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Posted: 1/23/2006 6:33:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:14:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 7:21:39 PM EDT by WildBoar]
Edited, becuase even though OldGuy is a self admitted antichristan and christian hater, I will look at the article tomorrow despite my earlier reservations about an article I have not yet read.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:56:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 11:09:17 PM EDT by grommet]
This guy's basic point is that America is full of Christians who are really lousy at being Christians. As if Americans were somehow fundamentally different than people in other lands.

If America is so crappy for the poor, why are so many poor people from other countries trying to get here and stay here?

"The gospel is too radical for any culture larger than the Amish to ever come close to realizing"

So basically Jesus blew it by giving us a set of teachings that hardly anyone could follow. Apparently he is such a poor judge of human character that he completely missed the mark with what he taught.

Complete hogwash.

This author sets himself up as a judge of Christ and Christendom, denouncing the Lord's work in setting up this land of freedom in which Christianity has flourished like in no other land.

Well, he may be right that a lot of us don't follow Christ as well as we could. But it would be nice if he gave Christ a little more credit for knowing what he was doing.

-grommet

ETA: I read more from the same author - pretty much an America hating socialist. No big surprise there. Has no idea that the Lord knows exactly how much food we're going to need and has already made arrangements for it. Now I know where the "radical reordering of power relationships" came from in the article above. They all say it's about love - but what they really want is to bring it all down, man. Watch these fools, they'll bring in a Castro before you know it.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:50:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By grommet:

If America is so crappy for the poor, why are so many poor people from other countries trying to get here and stay here?



And America has redefined what it means to be "poor."

In other parts of the world, poor means sunken eyes and distended bellies from malnutrition,

In America we have obese poor.

In other parts of the world, poor means having a corrugated tin roof over your dirt walls, if you're lucky.

In America, poor means having air conditioning and cable TV.

In other parts of the world poor means having to walk because you can't afford a burro.

In America, poor means everything from not having to walk because of government subsidized public transportation systems to having a nice car in your driveway.

Yep, we can see how terrible the poor have it in America. Cell phones, satellite TV, and a refrigerator full of food.


"The gospel is too radical for any culture larger than the Amish to ever come close to realizing"


Spoken as one who doesn't have a clue as to the real message and purpose of the Gospel.


This author sets himself up as a judge of Christ and Christendom, denouncing the Lord's work in setting up this land of freedom in which Christianity has flourished like in no other land.


Proving that having an opinion and knowing what he is talking about are two totally different things.


ETA: I read more from the same author - pretty much an America hating socialist.


Socialists have no room to throw stones, since they live in the biggest glass house. Socialism and communism differ little.

The 20th century showed this system to be an abject failure.

Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:12:43 AM EDT
I thought he had some good points, though I think George Barna has made them better.

I don't believe churches do enough for the poor. I think we've delegated that to the govt. which (as usual) does a pretty crappy job of helping those who really need it and distinguishing them from the lazy.

I don't believe many Christians have the heart Christ wants us to. I think many of our churches are focused on making us happy rather than teaching us to do the right thing. But that shouldn't be a surprise to Christians. Jesus told us the way was narrow and that few would find it.

I do think he is just as one-sided about the Gospel message as those he criticizes. I wonder about his basis for saying that America is the "least Christian in its behavior." While we are far from a Christian nation, I don't see another country that is doing better and he doesn't mention one.

I know for instance, that the truly hungry in my county would be SOL if it wasn't for the interfaith food pantry (half the volunteers are from my congregation). I know that a recent crime victim has received considerable emotional, financial and practical support from my congregation. I know that when our van broke down and my wife couldn't get to work, it was a Christian who offered us their new car to drive while they drove their old beater. I know that our church gives 20% of its budget to other organizations that we believe are helping to really change lives.

True discipleship is challenging and difficult. Jesus said that to follow Him means to take up our cross. Is it surprising that few will actually do it?
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:41:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Edited, becuase even though OldGuy is a self admitted antichristan and christian hater, I will look at the article tomorrow despite my earlier reservations about an article I have not yet read.



