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Posted: 7/25/2015 12:01:49 PM EDT
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Shot me a deer from kneeling in the open with my guide gun and iron sights at 100 yards.

Fun gun.

Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:05:47 PM EDT
Beautiful rifles...
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:06:42 PM EDT
Awesome as always
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:08:26 PM EDT
What's the best powder for this caliber?
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:12:44 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:13:29 PM EDT
Very cool pics!
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:13:48 PM EDT
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My old man had one of those Italian falling block 45/70's when I was growing up.  Octagon barrel all the way out, and the trigger guard lowered the block.  Pretty accurate.  I killed a bobcat from about 5 yards with one.  No taxidermy man could fix that mess .

I've shot a guide gun several times.  The early ones had porting.  It eased the recoil, but the blast was horrific.  Recoil is just brutal in the regular models.  The buckhorn rear sight plain sucks.  A better solution is the rear mounted peep or ghost sight.  Fast and much more accurate.  

There's just something about those big long buffalo guns.  Sore shoulders are the norm, but sending a big ass hunk of metal waaaayyyy out there puts a grin on my face every time.  
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:15:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Tomtbo:
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Good question!

And answered too
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:17:17 PM EDT
How about button bullets?  Very light.  And just a bit of Trail Boss for the ultimate light load.
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:18:14 PM EDT
That Pedersoli....I want!
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:18:57 PM EDT
I love the Marlin 45-70, very fun to shoot.
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:19:57 PM EDT
Even though that 45-70 is a repro, it is gorgeous.

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Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:23:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 12:28:50 PM EDT
I've wanted a 45-70 since I was a kid.  Going to have to break down soon.
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Great write-up OP! I've had the urge to buy or build a 45-70 for a while now. I bought a No.4 Enfield with the hopes of finding a gunsmith to convert it, like the Gibbs conversion, but no luck...
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Oops!
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Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


There is just something about launching a big 500 grain chunk of lead that is a lot of fun.

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I've wanted a 45-70 since I was a kid.  Going to have to break down soon.


There is just something about launching a big 500 grain chunk of lead that is a lot of fun.



I remember reading an article in the mid or late 80s where the author described that he as a kid owned a single shot 4570 of some kind.  He would invert. 22 blanks into a hollowed/drilled cavity and shoot them into  rocky cliff.  I don't recall all of the details but it just sounded so cool.
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 1:09:50 PM EDT
Did you try any IMR Trail Boss?
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45-70's are a hoot ! I had a Pedersoli Sharps and still have a plain-vanilla 1895 Marlin that goes into the woods with me from time to time. Hornady's Leverloution 325gr are quite accurate .
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 2:49:01 PM EDT
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"Best" as in most accurate?  Believe it or not, probably black powder.  Black powder has a very tight standard deviation and in long range shooting will often out-shoot smokeless powder.

Of course, I don't like to shoot black powder as it is messy and a pain to clean up.  I have had very good accuracy with Accurate Arms 2495 in my .45-70 rifles.  IMR 3031 is also a good powder in this caliber.

In all honesty, the .45-70 is a very easy caliber to load and is very "forgiving" in regards to the brand of powder used.

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Originally Posted By Tomtbo:
What's the best powder for this caliber?


"Best" as in most accurate?  Believe it or not, probably black powder.  Black powder has a very tight standard deviation and in long range shooting will often out-shoot smokeless powder.

Of course, I don't like to shoot black powder as it is messy and a pain to clean up.  I have had very good accuracy with Accurate Arms 2495 in my .45-70 rifles.  IMR 3031 is also a good powder in this caliber.

In all honesty, the .45-70 is a very easy caliber to load and is very "forgiving" in regards to the brand of powder used.


My favorite load for my Henry is .405 gr hard cast bullets, Win brass, Win lg rifle primers ...stuffed with 49.5  grs. Varget. kicks like the dickens....but fun to shoot. Still working on a load for my "Quigley" Sharps '74
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 3:09:36 PM EDT
The reason for the ring lever is recoil management on your hand.  The traditional "racetrack" pattern will beat your fingers to death if you are putting a lot of rounds downrange.

