint, but as ususl for Russian stuff they are built like a bank vault, you can't break 'em.
Uses the standard AK side rail as the mounting point. Sometimes you see them for sale on the EE and sometimes Tantal at Automats in Action has them in stock. http://www.tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/bstkobra.html |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 6:34:58 PM EDT
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Ya i watched that same show they gave the FAL #5 that's more fucked then the the AK gettin #1 over the Ar.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 6:37:22 PM EDT
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I'd be willing to bet that the AK has killed more people than any other battle rifle. Maybe that's what they meant. Probably this. And they are probably the most manufactured, and in the hands of more "troops" than any other rifle. Accuracy and ability goes to the BLACK RIFLE... |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 6:42:11 PM EDT
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FAL should have been number 1
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Posted: 1/25/2009 6:47:12 PM EDT
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I love these threads. Even more than that, I love when -Duke-Nukem- lays the smack down in em.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 7:16:53 PM EDT
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Lemme guess: it was that "Top Ten" show... Yes sir you are correct. Just now huh? I think I saw this 3 or 4 years ago and so this is not late breaking news. |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 7:28:37 PM EDT
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I would agree that arguably the AK could be considered #1. Accuracy is over-rated in combat.
I would rather go into combat with my AR-15, but if I had to equip a unit of newbies with only a few weeks for training, I would choose the AK over the AR, FAL, M-14, and most bolt action WWII rifles.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 7:30:01 PM EDT
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Lemme guess: it was that "Top Ten" show... With the fag who is now a bitch.. I'm impressed! |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 7:32:17 PM EDT
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This picture is still full of win |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 8:01:48 PM EDT
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AK is a fine lead thrower, but a Noveske N4 with 77g hand loads is the ultimate weapon, IMHO
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Posted: 1/25/2009 8:30:10 PM EDT
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meh, the show is just fine for entertainment value. Nothing more.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 8:50:40 PM EDT
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While YOU were watching the Television, I was reloading the cases I fired today, and cleaning and oiling a bolt carrier.
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Posted: 1/25/2009 8:52:03 PM EDT
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While YOU were watching the Television, I was reloading the cases I fired today, and cleaning and oiling a bolt carrier. You can do all that shit and still watch TV 
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Posted: 1/25/2009 8:52:27 PM EDT
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7/10 no magpul products,
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Posted: 1/25/2009 8:55:55 PM EDT
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I'd be willing to bet that the AK has killed more people than any other battle rifle. Maybe that's what they meant. The shooter or the shootie?
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Posted: 1/25/2009 8:59:04 PM EDT
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As much as I LOVE the AR (and I do!), the AK should and did rank as #1
Most made (by far!) Most people Killed (by far!) Longer History in use (by far!) More Rugged and Soldier Proof AR is more accurate and modular, but you can't ignore the AKs history when ranking it as the #1 Combat Rifle. for use at Actual Infantry Combat Distances (less than 150 meters) in all sorts of Uber Nasty Conditions, the AK is a workhorse of a Warhorse. The AR is a throughbred with ultimately Higher performance at the cost of more attention. BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:00:04 PM EDT
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They should have changed it to:
"#1 for having tolerances loose enough that any shitwad country can manufacture it and use it to repress its citizens." |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:03:41 PM EDT
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They JUST did this?
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:06:12 PM EDT
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/MikeKrink5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/shinyhappyak.jpg Those both look great! The finish on the under-folder looks absolutely fantastic |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:09:18 PM EDT
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Cheap, reliable, and you can get them everywhere for cheap.
Yeah, it probably is #1, depending on what criteria you set. Then again, ah, screw it. /popcorn |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:10:22 PM EDT
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It's reasonably accurate for what it is. It's also reasonably light, cheap, easy to mass-produce, rugged, fires a decent cartridge, dependable, and easy to maintain. Easy to mass produce is right. Give me enough parts and I would be willing to bet I could crank out a dozen every day. Probably more. I would even put a finish on them too. (Norrell's Moly-Resin) |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:24:25 PM EDT
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The AR is in limited use. Besides the US and Canada who else uses them in mass numbers? Israel still fields them but has been slowly phasing them out for the Tavor. The AK however as others have said has been used by just about everybody, everywhere at any time. Its a design that has worked and worked well for over 60 years with the only major change being a caliber switch by its primary user.
