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Posted: 7/25/2013 3:10:46 PM EST











You can tell it's still in Germany....Notice no Swaztika on the tail.




Friend of a friend works at Braunsweig airport and snapped these.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:12:06 PM EST
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Beautiful plane.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:12:37 PM EST
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Not much of a flight.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:13:31 PM EST
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They will be test flying it shortly.....Right now they are just assembling it

 
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:13:50 PM EST
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Cool plane..........I always liked the TA-152 and the FW-190
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:15:48 PM EST
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Always thougt they were a more bad-ass plane than the 109, but the ME gets all the press.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 3:16:30 PM EST
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The Butcher Bird.









The Chino Planes of Fame Museum here in CA has a flying FW-190 exact replica that I see from time to time.









 
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 6:38:46 PM EST
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Cool pics, thanks for posting
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 6:47:43 PM EST
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The Butcher Bird.

The Chino Planes of Fame Museum here in CA has a flying FW-190 exact replica that I see from time to time.

 
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Here toy go

They also are producing a 1:1 P-51D kit
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 8:19:22 PM EST
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That site is useless...it's all in pig latin or something!





















Just kiding
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 8:52:35 PM EST
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Fucking blasphemy!
How many 190 pilots got 350+ kills in 3 years?


What's powering that bird? Not an 801 is it?
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 8:58:05 PM EST
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That looks like an FW190-A8.



I like the FW190-D myself
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 9:12:36 PM EST
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Why the partial national insignia?
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 9:16:56 PM EST
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Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

ETA: the plane isn't part of the Mil, so they can't fly around with the insignia.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 9:22:45 PM EST
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Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

ETA: the plane isn't part of the Mil, so they can't fly around with the insignia.
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Why the partial national insignia?

Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

ETA: the plane isn't part of the Mil, so they can't fly around with the insignia.


Odd.  I don't think that particular one (WW 2 era) is used.  Of note, two Tornados are sitting about three miles from here; with  a different insignia.
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Why the partial national insignia?

Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

ETA: the plane isn't part of the Mil, so they can't fly around with the insignia.


Looks like one section of the body was repainted. The partial center area of the cross is on a removable panel that did not get repainted.

CWatson
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 9:31:46 PM EST
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In my opinion, one of if not THE (and it would only be 2nd to the P-51) best looking aircraft of the war.  Absolutely beautiful lines.  If that thing was coming at you there was a really good chance that you were about to die.  I don't get googoo over many aircraft but the FW-190 is certainly one of them.
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Odd.  I don't think that particular one (WW 2 era) is used.  Of note, two Tornados are sitting about three miles from here; with  a different insignia.
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Why the partial national insignia?

Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

ETA: the plane isn't part of the Mil, so they can't fly around with the insignia.


Odd.  I don't think that particular one (WW 2 era) is used.  Of note, two Tornados are sitting about three miles from here; with  a different insignia.


You're right, the cross is currently different, so the original might be allowed, or banned like the swastika.

Off to Bing it......

ETA: Yup, did remember it right. The Balkenkreuz iz verboten in Germany.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 9:48:01 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/25/2013 9:51:56 PM EST
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amazing that the Spitfire and the FW-190 are back to life.

It doesn't surprise me if they can resurrect more warbirds...

The ME262 was done and also the P51...but if they can do even more.

amazing.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 9:54:11 PM EST
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You're right, the cross is currently different, so the original might be allowed, or banned like the swastika.

Off to Bing it......

ETA: Yup, did remember it right. The Balkenkreuz iz verboten in Germany.
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Why the partial national insignia?

Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

ETA: the plane isn't part of the Mil, so they can't fly around with the insignia.


Odd.  I don't think that particular one (WW 2 era) is used.  Of note, two Tornados are sitting about three miles from here; with  a different insignia.


You're right, the cross is currently different, so the original might be allowed, or banned like the swastika.

Off to Bing it......

ETA: Yup, did remember it right. The Balkenkreuz iz verboten in Germany.


The Hakenkreuz (swastika) is banned, but I wasn't aware of the Balkenkreuz being banned.

Given that the cross "ends" right at the point where some panels start and stop, I'm willing to bet that they just had to repaint it.

For example, these aircraft display it quite prominently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOTB52hJKU
^Berlin Schoenefeld june 9 2010

Maybe its a new law in the past three years?
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 10:01:23 PM EST
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The Hakenkreuz (swastika) is banned, but I wasn't aware of the Balkenkreuz being banned.

Given that the cross "ends" right at the point where some panels start and stop, I'm willing to bet that they just had to repaint it.

For example, these aircraft display it quite prominently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOTB52hJKU
^Berlin Schoenefeld june 9 2010

Maybe its a new law in the past three years?
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You're right, the cross is currently different, so the original might be allowed, or banned like the swastika.

Off to Bing it......

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The Hakenkreuz (swastika) is banned, but I wasn't aware of the Balkenkreuz being banned.

