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Posted: 3/1/2019 7:58:00 PM EDT
lol

The automotive website Edmunds says the average transaction price for a new vehicle, what consumers actually paid dealers, in December hit an all-time high of $37,260, an increase of $6,598 from December 2010. As a result of the higher prices, the average new vehicle auto loan in the fourth quarter climbed more than $600 to $31,722, according to Experian.

Not only are consumers borrowing more to pay for a new vehicle, they are also making higher monthly loan payments. Experian says the average monthly payment for a new vehicle hit a record high of $545, up $30 from a year earlier. That increase is driving up interest in used vehicles, which sell at a far lower price and typically carry a lower monthly payment.
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Link Posted: 3/1/2019 7:59:20 PM EDT
[#1]
Not me.
I pay cash, have a 12” penis. Debt free and have a supermodel girlfriend.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:01:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:01:59 PM EDT
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I pay cash, have a 12” penis. Debt free and have a supermodel girlfriend.
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Same. Well maybe 11.5"
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:02:55 PM EDT
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I guess those $70k heavy duty trucks are about $1k a month?
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:03:26 PM EDT
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Used F150 is under $400 a month. Don't give a shit.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:04:48 PM EDT
[#6]
If you have car payments, you're doing it wrong.
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Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:05:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:05:50 PM EDT
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I was happy with a $545 monthly payment for my 2019 Audi R8.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:06:09 PM EDT
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I'm finally above average
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Woohoo. But I didn't want a longer term, get that shit paid off ASAP, no payment is better.

ETA and I thought my F150 was expensive, below average dealer transaction LOL
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:06:44 PM EDT
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I pay cash, have a 12” penis. Debt free and have a supermodel girlfriend.
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So not having a $545 car payment means you’re full of shit?
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:08:19 PM EDT
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If you have car payments, you're doing it wrong.
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There are legitimate reasons to take on car payments. Those reasons occur pretty sparingly though.

I expect I will use car loans in retirement. Gambling low interest rate loans against market performance of assets and avoiding higher withdrawals that raise my tax bracket.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:09:18 PM EDT
[#12]
For how many months?
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:11:14 PM EDT
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That’s half of what I pay.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:11:52 PM EDT
[#14]
I bought a used truck and couldn't be happier without a monthly payment.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:12:10 PM EDT
[#15]
I miss manual windows and trucks you could rinse out with a hose.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:12:18 PM EDT
[#16]
Screw buying a brand new car. It's idiocy unless you have a big stash of cash and nothing to waste it on.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:12:31 PM EDT
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Average purchase price: $37,260

Average auto loan: $31,722

Assuming cash buyers aren't factored into the "loan" average, people are putting $5500+ down on average.  I'm skeptical.

Maybe those rolling over massive negative equity help balance things out.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:13:16 PM EDT
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I bought my first vehicle new in 1979. It was. CJ-5 and I ordered it to my taste. I was 22 yrs old. My parent went with me to pick it up from dealership. Didn't dawn on me the new vehicle sticker was on window. My dad commented I paid more for that jeep than they paid for the house and small acreage they lived on at the time.
That Jeep was a whopping $9,800.00. My insurance payment per month was almost as much as the Jeep loan. Man have times changed.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:13:33 PM EDT
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gross
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:14:37 PM EDT
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There are legitimate reasons to take on car payments. Those reasons occur pretty sparingly though.

I expect I will use car loans in retirement. Gambling low interest rate loans against market performance of assets and avoiding higher withdrawals that raise my tax bracket.
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If you have car payments, you're doing it wrong.
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There are legitimate reasons to take on car payments. Those reasons occur pretty sparingly though.

