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Posted: 10/29/2006 5:36:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2006 6:10:15 AM EST by Reloading]
Your Bill of Right have been Hi-Jack by the President and Congress as they rushed to pass the Military Commission Act of 2006!

On Oct 17 2006 the Senate pass a Bill and President rushed to signed into law the Military Commission Act of 2006 and now we will see our Bill of Right go down the tube if not DIE! Our drive by liberal media has once again overlooked what was the more important legislation in years as they where more concerned with Mark Foley misconduct and the hatred of conservatives and allow this grave taking of the Constitutional Rights of the People of America. This bill will and can be used against the people of America. I my opinion it is the Death of Habeas Corpus - Your right to a fair trial. Now many of use could be considered enemy combatants for standing up for our rights against the government. Think about it as gun owners we could all be an enemy combatant in an illegal militia and this act could be us against us. It we get a Hilary Clinton, Kerry or McCain in office we could see this act use against us for standing up against the anti-gun movement. This act could throw us in prison with no right to a fair trial or legal representation of from legal counsel. Please make your own opinion and read up on this new infringement of the Bill of Rights. I am no legal scholar but this looks grave and deadly to the American way. Wake up America and pull your head out of the Media’s smoke screen your world is changing rapidly.

Links:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15220450/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Commissions_Act_of_2006


Link Posted: 10/29/2006 5:36:41 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 5:37:52 AM EST
So all but one of our rights are gone now...and it's just the "Bill of Right?"
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:04:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2006 6:05:06 AM EST by EvoPsych]
Yawn

In the history of ArfCom, this is what? The 20.000th The Constitution/Bill of Rights has been destroyed proclaimation?

They could write a law concerning who was allowed to run for local dog catcher and some Constitutionalist moonbat would be along within minutes on this board, to tell us all how it was the slippery slope to martial law and secret government death camps.

The other 19.999 Constitutionalist moonbats were full of shit and so is this latest one.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:06:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
So all but one of our rights are gone now...and it's just the "Bill of Right?"





WTF
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:06:44 AM EST
So, it must be time, huh?
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:07:22 AM EST
Oh teh noes!! Not the Bill of Right!
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:07:52 AM EST
Never mind that this bill is only applied terrorists captured in Iraq and other terrorists hotspots.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:08:25 AM EST
The hole in your theory is the fact that we are U.S. Citizens gauranteed Constitutional Rights.

The "people" in question that this law refers to is non-national ROPers who aren't gauranteed shit. And are getting far more rights than what they deserve when they are taken prisoners.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:11:25 AM EST
All your base are belong to us.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:11:51 AM EST
so they say
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:12:18 AM EST
"crinkle, crinkle, crinkle"
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:14:15 AM EST
This ain't exactly today's news troll...

At least we only lost one right, instead of all of them.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:18:55 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:21:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2006 6:22:56 AM EST by phatmax]
Ahh yes.... MSNBC!!! The last great bastion of freedom and honest reporting left in the world.


Have the retards that post stories from MSNBC, Reutuers CNN, Washington Post, NYTimes, Boston Globe, ABC, NBC, CBS.... not YET figured out that they are basically 100% SOCIALIST / COMMUNIST controlled?

Lets do a short flow chart:

The left wants to control the country-----> The left wants to destroy the Constitution------>The left controls the mainstream media------->The mainstream media is very calculating on how they post stories to push forward their leftist agenda------>Stories posted on mainstream media sites are designed to further their goals------> Hence 99% of the stories are bullshit.


ETA: POST 2222!!!!!!!

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Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:23:12 AM EST
"Rumors of my demise have been highly exaggerated."

-M. Twain.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:30:14 AM EST
So they say it is for aliens and non-citizens.

The definition of ‘‘unlawful enemy combatant’’ in the MCA of 2006 is not limited to jihadist forces like Al Qaeda. The MCA can quickly become the legal basis for government roundups of other forces the government chooses to target.

Yale Law Professor Bruce Ackerman writes that the MCA, “which is racing toward the White House, authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights.” (L.A. Times, Sept. 28, 2006)

Don't think it can not be used against the citizen of American. All I am saying is read and understand the Act and make a logical judgement of the wording.

As you all know and say - When SHTF and we will stand up to the Government we will be an illegal militia or a rebel against the Powers that be. I can easy see this used against gun owner because many of us say openly that we will fight death and youcan have my gun when pry it out of my cold dead hand. This is an enemy combatant in the sense of rebelling against them.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:31:21 AM EST

Originally Posted By Reloading:
So they say it is for aliens and non-citizens.


And so it is.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:32:37 AM EST
Reloading
Member
Joined :: August 2005
Post Number :: 14

IL, USA

Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:35:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By Reloading:
So they say it is for aliens and non-citizens.

The definition of ‘‘unlawful enemy combatant’’ in the MCA of 2006 is not limited to jihadist forces like Al Qaeda. The MCA can quickly become the legal basis for government roundups of other forces the government chooses to target.

