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Posted: 6/13/2009 5:46:18 PM EST
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:47:43 PM EST
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss


I vote we keep all of Texas and give all of California to them instead.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:49:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By Abearir:
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss


I vote we keep all of Texas and give all of California to them instead.


Nah. They can have the people who ruined Cali, though.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:49:08 PM EST
What is wrong with you?

Relatives in my family died fighting for that border when it was established. My Dad found this out in researching our family tree last year.

I'm ready to die for it right now.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:49:39 PM EST
Originally Posted By Abearir:
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss


I vote we keep all of Texas and give all of California to them instead.


Yeah, but San Diego is worth keeping. Is Brownsville or Del Rio?

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:51:13 PM EST
I volenteer to give them detroit, flint and toledo. Lets see their drug cartels survive some of our worst inner cities
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:51:18 PM EST
mexico can suck it
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:52:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss


You had me ready to lock and load here, not cool.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:52:29 PM EST
The idea is ludicrous.

It would only push the immigration pressures north.

What we need to do is push Mexico's economy further along, reverse the migration pressures, the jointly shut down their southern border.

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:53:43 PM EST
Viva Texico. Ees like uh whole nother pais and stuff, main.

La Yeehaw!
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:53:57 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 5:54:33 PM EST by NoVaGator]
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
The idea is ludicrous.

It would only push the immigration pressures north.

What we need to do is push Mexico's economy further along, reverse the migration pressures, the jointly shut down their southern border.

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


yeah, I know

don't get wrapped up in the minutiae.

focus on the bigger question



Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:54:32 PM EST
The only border you have is the one that you are able to/have the resolve to defend.

Our gov't lost the resolve to defend our border 30 years ago.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:55:25 PM EST
well, there probably are ways to defend the border better than what we hear about, and it sure as hell is possible, we can defend the border, (both of them) and actually follow rules and get the illegals out, reduce them and the desire and you have less people to demand the territory be given up, and what's worse, even if some of Texas and New Mexico become Mexico, they will still move into the U.S...no more welfare in the Mexican domain.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:56:11 PM EST
we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

There is no such thing as a worthless portion of Texas or Arizona.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:56:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


^This.

Imagine the long term effects of Mexico becoming the 51st state.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:57:29 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 5:58:59 PM EST by R_Flagg_77]
But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss



I wouldn't say the borders are gonna remain static forever, no. No nation will ever stand the sands of time; if you think I'm full of shit then talk to a citizen of the Roman Empire, an Aztec warrior, and a Communist Party official from the USSR. Sooner or later what we know as the United States will be cut up and replaced with another country or ten or five or possibly 30.

Ideals are worth fighting for, land that will be lost in time is not.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:58:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
The idea is ludicrous.

It would only push the immigration pressures north.

What we need to do is push Mexico's economy further along, reverse the migration pressures, the jointly shut down their southern border.

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


Mexico needs to fix their own problems on their own dime. "We" don't need to do anything, Mexico does.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:58:56 PM EST
WE should annex mexico, and canada.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:59:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 6/13/2009 6:00:39 PM EST by GlutealCleft]
Originally Posted By JacobsandApples:
What is wrong with you?

Relatives in my family died fighting for that border when it was established. My Dad found this out in researching our family tree last year.

I'm ready to die for it right now.


If you feel that way about it, you need to do something, or you're going to wake up one day and have to start showing your passport to Mexican officials. You're already what, 36% latino, and growing? Mexico can't take it back by force, so they're taking it back by stealth.

I hear that in a recent poll about immigration, only 25% of Texans said that it was a problem, 7% didn't care, and 67% said "No, la inmigracion no es problema para mi."
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 5:59:26 PM EST
Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:03:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


^This.

Imagine the long term effects of Mexico becoming the 51st state.


As long as La Zona Rosas are still legal
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:03:17 PM EST
Originally Posted By machinisttx:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
The idea is ludicrous.

It would only push the immigration pressures north.

What we need to do is push Mexico's economy further along, reverse the migration pressures, the jointly shut down their southern border.

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


Mexico needs to fix their own problems on their own dime. "We" don't need to do anything, Mexico does.


We have pressing national interests in a stable and prosperous neighbor to our south. Their problems become our problems - Pancho Villa was a byproduct of a Mexican Covil War spilling over onto our land, just as the current illegal immigration is a byproduct of their economy and corrupt law enforcement.

For all the bitching done here, we aint seen nothing compared to what would happen if a leftist turnover similar to what happened in Venezuela were to happen in Mexico.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:03:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bad_Bob:
mexico can suck it


Donkey show?

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:07:43 PM EST
Mexico becoming the newest state would be a watershed moment for the USA... perhaps surpassing that of The Louisiana Purchase.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:10:02 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo:
Mexico becoming the newest state would be a watershed moment for the USA... perhaps surpassing that of The Louisiana Purchase.


I wouldn't see it happening all at once - save for a complete collapse and response from us.

I could see financial motivation, as northern Mexican states decide they would be better off as southern US states.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:12:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By cougargnw:
I volenteer to give them detroit, flint and toledo. Lets see their drug cartels survive some of our worst inner cities



NO THEY CANT HAVE DETROIT!

If we dont have the murder capital, then what does Michigan have?

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:13:18 PM EST

I believe Texans had something to say to Mexico one of the last times they came back asking for something:



-p.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:13:58 PM EST
Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


^This.

Imagine the long term effects of Mexico becoming the 51st state.



Dude that is a fucking genius idea. We could pretty much eliminate 95% of all the illegals in this country.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:14:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss


Just give them the part of Virginia that you live in, it is worthless.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:15:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By PhuzzyGnu:

I believe Texans had something to say to Mexico one of the last times they came back asking for something:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y109/phuzzygnu/Gonzales.jpg

-p.