You forgot to mention that I am also a bigot, I remember well that IM I received from you.

Yes, I am Anti Christian or Anti Christ if you prefer, as shocking as that may sound, I do not see how a Jew can be anything else.

I can easily see how you would consider me a Christian hater and I can live with that.

Question is, can you?



Link Posted: 1/24/2006 8:28:12 AM EDT


Eric The(That'sAllFolks)Hun
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 10:59:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 11:00:05 AM EDT by dolanp]

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Edited, becuase even though OldGuy is a self admitted antichristan and christian hater, I will look at the article tomorrow despite my earlier reservations about an article I have not yet read.



You forgot to mention that I am also a bigot, I remember well that IM I received from you.

Yes, I am Anti Christian or Anti Christ if you prefer, as shocking as that may sound, I do not see how a Jew can be anything else.

I can easily see how you would consider me a Christian hater and I can live with that.

Question is, can you?






Guess that makes WildBoar an anti-Semite??
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:00:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 2:04:09 PM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Edited, becuase even though OldGuy is a self admitted antichristan and christian hater, I will look at the article tomorrow despite my earlier reservations about an article I have not yet read.



You forgot to mention that I am also a bigot, I remember well that IM I received from you.

Yes, I am Anti Christian or Anti Christ if you prefer, as shocking as that may sound, I do not see how a Jew can be anything else.

I can easily see how you would consider me a Christian hater and I can live with that.

Question is, can you?






I should have refrained in order to not let this post get out of hand. But yes you are by the definition a bigot. Imagine if someone operated just like you but against your beliefs. What is someone OLY posted things that were antisemetic or only took part in topics that slammed the Jews. I think we all know that pertson would be rightfully ostracized and eventually banned. Enjoy your special protection. Its good to more equal than others huh.

Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:03:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 2:11:03 PM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By dolanp:

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Edited, becuase even though OldGuy is a self admitted antichristan and christian hater, I will look at the article tomorrow despite my earlier reservations about an article I have not yet read.



You forgot to mention that I am also a bigot, I remember well that IM I received from you.

Yes, I am Anti Christian or Anti Christ if you prefer, as shocking as that may sound, I do not see how a Jew can be anything else.

I can easily see how you would consider me a Christian hater and I can live with that.

Question is, can you?






Guess that makes WildBoar an anti-Semite??



Not hardly. My posts do not revolve around slamming the Jewish faith. His revolve entirely around slamming Christianity. I do not see a difference between that and someone who would do that same against the Jews or any other faith. Some folks are just like that. I guess its like watching some here slam the Catholics all the time, or others slam the LDS. Imagine if a NAzi came out and said "as a Nazi how can one be anythign but an antisemite" For folks to justify any such behavior from any side disgusting. This was a good forum to come and learn of others faiths but some prefer to use it as a tool to tear down and slam faiths they dont like. I have seen plenty of it from the AntiCatholics, the Anti LDS, the AntiChristians, Antisemites (yes Some Chrisians here seem to like to get on the Jews about their faith)and the antireligious in general.

Basically people suck as a whole. No wonder folks stay away from all forms of religion.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:03:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 0ldGuy:

Originally Posted By WildBoar:
Edited, becuase even though OldGuy is a self admitted antichristan and christian hater, I will look at the article tomorrow despite my earlier reservations about an article I have not yet read.



You forgot to mention that I am also a bigot, I remember well that IM I received from you.

Yes, I am Anti Christian or Anti Christ if you prefer, as shocking as that may sound, I do not see how a Jew can be anything else.

I can easily see how you would consider me a Christian hater and I can live with that.

Question is, can you?






Well, at least you're being a straight shooter about it. That's better than some people on the forum.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:09:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 5:09:39 PM EDT by VA-gunnut]
I think you can figure it out.
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