I expect I will use car loans in retirement. Gambling low interest rate loans against market performance of assets and avoiding higher withdrawals that raise my tax bracket.
84 months when you're 84 years old is a pretty good gamble.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:16:14 PM EDT
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725 a month. 3 year loan, 0% interest. Its expensive. (2018 Tacoma TRD offroad 4x4)
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:17:39 PM EDT
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I used to have sports cars as a teen but now that I'm older I don't care.  As long as they get me from a to b.  My fat bank account is my status symbol.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:17:41 PM EDT
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I pay cash, have a 12” penis. Debt free and have a supermodel girlfriend.
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Ha!
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:17:44 PM EDT
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Barring a lottery win, I will live my life having never owned a New Vehicle. And at this point, retiring next year, I will never again have a car payment.

Cash for lightly used cars.

The newest car I have ever bought was 17 months old.

Guess I'm poor.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:18:38 PM EDT
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According to the inflation calculator over at www.saving.org, $37,260 today is the equivalent of $32,027 in 2010.

That means inflation accounted for $5,233 of the $6,598 increase between 2010 and today.

Adjusted for inflation, the cost of a new car has gone up $1,365 (In 2010 dollars.)

The actual cost of a car didn't go up that much, but the average equipment packaged into one got a lot better.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:19:42 PM EDT
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I pay cash, have a 12” penis. Debt free and have a supermodel girlfriend.
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I’m Irish.  Ever hear of the Irish Inch?
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:20:24 PM EDT
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Some are saying that this will be the next financial crisis...
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:20:38 PM EDT
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I bought my first vehicle new in 1979. It was. CJ-5 and I ordered it to my taste. I was 22 yrs old. My parent went with me to pick it up from dealership. Didn't dawn on me the new vehicle sticker was on window. My dad commented I paid more for that jeep than they paid for the house and small acreage they lived on at the time.
That Jeep was a whopping $9,800.00. My insurance payment per month was almost as much as the Jeep loan. Man have times changed.
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The inflation calculator I used shows that $9800 then is equivalent to $34,000 now.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:22:19 PM EDT
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I was happy with a $545 monthly payment for my 2019 Audi R8.
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Go away rich person.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:23:21 PM EDT
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Barring a lottery win, I will live my life having never owned a New Vehicle. And at this point, retiring next year, I will never again have a car payment.

Cash for lightly used cars.

The newest car I have ever bought was 17 months old.

Guess I'm poor.
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My newest car (at the time of purchase) was 11 years old . Its 16 years old now and still going. I'd like a newer one and was considering a new WRX but a used one is quite a bit cheaper. Being part Dutch...you can't argue with cheaper
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:23:58 PM EDT
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For how many months?
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This. I wouldn’t think twice at spending $600/month for a good, quality vehicle if it was 36 months at a decent interest rate.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:24:06 PM EDT
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Not me.
I pay cash, have a 12” penis. Debt free and have a supermodel girlfriend.
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Only one girlfriend?  That sucks.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:24:12 PM EDT
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Most expensive vehicle I ever bought was $15K

I have always had reliable vehicles that have never let me down. People who buy new cars and make payments = stupid IMO

My winter beater I have been driving daily since October and have had for 3 years cost me $1900 and I have put less than $1k into it in small repairs and that includes a new set of tires. I rest my case.
Insurance is cheap. If I scratch it.. don't care. If I wreck it into a ditch... no big deal.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:24:57 PM EDT
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The largest payment I ever had was 225/mth
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:25:03 PM EDT
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My car payment has been $0.00/month for the last 7 or 8 years.

My kids have college funds(hopefully they go)
My 401k is more kick ass than people 20 years older than me(I’m 40)
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:25:17 PM EDT
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84 months when you're 84 years old is a pretty good gamble.
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You might be on to something.  I sense a Lamborghini in the future.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:28:31 PM EDT
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Nowadays I cant bring myself to go above 200. It actually gives me anxiety thinking about a payment more than about that.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:29:34 PM EDT
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lol

The automotive website Edmunds says the average transaction price for a new vehicle, what consumers actually paid dealers, in December hit an all-time high of $37,260, an increase of $6,598 from December 2010. As a result of the higher prices, the average new vehicle auto loan in the fourth quarter climbed more than $600 to $31,722, according to Experian.