Yeah but how funny is it now that they actually have?

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:22:34 PM EST



Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:29:25 PM EST
Here I sit... butt-cheeks a flexin'.

Just gave birth... to another Texan.


(Learned this one here on AR15.com I'm proud to say )

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:30:26 PM EST
Fuck mexico. Most of their people are already here , so I think we should go down there and proclaim "All your agave plants are belong to us" , and have us another big chunk of land. Maybe then all the American money that gets sent down there can finally be taxed instead of just spending OUR tax money on those fuckers. I doubt it would really happen that way though.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:37:14 PM EST
Originally Posted By JacobsandApples:
What is wrong with you?

Relatives in my family died fighting for that border when it was established. My Dad found this out in researching our family tree last year.

I'm ready to die for it right now.



I am not from Texas, but I will crush someone's skull with a fucking rock before they can GIVE 14 TEXAS COUNTIES TO MEXICO.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:37:23 PM EST
Bayonet charge all the illegals back to Mexico then build a wall.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:49:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By john575:
Bayonet charge all the illegals back to Mexico then build a financial wall by enlisting policies which make it impossible for them to find employment.


Link Posted: 6/13/2009 6:52:03 PM EST
Go to southern Texas sometime. A hell of a lot more than 14 counties already belong to Mexico. Whites are a tiny minority in many places. People that were born and raised here speak broken English and some barely any English at all.

Alas, life goes on.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:16:53 PM EST
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss


Its only worthless because of all the Mexican's being all over it. How bout we push back.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:21:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


^This.

Imagine the long term effects of Mexico becoming the 51st state.



Dude that is a fucking genius idea. We could pretty much eliminate 95% of all the illegals in this country.


That's a STUPID idea. Look at the country as it currently is, and think of the costs in welfare and fraud.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:21:46 PM EST
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss


Whoa dude. My reaction is not one inch gets seceded. NOT ONE INCH>
Besides, we already paid for our southern Arizona border - Gadsden Purchase, I believe.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:23:34 PM EST
Gee, that's really easy to say from your home thousands of miles away from the Mexican border.

Hell yes it's unreasonable to be OK with mexico annexing part of our country.

There might be a lot of mexicans and hispanics concentrated in cities and counties along the border, but it's still U.S. soil, where U.S. laws apply.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:23:37 PM EST
the most entertaining part is that americans are pretty juvenile in the idea that our country will go on forever as it was created, when no other country or land has ever done so in the history of mankind.

we are arrogant in that thought at the least.

I do love my country, but I am under no illusion that this country will stand for all time as we know it.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:24:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By jbombelli:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


^This.

Imagine the long term effects of Mexico becoming the 51st state.



Dude that is a fucking genius idea. We could pretty much eliminate 95% of all the illegals in this country.


That's a STUPID idea. Look at the country as it currently is, and think of the costs in welfare and fraud.



Yeah but we wouldnt have a problem with illegal immigrants anymore.

Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:24:26 PM EST
Nah, lets fuckin take over Mexico. Yeah, that sounds much better.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:25:21 PM EST
Originally Posted By wdlsguy:
we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

There is no such thing as a worthless portion of Texas or Arizona.


Only to people who have never been here. Just as well they haven't, though. The fewer people moving here the better.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:26:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By NoVaGator:
Ok, not really

But is it reasonable to expect a nation's borders to remain static forever?

I mean, it's never happened in the history of humanity......

Should we really care if a worthless portion of of Texas or Arizona reverts to Mexico?

Discuss


I was just thinking about this, but the opposite. Will PR or Guam ever become a state?
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:27:43 PM EST
why in the hell would we want to cede US territory to Mexico?

we should take over Mexican territory
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:28:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By machinisttx:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
The idea is ludicrous.

It would only push the immigration pressures north.

What we need to do is push Mexico's economy further along, reverse the migration pressures, the jointly shut down their southern border.

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


Mexico needs to fix their own problems on their own dime. "We" don't need to do anything, Mexico does.


We have pressing national interests in a stable and prosperous neighbor to our south. Their problems become our problems - Pancho Villa was a byproduct of a Mexican Covil War spilling over onto our land, just as the current illegal immigration is a byproduct of their economy and corrupt law enforcement.

For all the bitching done here, we aint seen nothing compared to what would happen if a leftist turnover similar to what happened in Venezuela were to happen in Mexico.


Mexican government and Mexican law enforcement are corrupt because the Mexican populace is corrupt. American taxpayers shouldn't be footing the bill for ANY country other than their own.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:28:33 PM EST
Originally Posted By JacobsandApples:
Originally Posted By john575:
Bayonet charge all the illegals back to Mexico then build a financial wall by enlisting policies which make it impossible for them to find employment.





You claim that you're "ready to die for this country", yet you're OK with installing new laws and new requirements and regulations that give the government more say and more control over Americans lives?
Why not eliminate welfare and social services ENTIRELY, and strengthen the border to include a border-long fence and/or wall?
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:30:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By USGI_45:
Originally Posted By jbombelli:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:

Mexico is more likely to cede further territory to the US, then take ours.


^This.

Imagine the long term effects of Mexico becoming the 51st state.



Dude that is a fucking genius idea. We could pretty much eliminate 95% of all the illegals in this country.


That's a STUPID idea. Look at the country as it currently is, and think of the costs in welfare and fraud.



Yeah but we wouldnt have a problem with illegal immigrants anymore.



I know you're being facetious, but just in case you're not, think about what that would do for representation in the U.S. Congress. Do you really want to secure the leftists hold on the federal government?

Because annexing mexico and giving them tax dollars, representation, and influence in OUR country would be suicide.
Link Posted: 6/13/2009 7:33:17 PM EST
Texas would be its own country before some counties became part of mexico.
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