Given that the cross "ends" right at the point where some panels start and stop, I'm willing to bet that they just had to repaint it.

For example, these aircraft display it quite prominently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOTB52hJKU
^Berlin Schoenefeld june 9 2010

Maybe its a new law in the past three years?

No, the law has been in place since the end of WWII.  maybe it's allowed for certain things.
All I could find out was that regular German people can't display it since it considered associated with being part of the far right.

for instance, you can't buy a video game in Germany with Nazi markings on the equipment.
The game programers replace it with a black X.

You're right that the missing Balkenkreuz is on only one body panel and the remaining part of the symbol is on the access panel and the upper metal.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 10:04:49 PM EST
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Very cool.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 10:04:57 PM EST
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Always thought the STUKA was the cool. Dive bomber with siren rrrrrrrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRBBBBBBOOOOOOMMMMM.

When I was a kid my cousin had a model hanging in his bedroom. Plastic disk for propeller. Coolest guy I knew at the time.
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 10:26:06 PM EST
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The Hakenkreuz (swastika) is banned, but I wasn't aware of the Balkenkreuz being banned.

Given that the cross "ends" right at the point where some panels start and stop, I'm willing to bet that they just had to repaint it.

For example, these aircraft display it quite prominently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOTB52hJKU
^Berlin Schoenefeld june 9 2010

Maybe its a new law in the past three years?
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Why the partial national insignia?

Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

ETA: the plane isn't part of the Mil, so they can't fly around with the insignia.


Odd.  I don't think that particular one (WW 2 era) is used.  Of note, two Tornados are sitting about three miles from here; with  a different insignia.


You're right, the cross is currently different, so the original might be allowed, or banned like the swastika.

Off to Bing it......

ETA: Yup, did remember it right. The Balkenkreuz iz verboten in Germany.


The Hakenkreuz (swastika) is banned, but I wasn't aware of the Balkenkreuz being banned.

Given that the cross "ends" right at the point where some panels start and stop, I'm willing to bet that they just had to repaint it.

For example, these aircraft display it quite prominently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhOTB52hJKU
^Berlin Schoenefeld june 9 2010

Maybe its a new law in the past three years?


The "Balkenkreuz" isnt banned.

The swastika is banned as politcal propaganda, for historical displays it's legal to use. The planes in the museums have swastikas on the tails.

Picture from the Sinsheim Technik Museum:





Link Posted: 7/25/2013 10:39:59 PM EST
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The Flugwerk FW190 are replicas with chinese engines.


Link Posted: 7/25/2013 10:49:10 PM EST
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The Flugwerk FW190 are replicas with chinese engines.


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amazing that the Spitfire and the FW-190 are back to life.

It doesn't surprise me if they can resurrect more warbirds...


The Flugwerk FW190 are replicas with chinese engines.




If I'm not mistaken, the Chinese engines used in the Flugwerk Fw190s are copied from Russian engines which were copied from the original BMW801s the Russians captured from downed Fw-190s, which was itself a copy of an American radial design.  
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 10:56:51 PM EST
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I had the oppourtunity to speak with two B-17 pilots a while back who were shot down over Europe in WW2.  One of the pilots mentioned that he was buzzed by a 190 while he was on his way to the ground in his chute.

He said as the 190 buzzed him the pilot tipped up on his wingtip and saluted him on the way by,  His comment about the 190 was "that plane was tiny".  He also said he thought the 190 pilot was going to kill him in his chute,  In his words.  He said " That 190 pilot came right at me,  and I thought this is it.  When he tipped up on his wing tip and saluted me I waived back at him with a smile.  He didn't shoot me".
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 11:00:00 PM EST
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Paul Allen has an A85...and it is flown every so often...



eta...correction..it's an A-5
Link Posted: 7/25/2013 11:51:10 PM EST
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Nix nein, the Balkenkreuz is nix verboten by ze Germans. The Hakenkreuz and some other symbols (SS runes) violate their §86a of the criminal code. http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/StGB.htm#86a


I took this pic at an EADS airshow a couple of years ago. They had the Me262 flying as well! Sometimes it's nice to live over here....



Link Posted: 7/26/2013 1:05:43 AM EST
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It doesn't surprise me if they can resurrect more warbirds...

The ME262 was done and also the P51...but if they can do even more.

amazing.
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If the plans exist, CNC can do amazing things.
Link Posted: 7/26/2013 1:16:50 AM EST
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Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

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Same reason there isn't a swastika, German law forbids it.

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Nope, Balkenkreuze are AOK, just the Swastika is a nono.
Link Posted: 7/26/2013 1:18:08 AM EST
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Was hat dich hier her verschlagen?


Link Posted: 7/26/2013 1:19:13 AM EST
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Paul Allen has an A8...and it is flown every so often...
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I see an 109E is the background
Link Posted: 7/26/2013 1:36:55 AM EST
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Was hat dich hier her verschlagen?