Not only are consumers borrowing more to pay for a new vehicle, they are also making higher monthly loan payments. Experian says the average monthly payment for a new vehicle hit a record high of $545, up $30 from a year earlier. That increase is driving up interest in used vehicles, which sell at a far lower price and typically carry a lower monthly payment.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/27/auto-loan-delinquencies-rise-as-cost-of-monthly-payments-hit-record.html
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These dumbasses deserve every last bit of financial slavery and all the stress that comes with it.

I believe the article too.  "Go be poor somewhere elses" has become the battle cry for the financially incompetent.

All hat, no cattle.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:31:03 PM EDT
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I guess those $70k heavy duty trucks are about $1k a month?
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The trucks are cheap in comparison to the equipment payments. But most of my trucks are paid for within a few months of purchase. Some of my equipment loan bundles are in the hundreds of thousands and do take a while to pay off.

Wife’s suburban was paid for in cash.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:32:14 PM EDT
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I guess those $70k heavy duty trucks are about $1k a month?
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Mines 380$ a month for 5 years. Depends on how poor you are, I suppose.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:32:25 PM EDT
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If you have car payments, you're doing it wrong.
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Ehh not necessarily. Yea if your payment is $550/month.

But

Last vehicle purchase I put down $15,000 and financed $10,000 of it, could have paid it all cash. It was for 5 years and I paid in 3. Total interest was like $500. I thought it was  worth $500 to get to keep the $10,000.

Now if you have a 0% loan it make the argument for payments even stronger.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:33:09 PM EDT
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How much of that increase in cost is government?

CAFE, NHTSB, EPA etc..

Cars are about 75% government mandate these days.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:34:32 PM EDT
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I try to keep my payment under 1K/month. I do pay them off as quickly as possible
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:35:06 PM EDT
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Mine is 280 a month - 2016 Tundra
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:35:34 PM EDT
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Is that all?
Mine was about $1,000 a month, had it on a 36 month loan, it's been paid off for over two years now.
I had the money to pay cash for it, a new truck, didn't want to turn down a no interest 36 month loan.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:36:20 PM EDT
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I witness this shitshow on a daily basis.

Lakisha comes in to upgrade to  a new small to mid size SUV cause she has 2 kids now and hubby and mother doesnt fit in a small sedan.

Lakisha works at a retail store as a cashier and makes 10.50 an hour. She doesnt have any money down and doesnt want payment to be more than 500 a month for a $35000 car (lmao) and 14000 upside down.

After a long day and 95% of banks rejecting her loan we finally get her approval at 12% besides shitty credit and her mother as a co signer. Her payment are $995.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:37:35 PM EDT
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I hate knowing that buying a new vehicle is one of the worst things I can do with money I earn.

But, dang, i sure do enjoy my truck.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:39:08 PM EDT
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I have one- 2014 Silverado w/t. I paid 13 grand for it last year.
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:39:15 PM EDT
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I'm confused though because candy bars and just about everything else costs multiple times what it used to as well. So are folks borrowing more money or is the money that they are borrowing worth less necessitating more of it?
Link Posted: 3/1/2019 8:42:28 PM EDT
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I witness this shitshow on a daily basis.

Lakisha comes in to upgrade to  a new small to mid size SUV cause she has 2 kids now and hubby and mother doesnt fit in a small sedan.

Lakisha works at a retail store as a cashier and makes 10.50 an hour. She doesnt have any money down and doesnt want payment to be more than 500 a month for a $35000 car (lmao) and 14000 upside down.

After a long day and 95% of banks rejecting her loan we finally get her approval at 12% besides shitty credit and her mother as a co signer. Her payment are $995.
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Holy shit I hope you're joking.  Looks like some people didn't mind slavery afterall

(financial slavery, don't report me to the pc police)
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