I don't know what all rifles were reviwed on the show but my rankings would be as follows. 1.) AK series 2.) FAL series 3.) AR15 series 4.) HK G3 series 5.) ????? |
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Posted: 1/25/2009 9:28:29 PM EDT
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Can't we all just get along?
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Posted: 1/26/2009 3:16:31 AM EDT
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Is that a Randall #1? |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 3:21:38 AM EDT
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as long as you don't care too much about accuracy I guess... It's reasonably accurate for what it is. It's also reasonably light, cheap, easy to mass-produce, rugged, fires a decent cartridge, dependable, and easy to maintain. This. |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 3:30:18 AM EDT
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The AR is in limited use. Besides the US and Canada who else uses them in mass numbers? Israel still fields them but has been slowly phasing them out for the Tavor. The AK however as others have said has been used by just about everybody, everywhere at any time. Its a design that has worked and worked well for over 60 years with the only major change being a caliber switch by its primary user. Quite a few nations use the M16, (Dutch, Thais, Philippines) beyond that it may just be a cool guy thing but many nations who use other standard weapons elite forces use them (Brits and Aussies being notable). |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 3:45:56 AM EDT
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Caring too much about accuracy means each gun is much more expensive, which means your government can afford to field fewer of them. Caring too much about accuracy means less reliability in field conditions, at least with current technology. When someone designs a gun with large clearances between the moving parts that exhibits the same accuracy as a gun with small, very precise clearances between the moving parts, then this will no longer be an issue. If accuracy was all that mattered, we would still be issuing 1903 Springfields. And since this is GD, pretty soon someone is going to come along and seriously assert that we should do exactly that. However, Kalashnikov was more realistic. He designed the AK to be ACCURATE ENOUGH for the job it is intended to do, without compromising other very important factors like cost of manufacturing and operating system reliability. PS This thread needs some AK porn. Yeah I know I'm fat, get over it. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/MikeKrink5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/shinyhappyak.jpg +1 to everything. Sweet AKSU-74 btw. |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 4:03:34 AM EDT
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For all of those "the Ak can't hit the side of a barn" posters, it is plenty accurate enough at social distances, (~200m).
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Posted: 1/26/2009 5:10:57 AM EDT
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I think it was a pretty decent show. The AK47 is the best combat rifle of all times. Accurate enough. Long usage. No need to undergo numerous revisions to make it reliable. Inexpensive to produce. Easy to learn.
I would have put the Mosin Nagant over the 1903 Springfield though. Much longer production time and much greater numbers. Tougher too. Similar range and punch. The only real change over it's history was in barrel length and the addition of a permanently attached bayonet. FAL is about where it should be. Great weapon and used in over 70 countries at one time or another. Like the M1a, skip the fully auto version. |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 5:14:50 AM EDT
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as long as you don't care too much about accuracy I guess... It's reasonably accurate for what it is. It's also reasonably light, cheap, easy to mass-produce, rugged, fires a decent cartridge, dependable, and easy to maintain. this is probably why it was picked.. they look at more than accuracy in a firearm.. they are looking at its history functionality and influence on world affairs. hell the AK even is featured on a couple of country's national flags.. granted they are third world shitholes.. but i havent seen an AR on a Nation's flag |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 5:16:30 AM EDT
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In On One™
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Posted: 1/26/2009 5:17:55 AM EDT
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Yeah I know I'm fat, get over it. Did you know your fingers are super short? |
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Posted: 1/26/2009 5:20:36 AM EDT
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The FAL was used by 90 or more countries. They work fine on full auto.
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Posted: 1/26/2009 5:23:58 AM EDT
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The FAL was used by 90 or more countries. They work fine on full auto. read up on the falklands war.. both Britian and Argentina were using FALs. the difference was the brits only had L1A1a semi auto and the argentines had the belgian full auto FALs.. they said the argentines would try to rock and roll with them on FA and spray everywhere and the brits would accuratly pick them off on semi-auto
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