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Der liebe Uncle Sam... See my avatar.
Link Posted: 7/26/2013 1:39:21 AM EST
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FW190D9 FTMFW!!!
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Static model for sale:



http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!focke-wulf-fw-190d-9/c129j



 
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I see an 109E is the background
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I see an 109E is the background


Yep..it's an Emil...it flew that day as well...both have original engines.
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FW190D9 FTMFW!!!

Static model for sale:

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!focke-wulf-fw-190d-9/c129j
 

Allen's Museum also has a D-13 in flying condition...it will not be flown however, due to it's extreme scarcity.
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That's not a model. And if I win lottery soon, I will own it.
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Yep..it's an Emil...it flew that day as well...both have original engines.
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I see an 109E is the background


Yep..it's an Emil...it flew that day as well...both have original engines.


he also has a MiG-29 IIRC
Link Posted: 7/26/2013 9:31:36 AM EST
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As an aside, I saw a Hawker Sea Fury fly into Colorado Springs last Sat.; pretty fucking cool to see one for the first time.
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he also has a MiG-29 IIRC
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I see an 109E is the background


Yep..it's an Emil...it flew that day as well...both have original engines.


he also has a MiG-29 IIRC


yup...a UB
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I had the oppourtunity to speak with two B-17 pilots a while back who were shot down over Europe in WW2.  One of the pilots mentioned that he was buzzed by a 190 while he was on his way to the ground in his chute.



He said as the 190 buzzed him the pilot tipped up on his wingtip and saluted him on the way by,  His comment about the 190 was "that plane was tiny".  He also said he thought the 190 pilot was going to kill him in his chute,  In his words.  He said " That 190 pilot came right at me,  and I thought this is it.  When he tipped up on his wing tip and saluted me I waived back at him with a smile.  He didn't shoot me".
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I had the oppourtunity to speak with two B-17 pilots a while back who were shot down over Europe in WW2.  One of the pilots mentioned that he was buzzed by a 190 while he was on his way to the ground in his chute.

He said as the 190 buzzed him the pilot tipped up on his wingtip and saluted him on the way by,  His comment about the 190 was "that plane was tiny".  He also said he thought the 190 pilot was going to kill him in his chute,  In his words.  He said " That 190 pilot came right at me,  and I thought this is it.  When he tipped up on his wing tip and saluted me I waived back at him with a smile.  He didn't shoot me".
The Germans had a code of honor. They weren't the monsters 70 years of one sided propaganda have made them out to be.
 


You may want to talk to the old folks in the village in the south of England where I grew up. the Luftwaffe straffed everything that moved my father had a near miss when he was playing in his yard. So their code of honor included women children and livestock.
Link Posted: 7/26/2013 11:21:39 AM EST
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And there were incidents of shooting pilots in parachutes, on both sides.
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Shooting pilots in parachutes who've bailed over their own territory and who'd by flying against you as soon as they could, or if injured and could free up another pilot by filling a staff billet, makes sense from a warfighting standpoint.
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If I'm not mistaken, the Chinese engines used in the Flugwerk Fw190s are copied from Russian engines which were copied from the original BMW801s the Russians captured from downed Fw-190s, which was itself a copy of an American radial design.  
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amazing that the Spitfire and the FW-190 are back to life.

It doesn't surprise me if they can resurrect more warbirds...


The Flugwerk FW190 are replicas with chinese engines.




If I'm not mistaken, the Chinese engines used in the Flugwerk Fw190s are copied from Russian engines which were copied from the original BMW801s the Russians captured from downed Fw-190s, which was itself a copy of an American radial design.  


With that many copies, one wonders what the generation loss is...
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amazing that the Spitfire and the FW-190 are back to life.

It doesn't surprise me if they can resurrect more warbirds...


The Flugwerk FW190 are replicas with chinese engines.




If I'm not mistaken, the Chinese engines used in the Flugwerk Fw190s are copied from Russian engines which were copied from the original BMW801s the Russians captured from downed Fw-190s, which was itself a copy of an American radial design.  


With that many copies, one wonders what the generation loss is...


It'd be interesting to see how they'd perform with a modern turboprop shoehorned into them.
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Allen's Museum also has a D-13 in flying condition...it will not be flown however, due to it's extreme scarcity.
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FW190D9 FTMFW!!!


Static model for sale:



http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!focke-wulf-fw-190d-9/c129j

 


Allen's Museum also has a D-13 in flying condition...it will not be flown however, due to it's extreme scarcity.




 
We were at the museum not too long ago. That D model needs to be in the air.
Link Posted: 7/26/2013 12:19:20 PM EST
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The FW190 will always be my favorite aircraft.



When I was 5
(almost 40 years ago) my dad let me pick out my first model from Walmart
for us to build together. I chose a FW190. I have liked them ever
since. I actually tracked down exactly what model that was and found an
unopened one on ebay recently. Sorry for the reminiscing.  



Anywho, great pictures. Thanks for sharing.

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