Yale Law Professor Bruce Ackerman writes that the MCA, “which is racing toward the White House, authorizes the president to seize American citizens as enemy combatants, even if they have never left the United States. And once thrown into military prison, they cannot expect a trial by their peers or any other of the normal protections of the Bill of Rights.” (L.A. Times, Sept. 28, 2006)

Don't think it can not be used against the citizen of American. All I am saying is read and understand the Act and make a logical judgement of the wording.

As you all know and say - When SHTF and we will stand up to the Government we will be an illegal militia or a rebel against the Powers that be. I can easy see this used against gun owner because many of us say openly that we will fight death and youcan have my gun when pry it out of my cold dead hand. This is an enemy combatant in the sense of rebelling against them.



If you truly believe the intent of this law, I suggest you stockpile food and ammo, barracade yourself in your home and wait..................... and stay off your PC.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:43:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2006 6:43:58 AM EST by steevo67]

Originally Posted By BillofRights:
"Rumors of my demise have been highly exaggerated."

-M. Twain.


Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:01:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By Reloading:
So they say it is for aliens and non-citizens.


And so it is.
"just, like you said it would be..."
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:08:21 PM EST
We only we have one "Right"??????
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:09:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2006 3:10:14 PM EST by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By pale_pony:
Reloading
Member
Joined :: August 2005
Post Number :: 14

IL, USA



Another troll...

Toooooooo bad it did not know this subject has been done to death and debunked here.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:13:04 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:14:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2006 3:17:59 PM EST by JonnySak]
most of these rumors were from the left wing blogs and were relying on a different version of the bill. I read the actual version that was signed in, and you only need to read as far as the second page to realize this will not affect US citizens. Also, habeas corpus is a constitutional provision provided to US citizens, not jihadists in the middle east. Even with that said, they still have "habeas corpus" or the right to challenge their detention/status in front of an impartial judiciary. The only thing this bill does (as far as habeas corpus), is to deny US district courts the JURISDICTION to hear a habeas petition.

Its not a hard bill to read...

right click to read it
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:15:20 PM EST
Please pass the potatoes.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:18:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:20:43 PM EST
We legislate long time.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:37:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2006 3:39:34 PM EST by texanmutt]
Enemy combatants have been tried by tribunals since this country was founded. Does anyone remember when FDR had the german saboteurs hung ? The only thing different now is that the supreme court thinks they have the powers of the commander and chief. The courts are were the real threat lies.

Fucking troll.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 3:39:21 PM EST
All your base are belong to us
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:13:00 PM EST
I can't tell you how many fucking dumbass teenagers support stupid shit like this...and how many times I've had to explain that we arn't losing any rights..
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 6:18:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By EvoPsych:


The other 19.999 Constitutionalist moonbats were full of shit and so is this latest one.


This guy is a Constitutionalist? I would think Libertarian but lets face it, MOST third parties are moonbat havens.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 8:10:55 PM EST
Yah know quoting the LA times is not helping any of your arguments.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 8:24:19 PM EST
the bill of right have been hijack? Oh NOES!

no speaka d'english?
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 8:27:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/29/2006 8:29:47 PM EST by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By Reloading:
So they say it is for aliens and non-citizens.


And so it is.



To be fair, the attempt to apply "enemy combatant" to U.S. citizen Jose Padilla does kind of fly in the face of that logic.





Not that I agree in any way with the hysteria of the original poster - I'm just pointing out a technicality. Before the Padilla case, everyone said "oh don't worry, it just applies to those damn foreigners", and then suddenly a U.S. citizen, who was not picked up on the battlefield was declared an "enemy combatant." By itself not a big deal, obviously - but as a precedent, I did find it a wee bit disturbing at the time.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 8:32:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By Reloading:
So they say it is for aliens and non-citizens.


And so it is.



To be fair, the attempt to apply "enemy combatant" to U.S. citizen Jose Padilla does kind of fly in the face of that logic.





Not that I agree in any way with the hysteria of the original poster - I'm just pointing out a technicality. Before the Padilla case, everyone said "oh don't worry, it just applies to those damn foreigners", and then suddenly a U.S. citizen, who was not picked up on the battlefield was declared an "enemy combatant"

By itself not a big deal, obviously - but as a precedent, I did find it a wee bit disturbing at the time.


Excellent point.

It only takes one precident.

I could easially see the states deemed a "battlefield" (It's a "global" WOT) and,
any armed citizen the .gov didn't like as a "combatant".

I, too, am not agreeing with the initial poster......I guess I'm just not
the sort that trusts the "Don't worry, this won't apply to YOU!" line.

But that's just my oinion.
Link Posted: 10/29/2006 8:33:13 PM EST
I'm so fucking tired of people exaggerating that act. GWB is not going to round up people. You still have all the rights you did on Oct. 16. The bill explicitly states that a U.S. citizen does not fit the definition of an unlawful combatant. All it did was re-affirm what the Geneva convention already says; that combatants who obscure their identity as combatants and not civillians, who hide amongst the civillian population, who do not have any uniform, insignia, or whatever to identify themselves as combatants and not civillans, do not have the protection of members of forces that do. Its about charging terrorists as terrorists, and not legitimate prisoners of war, plain and simple.
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