Great writeup as usual!
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 3:12:59 PM EDT
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In my Sharps, I like that 515 grain bullet shown over a warm load of AA-2495.  It shoots right where I aim it.

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enabler .......Now I need to order some heavy bullets and some AA-2495 to try out
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 5:33:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 5:39:07 PM EDT
awesome write-up and beautiful rifles.  thanks, OP!
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 5:45:25 PM EDT
That Navy Arms one is really cool.



I recently acquired a Springfield 1884.  My grandfather and some of his friends and brothers went in on a surplus case of them in the 50s.  Still have to find or make some light loads for it and shoot it.
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 5:47:04 PM EDT
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OP is the best OP!

This only serves to increase my desire for a .45-70.  That new 1895 GSBL is looking mighty nice...
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 5:58:17 PM EDT
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These aren't necessarily 'the best' but I've found these powders to be very useful in the 45-70.

Low velocity/low recoil cast bullet loads-Unique.

Mid-range cast bullet loads-AA5744.

Heavy loads with cast and jacketed bullets-RL 7.

And, of course, the Holy Black for S&G now and then.





Link Posted: 7/25/2015 6:30:06 PM EDT
Nice review.
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A friend of mine had a 45-70 .  guess he still does .   He had a remington action that he had a new barrel installed .   I think it was a remington .

It was an experience to shoot .   Not punishing but the rainbow trajectory was crazy  when compared to modern high power.

I have no idea what loads we shot .

gd
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:03:18 PM EDT
Great post.

Always awesome!
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:20:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:24:13 PM EDT
This book was full of information on reloading for the Springfield Trapdoor.
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:27:36 PM EDT
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Yes, the heavy, relatively slow bullets can have quite an arc.  But it can also have a very low standard deviation in the velocity and the results are bullets striking the target very close together.

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A friend of mine had a 45-70 .  guess he still does .   He had a remington action that he had a new barrel installed .   I think it was a remington .

It was an experience to shoot .   Not punishing but the rainbow trajectory was crazy  when compared to modern high power.

I have no idea what loads we shot .

gd


Yes, the heavy, relatively slow bullets can have quite an arc.  But it can also have a very low standard deviation in the velocity and the results are bullets striking the target very close together.




It's a hoot shooting the 45-70 at long range...fire the shot, move over to the spotting scope, pick up the bullet mid-range and talk it into the target, and wait for the smack of the hit.

Spotter? I doan need no stinkin' spotter!

Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:28:05 PM EDT
I've got an original Trapdoor Springfield that's a lot of fun!
My Marlin 336 Cowboy in 38-55 has all the big bore fun with not as much shoulder pain!
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:29:51 PM EDT
My wallet hates you O_P but I still think you're OK
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:33:09 PM EDT
I have two 45-70's

One is a 1873 trapdoor Ive had since I was a kid. The other one is one of the early 'ported' stainless guide guns.  Hunting with it sucks as you need to stop and put in hearing protection before you shoot. Otherwise you think your ears are bleeding.... literally.  Made that mistake once hunting with a buddy...WONT do that again!
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:39:02 PM EDT
I haven't tried a lot of powders when reloading for my 45/70 but Varget has been the most accurate with the Remington 405 grain JSP's that I shoot. Anybody else try Varget ?
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 7:55:03 PM EDT
Great post as always!


Beautiful Rifles!

I have a guide gun in 45-70, which I love and is stupendously accurate, I dream of building a Remington Rolling block (  the Rifle the the Italians copied) in 45-70.

One Day......
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 8:03:18 PM EDT
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O_P, shooting my Sharps with black powder is always exceedingly easy to clean up.

I keep a little tub with some patches soaked in rubbing alcohol, and when I'm done shooting, I run one or two of those followed by a couple dry patches and BAM! CLEAN!

When I get home, I'll run a patch with some Bore Butter and it's good until the next session.

Leading is a little tougher to get out, but it seems to be pretty light in my rifle. The black powder residue comes right out with the wet patch, though. I can see how it may be a PITA in a rifle that is more difficult to get to the bore in, tho.
Link Posted: 7/25/2015 8:17:36 PM EDT
Very cool.

Reminds me that I will soon inherit a 45-70. The circumstances are less than happy, but that's the way it goes sometimes.
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